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Space Kookie wrote...

Catreina-JTV wrote...

phyreblade74 wrote...

777crowe777 wrote...

Quick question for all you peeps, if Shepard was indoctrinated then why didn't the prothean VI recognize it when he accessed it on Thessia? Only when KL showed up did the VI say something was up?

What about Javik's ability to sense... wouldnt he have noticed it or at least had suspicions?

just ideas didnt read whole thread to see if someone brought this up?.... also maybe this was the exact reaction BW wanted... everyone making their own assumptions???? Right?

I don't understand why this is such a persistent question.  Simply put, Shepard wasn't indoctrinated during those scenes.  In fact, Shepard isn't indoctrinated during the final battle, either.  The entire ending sequence, rather, is a demonstration of Shepard's fight against Harbinger trying to indoctrinate him, shows the mental process of indoctrination itself.  The choice Shepard ultimately makes is what determines whether Harbinger's attack succeeds, or not.  So if Shepard chooses correctly, he overcomes Harbinger's attempt to indoctrinate him, he beats Harbinger, and he's NEVER indoctrinated.  If not, Harbinger wins and THEN Shepard is indoctrinated.

Wrong - he IS undergoing indoctrination throughout the entire series - the final scene is him fighting the final effects of indoctrination, not the initial effects. Shep's dreams confirm this part of the theory.

+ the kid in the beginning of the game that nobody else seems to see
+ The Prothean VI that stops saying "Inductrinated presence detected". You only assume it's that asian guy, forgot his name^^

it was Lieutenent-Commander Bastard I believe

[Ghost of a Messiah]

willdom wrote...

Chrumpek wrote...

willdom wrote...

Crucible Meaning and Definition

(n.) A vessel or melting pot, composed of some very refractory substance, as clay, graphite, platinum, and used for melting and calcining substances which require a strong degree of heat, as metals, ores, etc.
(n.) A test of the most decisive kind; a severe trial; as, the crucible of affliction.
(n.) A hollow place at the bottom of a furnace, to receive the melted metal.

Yes, a severe trail, as in option A, B or C to choose the fate of the galaxy.

id say we all feel real affliced right now dont you about the ending...??? this one is going in the history books i would bet 1 million on it:ph34r:


Im for melting down the citidal and the useing the crucible to pour it in.

[squee365]

kyg_20X6 wrote...

twitter.com/#!/JessicaMerizan/status/180154982098669568

That was my tweet... lol. I seemed to have rocked the boat too hard. Woops. 

[taviastrife]

Before going away completely....

kyg_20X6 wrote...

twitter.com/#!/JessicaMerizan/status/180154982098669568

Dang, she just loves trolling, lolol XD

Cya everyone!

[Sajuro]

Icinix wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

It leaves me to wonder if the crucible does much besides acting as a giant signal jammer to interrupt the Reaper Hive Mind, and the real advantage of the Crucible, given what the word Crucible means, is that by completing it, it shows that you are able to unify the galaxy against the threat and muster the forces to prove a formidable force against the Reapers.

This is what I think - it isn't so much a weapon as it is a tool.

Without communication their ground troops and space battles have no co-ordination - it opens the doors of conventional warfare being effective.

Maybe, if there is an Omega DLC, the upcoming Omega DLC will reveal part of TIM's plan to control the Reapers (only reason I could think of him going through the trouble to take it and then do nothing since Maelon is still running a clinic there, is that there is a secret of Omega) and when the crucible is jamming Reaper signals we can bring in whatever we find on Omega (and maybe use Cerberus' Reaper signal to cause the Reaper ground forces to fight themselves or fight along side the Organics [though that could easily backfire] in storming the citadel)

[BeardedPuma]

kyg_20X6 wrote...

twitter.com/#!/JessicaMerizan/status/180154982098669568

Hope...back again

[Amialis666]

byne wrote...

So, first intimidate option with TIM on the Citadel:

Shep: Why waste your time with us, if you can control the Reapers?
TIM: Because... I need you to believe.

Interesting.

Aye that whole TIM scene made no sense.

If he had the power to make shepard shoot anderson, how does he let shepard shoot him. Couldn't he just do that thing again and stop them from shooting?

Also... he appears to have alot of reaper implants... I realize that Grayson may have had more implanted in him, but he was still nearly impossible to kill... and yet TIM falls in one shot (To the knee is what it looked like on me screen. Have to replay that part.)

Also been mentioned but I find andersons actions strange... when shepard pulls his gun out anderson puts his hand forward, towards shepard, and though its been said before, when he says 'Their controlling you!' he looks directly at the camera.

Something is fishy about that entire scene. 

[Novouto]

Nazoa wrote...

Novouto wrote...

thefallen0412 wrote...

@JessicaMerizan Heres a good question. If you were one of us and didnt know of any future plans, would you be ok with the ending as it is?
@iammattbagley I had to process it for awhile w/ no one to discuss As a fan, I'll always want more than I'm given, but yes I accepted it.


guys, i think the phase of hoping the indoc theory was true is over...
she has started defending the "real" endings

Um, I don't think they let her in on future plans. I think we have discussed this.

Almost everyone else yeah, Jessica's just not a dev.

I've long assumed that only the people directly responsible know... to prevent leakage.

[Ona Demonie]

kyg_20X6 wrote...

twitter.com/#!/JessicaMerizan/status/180154982098669568

Honestly, I'm sick of ALL the tweets I see. I'm done with this emotional roller coaster. While I understand they want to come out and tell us, they aren't doing too well when out of the 3.5 million copies shipped, about 1 million has been sold (last figures). GameStop is getting a **** ton of used copies of ME3; even my local store is getting a lot of them. At this point, no matter WHAT they do, there will be pissed off fans.

Endings are real? Majority of the fans will be pissed. 
Endings aren't real and will be handing out free DLC? Fans that turned in their copies will be pissed. Sure, they'll be "at fault", but at the same time, BioWare shouldn't have taken the risk. Even if we had a happy ending with ME3, it wouldn't be forgotten, Casey. Mass Effect is beloved. Beloved so much it will never be forgotten.

[Martukis]

Sajuro wrote...

Icinix wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

It leaves me to wonder if the crucible does much besides acting as a giant signal jammer to interrupt the Reaper Hive Mind, and the real advantage of the Crucible, given what the word Crucible means, is that by completing it, it shows that you are able to unify the galaxy against the threat and muster the forces to prove a formidable force against the Reapers.

This is what I think - it isn't so much a weapon as it is a tool.

Without communication their ground troops and space battles have no co-ordination - it opens the doors of conventional warfare being effective.

Maybe, if there is an Omega DLC, the upcoming Omega DLC will reveal part of TIM's plan to control the Reapers (only reason I could think of him going through the trouble to take it and then do nothing since Maelon is still running a clinic there, is that there is a secret of Omega) and when the crucible is jamming Reaper signals we can bring in whatever we find on Omega (and maybe use Cerberus' Reaper signal to cause the Reaper ground forces to fight themselves or fight along side the Organics [though that could easily backfire] in storming the citadel)

 There is a mini-comic that came with the ME3 CE, and it suggests to me that TIM took over Omega to expedite research of the galactic core (either the collector base, or the debris field from it) and to contain an indoctrination outbreak. So yeah, I think that is a sage bet.

[Chrumpek]

BTW when shepard learnt that the god kid controls the reapers and they are his tools for the solution...

Shouldn't he asked how he can turn him off? thus just disabling reapers? Or where is his VI stored so he can nab it or re-purpose it?

[Ona Demonie]

Chrumpek wrote...

BTW when shepard learnt that the god kid controls the reapers and they are his tools for the solution...

Shouldn't he asked how he can turn him off? thus just disabling reapers? Or where is his VI stored so he can nab it or re-purpose it?

You're thinking with logic when space magic is in the works.

[CommanderWilliams]

The evidence is all there. Either Bioware planned this ****, or some of the smartest people on the planet have somehow crafted random comments and textures into one solid, undefeatable theory.

[Nazoa]

Ona Demonie wrote...

kyg_20X6 wrote...

twitter.com/#!/JessicaMerizan/status/180154982098669568

Honestly, I'm sick of ALL the tweets I see. I'm done with this emotional roller coaster. While I understand they want to come out and tell us, they aren't doing too well when out of the 3.5 million copies shipped, about 1 million has been sold (last figures). GameStop is getting a **** ton of used copies of ME3; even my local store is getting a lot of them. At this point, no matter WHAT they do, there will be pissed off fans.

Endings are real? Majority of the fans will be pissed. 
Endings aren't real and will be handing out free DLC? Fans that turned in their copies will be pissed. Sure, they'll be "at fault", but at the same time, BioWare shouldn't have taken the risk. Even if we had a happy ending with ME3, it wouldn't be forgotten, Casey. Mass Effect is beloved. Beloved so much it will never be forgotten.

Bioware said to hold on to your saves...and presumably, your games. Selling them back only helped gamestop, and didn't hurt Bioware in any form or fashion.

[DaGhostDS]

Lets hope everything here is true.. If not good job Bioware..

<-- also this reflect the face i had for 2 days after "completing" that ending.

Modifié par DaGhostDS, 15 mars 2012 - 05:09 .

[squee365]

Ona Demonie wrote...

kyg_20X6 wrote...

twitter.com/#!/JessicaMerizan/status/180154982098669568

Honestly, I'm sick of ALL the tweets I see. I'm done with this emotional roller coaster. While I understand they want to come out and tell us, they aren't doing too well when out of the 3.5 million copies shipped, about 1 million has been sold (last figures). GameStop is getting a **** ton of used copies of ME3; even my local store is getting a lot of them. At this point, no matter WHAT they do, there will be pissed off fans.

Endings are real? Majority of the fans will be pissed. 
Endings aren't real and will be handing out free DLC? Fans that turned in their copies will be pissed. Sure, they'll be "at fault", but at the same time, BioWare shouldn't have taken the risk. Even if we had a happy ending with ME3, it wouldn't be forgotten, Casey. Mass Effect is beloved. Beloved so much it will never be forgotten.

My thoughts exactly.

[Nazoa]

CommanderWilliams wrote...

The evidence is all there. Either Bioware planned this ****, or some of the smartest people on the planet have somehow crafted random comments and textures into one solid, undefeatable theory.

It breaks down to, either Bioware meant to do this, or they just in general suck at developing games, and we're reaching.

I'd like to believe that the latter can be proven wrong by Bioware's track record, but there's a first time for everything....

[thefallen0412]

Ona Demonie wrote...

kyg_20X6 wrote...

twitter.com/#!/JessicaMerizan/status/180154982098669568

Honestly, I'm sick of ALL the tweets I see. I'm done with this emotional roller coaster. While I understand they want to come out and tell us, they aren't doing too well when out of the 3.5 million copies shipped, about 1 million has been sold (last figures). GameStop is getting a **** ton of used copies of ME3; even my local store is getting a lot of them. At this point, no matter WHAT they do, there will be pissed off fans.

Endings are real? Majority of the fans will be pissed. 
Endings aren't real and will be handing out free DLC? Fans that turned in their copies will be pissed. Sure, they'll be "at fault", but at the same time, BioWare shouldn't have taken the risk. Even if we had a happy ending with ME3, it wouldn't be forgotten, Casey. Mass Effect is beloved. Beloved so much it will never be forgotten.

I agree with you 100%.  Im tired of playing the wait and see game.  If these are not the real endings then they should have never put them in, the whole game could of shipped with indoc theory in them.  Im sure if it did the game would of gotten 10s everywhere for such an ingenous idea. 
 if these are the real endings they suck, they are completely terrible and should be changed. I was planning on getting some figures for me and my gf, but i have such negative feelings I dont even wanna spend the money.   Bioware is going to have to earn my trust and money back. 

[Little Lummo]

The first people who started figuring this out should totally get paid reward money by BioWare

Unfortunately that doesn't include me... I was slightly late to the party

[Sajuro]

Martukis wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

Icinix wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

It leaves me to wonder if the crucible does much besides acting as a giant signal jammer to interrupt the Reaper Hive Mind, and the real advantage of the Crucible, given what the word Crucible means, is that by completing it, it shows that you are able to unify the galaxy against the threat and muster the forces to prove a formidable force against the Reapers.

This is what I think - it isn't so much a weapon as it is a tool.

Without communication their ground troops and space battles have no co-ordination - it opens the doors of conventional warfare being effective.

Maybe, if there is an Omega DLC, the upcoming Omega DLC will reveal part of TIM's plan to control the Reapers (only reason I could think of him going through the trouble to take it and then do nothing since Maelon is still running a clinic there, is that there is a secret of Omega) and when the crucible is jamming Reaper signals we can bring in whatever we find on Omega (and maybe use Cerberus' Reaper signal to cause the Reaper ground forces to fight themselves or fight along side the Organics [though that could easily backfire] in storming the citadel)

 There is a mini-comic that came with the ME3 CE, and it suggests to me that TIM took over Omega to expedite research of the galactic core (either the collector base, or the debris field from it) and to contain an indoctrination outbreak. So yeah, I think that is a sage bet.

With the infection husks? I think that TIM sicced them on Omega for a real reason because the relay out of Omega's system is closer than Omega is to the Omega 4 Relay (Omega, just to give it a beat) rather than some Cerberus accident, and I don't remember the last time Cerberus was concerned with "Safety" or "protocols"y
I think we have to take into account the Reaper view of Omega in Retribution, where they talked about Omega like they had been there before and how cluttered the organics made it, building on top of each other.
What if, Omega is the remains of the crucible from a previous cycle

[Icinix]

Nazoa wrote...

CommanderWilliams wrote...

The evidence is all there. Either Bioware planned this ****, or some of the smartest people on the planet have somehow crafted random comments and textures into one solid, undefeatable theory.

It breaks down to, either Bioware meant to do this, or they just in general suck at developing games, and we're reaching.

I'd like to believe that the latter can be proven wrong by Bioware's track record, but there's a first time for everything....

I read a comment somehwere that BioWare decided since the ship was sinking anyway - they just set it to fullspeed ahead and jumped off.

I don't believe it - but I still found it funny.

[aMytallica]

Chrumpek wrote...

BTW when shepard learnt that the god kid controls the reapers and they are his tools for the solution...

Shouldn't he asked how he can turn him off? thus just disabling reapers? Or where is his VI stored so he can nab it or re-purpose it?

I would say if the indoctrination theory is true, which I'm believing more and more, then Shepard is accepting what he/she is seeing as reality, so isn't questioning logic. Not like the fans are

I'm starting to think that BioWare are evil geniuses. The question of whether Shepard is indoctrinated has been discussed for years, considering all the contact Shepard has has with reapers and reaper tech. If this is in fact the case, this is clearly another loose end being addressed. And also if true, would this whole thing have the same impact if we knew for certain what was happening? We've only ever seen from Shepard's perspective... There must be more to it. Like I said. Evil.

[Elenterx]

Ona Demonie wrote...

kyg_20X6 wrote...

twitter.com/#!/JessicaMerizan/status/180154982098669568

Honestly, I'm sick of ALL the tweets I see. I'm done with this emotional roller coaster. While I understand they want to come out and tell us, they aren't doing too well when out of the 3.5 million copies shipped, about 1 million has been sold (last figures). GameStop is getting a **** ton of used copies of ME3; even my local store is getting a lot of them. At this point, no matter WHAT they do, there will be pissed off fans.

Endings are real? Majority of the fans will be pissed. 
Endings aren't real and will be handing out free DLC? Fans that turned in their copies will be pissed. Sure, they'll be "at fault", but at the same time, BioWare shouldn't have taken the risk. Even if we had a happy ending with ME3, it wouldn't be forgotten, Casey. Mass Effect is beloved. Beloved so much it will never be forgotten.

Those "Last figures" were the first 24 hours lol...

[spacefiddle]

More and more, I am coming to believe the ID theories have a lot of truth to them. I think Shepard was the Crucible all along. And I think the ABC choice at the end is symbolic, a choice in his head.

What I have an increasing problem with is how this was all handled. Whatever clever intentions, it has backfired and become an absolute disaster. It's time to change the game plan, and commit to never jerking around one's fans again.

Also... a lesser issue is, if this is how it was intended... there's too much counter-intuitive to the game mechanics, at the end, to make an informed choice. Even if it's what I think it is, it's too rushed and clipped. The information in-game is not there.

This is not a movie. A counter-intuitive twist at the last minute is not good in interactive media: the player must trust the controls, must trust, to a degree, the mechanics in game. If they are meant to suspect those controls - meant to distrust the mechanics we have spent many houirs getting good at, or being led to believe we can control to our liking - there should have been better hints at it along the way. Not things that need to be dissected after the fact in minute detail.

[Flammenpanzer]

Sajuro wrote...

Martukis wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

Icinix wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

It leaves me to wonder if the crucible does much besides acting as a giant signal jammer to interrupt the Reaper Hive Mind, and the real advantage of the Crucible, given what the word Crucible means, is that by completing it, it shows that you are able to unify the galaxy against the threat and muster the forces to prove a formidable force against the Reapers.

This is what I think - it isn't so much a weapon as it is a tool.

Without communication their ground troops and space battles have no co-ordination - it opens the doors of conventional warfare being effective.

Maybe, if there is an Omega DLC, the upcoming Omega DLC will reveal part of TIM's plan to control the Reapers (only reason I could think of him going through the trouble to take it and then do nothing since Maelon is still running a clinic there, is that there is a secret of Omega) and when the crucible is jamming Reaper signals we can bring in whatever we find on Omega (and maybe use Cerberus' Reaper signal to cause the Reaper ground forces to fight themselves or fight along side the Organics [though that could easily backfire] in storming the citadel)

 There is a mini-comic that came with the ME3 CE, and it suggests to me that TIM took over Omega to expedite research of the galactic core (either the collector base, or the debris field from it) and to contain an indoctrination outbreak. So yeah, I think that is a sage bet.

With the infection husks? I think that TIM sicced them on Omega for a real reason because the relay out of Omega's system is closer than Omega is to the Omega 4 Relay (Omega, just to give it a beat) rather than some Cerberus accident, and I don't remember the last time Cerberus was concerned with "Safety" or "protocols"y
I think we have to take into account the Reaper view of Omega in Retribution, where they talked about Omega like they had been there before and how cluttered the organics made it, building on top of each other.
What if, Omega is the remains of the crucible from a previous cycle

At this point...I'd believe it. lol

Pretty cool to think about though.

Modifié par Flammenpanzer, 15 mars 2012 - 05:13 .