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[Elenterx]

Flammenpanzer wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

Martukis wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

Icinix wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

It leaves me to wonder if the crucible does much besides acting as a giant signal jammer to interrupt the Reaper Hive Mind, and the real advantage of the Crucible, given what the word Crucible means, is that by completing it, it shows that you are able to unify the galaxy against the threat and muster the forces to prove a formidable force against the Reapers.

This is what I think - it isn't so much a weapon as it is a tool.

Without communication their ground troops and space battles have no co-ordination - it opens the doors of conventional warfare being effective.

Maybe, if there is an Omega DLC, the upcoming Omega DLC will reveal part of TIM's plan to control the Reapers (only reason I could think of him going through the trouble to take it and then do nothing since Maelon is still running a clinic there, is that there is a secret of Omega) and when the crucible is jamming Reaper signals we can bring in whatever we find on Omega (and maybe use Cerberus' Reaper signal to cause the Reaper ground forces to fight themselves or fight along side the Organics [though that could easily backfire] in storming the citadel)

 There is a mini-comic that came with the ME3 CE, and it suggests to me that TIM took over Omega to expedite research of the galactic core (either the collector base, or the debris field from it) and to contain an indoctrination outbreak. So yeah, I think that is a sage bet.

With the infection husks? I think that TIM sicced them on Omega for a real reason because the relay out of Omega's system is closer than Omega is to the Omega 4 Relay (Omega, just to give it a beat) rather than some Cerberus accident, and I don't remember the last time Cerberus was concerned with "Safety" or "protocols"y
I think we have to take into account the Reaper view of Omega in Retribution, where they talked about Omega like they had been there before and how cluttered the organics made it, building on top of each other.
What if, Omega is the remains of the crucible from a previous cycle

At this point...I'd believe it. lol

Pretty cool to think about though.

It would be insane if the crucible was actually destroyed and there only hope was to go to omega & use that + have final showdown with harby.



God that would be awesome.

[Ona Demonie]

Nazoa wrote...

Ona Demonie wrote...

kyg_20X6 wrote...

twitter.com/#!/JessicaMerizan/status/180154982098669568

Honestly, I'm sick of ALL the tweets I see. I'm done with this emotional roller coaster. While I understand they want to come out and tell us, they aren't doing too well when out of the 3.5 million copies shipped, about 1 million has been sold (last figures). GameStop is getting a **** ton of used copies of ME3; even my local store is getting a lot of them. At this point, no matter WHAT they do, there will be pissed off fans.

Endings are real? Majority of the fans will be pissed. 
Endings aren't real and will be handing out free DLC? Fans that turned in their copies will be pissed. Sure, they'll be "at fault", but at the same time, BioWare shouldn't have taken the risk. Even if we had a happy ending with ME3, it wouldn't be forgotten, Casey. Mass Effect is beloved. Beloved so much it will never be forgotten.

Bioware said to hold on to your saves...and presumably, your games. Selling them back only helped gamestop, and didn't hurt Bioware in any form or fashion.

It will when people start buying the used ME3 copies.

[1490]

Just thought of this, maybe it's a huge stretch but I'll say it anyway:

Shepard is very much a Jesus figure: the savior of humanity, sacrificing his life to save everyone. According to Dante's model, Jesus went through hell, then purgatory, and then into heaven after he died, and good people who go to heaven follow him in this model when they die. When Shepard first enters the "Citadel," it is dark red with bodies everywhere: Hell. When he is between floors with TIM and Anderson, where he is in stalemate,he is in Purgatory. Then, he passes out and ASCENDS to a bright, open area with a child of light: Heaven. It is very symbolic and almost unrealistic in that sense. You could go on to say the Reapers are playing to Shepard's understanding about what heaven, hell, and apotheosis are, trying to appeal to his desire to be a "Savior", also evidence that the "destruction" choice is shown to have the worst effects, and is highlighted in red.

Anyway, just throwing it out there.

[Nazoa]

1490 wrote...

Just thought of this, maybe it's a huge stretch but I'll say it anyway:

Shepard is very much a Jesus figure: the savior of humanity, sacrificing his life to save everyone. According to Dante's model, Jesus went through hell, then purgatory, and then into heaven after he died, and good people who go to heaven follow him in this model when they die. When Shepard first enters the "Citadel," it is dark red with bodies everywhere: Hell. When he is between floors with TIM and Anderson, where he is in stalemate,he is in Purgatory. Then, he passes out and ASCENDS to a bright, open area with a child of light: Heaven. It is very symbolic and almost unrealistic in that sense. You could go on to say the Reapers are playing to Shepard's understanding about what heaven, hell, and apotheosis are, trying to appeal to his desire to be a "Savior", also evidence that the "destruction" choice is shown to have the worst effects, and is highlighted in red.

Anyway, just throwing it out there.

a sound parallel, but not a new one

[Dap Brannigan]

1490 wrote...

Just thought of this, maybe it's a huge stretch but I'll say it anyway:

Shepard is very much a Jesus figure: the savior of humanity, sacrificing his life to save everyone. According to Dante's model, Jesus went through hell, then purgatory, and then into heaven after he died, and good people who go to heaven follow him in this model when they die. When Shepard first enters the "Citadel," it is dark red with bodies everywhere: Hell. When he is between floors with TIM and Anderson, where he is in stalemate,he is in Purgatory. Then, he passes out and ASCENDS to a bright, open area with a child of light: Heaven. It is very symbolic and almost unrealistic in that sense. You could go on to say the Reapers are playing to Shepard's understanding about what heaven, hell, and apotheosis are, trying to appeal to his desire to be a "Savior", also evidence that the "destruction" choice is shown to have the worst effects, and is highlighted in red.

Anyway, just throwing it out there.

I don't think it's a stretch at all.  It's been very evident for a while that Shepard is Space Jesus.  I'm not a big fan of the good book but I think it's always been executed very well.

The child referring to Shepard as "the Shepard" in the epilogue was a bit corny and heavyhanded though.

[Amialis666]

Sajuro wrote...

Martukis wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

Icinix wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

It leaves me to wonder if the crucible does much besides acting as a giant signal jammer to interrupt the Reaper Hive Mind, and the real advantage of the Crucible, given what the word Crucible means, is that by completing it, it shows that you are able to unify the galaxy against the threat and muster the forces to prove a formidable force against the Reapers.

This is what I think - it isn't so much a weapon as it is a tool.

Without communication their ground troops and space battles have no co-ordination - it opens the doors of conventional warfare being effective.

Maybe, if there is an Omega DLC, the upcoming Omega DLC will reveal part of TIM's plan to control the Reapers (only reason I could think of him going through the trouble to take it and then do nothing since Maelon is still running a clinic there, is that there is a secret of Omega) and when the crucible is jamming Reaper signals we can bring in whatever we find on Omega (and maybe use Cerberus' Reaper signal to cause the Reaper ground forces to fight themselves or fight along side the Organics [though that could easily backfire] in storming the citadel)

 There is a mini-comic that came with the ME3 CE, and it suggests to me that TIM took over Omega to expedite research of the galactic core (either the collector base, or the debris field from it) and to contain an indoctrination outbreak. So yeah, I think that is a sage bet.

With the infection husks? I think that TIM sicced them on Omega for a real reason because the relay out of Omega's system is closer than Omega is to the Omega 4 Relay (Omega, just to give it a beat) rather than some Cerberus accident, and I don't remember the last time Cerberus was concerned with "Safety" or "protocols"y
I think we have to take into account the Reaper view of Omega in Retribution, where they talked about Omega like they had been there before and how cluttered the organics made it, building on top of each other.
What if, Omega is the remains of the crucible from a previous cycle

I had a very similar thought...

I'd have to replay it to actually see how all the peices fit together, but maybe that is TIM's plan... to use omega as the crucible to take control of the reapers... obviously he has one of his own or he wouldn't be fighting shepard throughout the entire game. 

[yagaelvin]

Handren wrote...

This is from another thread. Look at all of these from the official ME twitter!:

True, but consider that the ME twitter feed is also blown up with messages that it isn't over...

User 1: "I still want to believe you guys are sneaky trolls and have something going on you don't tell us yet. Can I get a cryptic reply?" @masseffect: "The sun, it shines. [1] www.youtube.com/watch"[/b]*

User 2: "You are either a massive sadist or a beacon of hope."* @masseffect: "Can't it be both?"[/b]

User 3: "I kinda feel lost after that ending...not what I expected and left me feeling everything done was for nothing." @masseffect: "We know it's a lot to take in! But hang in there. Your decisions matter."[/b]*

User 4: "Are you holding something back, that could quell the large amount of frustration from the community, a tiny hint would be enough."* @masseffect: "Mike Gamble already said on his twitter, if the fans knew what was in store, the reaction would be different."[/b]

User 5: "I loved 98% of ME3..but something has to be up w/ ending..too much talent at BW for that business. Keep my saves?" @masseffect: "We're keeping our saves, that's for sure."[/b]

*User 6: "Fans are people too. Playing with their minds isn't that nice as it may look like to people from Bioware."*@masseffect: "We're not playing with anyone's minds, we are answering what questions we can and recording what feedback we receive."[/b]

User 7: "Its not that the ending was taken in the wrong direction its that it makes NO SENSE. Ashley was on the Normandy? she [was] with me." @masseffect: "Probably a good thing to be cautious of."[/b] *

User 8: "Do y'all have any ETA when more news will be released? Dying for news on a new ending/DLC."*@masseffect: "No ETA yet, but you will be updated via Facebook and Twitter when the news is available ."[/b]And some more:[/b]

*User 1 -Well, i think i'll stop naggin you and trying to get you to talk about the indoctrination theory. Good game though!* Merizan - I want people to make up their own minds right now, then when more people have played we'll talk [/b]

User 2 - then I want to SEE that he was lying. I want to get up and finish the fight with Commander Shepard. Then retire. Merizan - augh. want. to. discuss! Staying spoiler free for now [/b]User 3 - But should've confronted the kid instead. Shep went meekly into the night. Merizan - are you sure he went meekly into the night?
[/b]

This is a list of tweets I[/b] pulled from Reddit.
[/b]

Not IF, WHEN.

GOOD TO BE CAUTIOUS.

There is hope for at least some kind of DLC fix! Hold the Line!

See how cryptic all of those tweets are?  Not one of them is concrete in an answer.  it's why I wanted a list of them for awhile now.  It really makes you wonder that SOMETHING is going on (ending stuff or not) with Bioware

Modifié par yagaelvin, 15 mars 2012 - 05:20 .

[Kiara]

Beast919 wrote...

So....no takers on my crackpot theory that its Vega in the rubble with the N7 dog tags? My god that would be funny. So funny.

Nope, played a female shep, got a female form taking a breath at the end. lol not Vega

[Martukis]

Ona Demonie wrote...

Nazoa wrote...

Ona Demonie wrote...

kyg_20X6 wrote...

twitter.com/#!/JessicaMerizan/status/180154982098669568

Honestly, I'm sick of ALL the tweets I see. I'm done with this emotional roller coaster. While I understand they want to come out and tell us, they aren't doing too well when out of the 3.5 million copies shipped, about 1 million has been sold (last figures). GameStop is getting a **** ton of used copies of ME3; even my local store is getting a lot of them. At this point, no matter WHAT they do, there will be pissed off fans.

Endings are real? Majority of the fans will be pissed. 
Endings aren't real and will be handing out free DLC? Fans that turned in their copies will be pissed. Sure, they'll be "at fault", but at the same time, BioWare shouldn't have taken the risk. Even if we had a happy ending with ME3, it wouldn't be forgotten, Casey. Mass Effect is beloved. Beloved so much it will never be forgotten.

Bioware said to hold on to your saves...and presumably, your games. Selling them back only helped gamestop, and didn't hurt Bioware in any form or fashion.

It will when people start buying the used ME3 copies.

 Except for the whole $10 to play MP for secondhand copies which will go directly to EA/Bioware. And with the EMS thing, that'll hurt.

[SpaceBacon7]

I wanted to throw my 2 cents in here to the indoctrination theory.
A lot of people have been questioning why Vega asks if you hear a "humming" sound.
(which is a symptom of indoctrination)
Well I was replaying Palaven and got to the part where Vega starts breathing heavily and says "adrenaline is better than oxygen"
Fast forward to the cerberus base/codex and we learn adrenaline speeds up the process that turns people into a husk. Maybe I'm making connections where there are none but that just seems to fit too well. Maybe foreshadowing? If you believe in the Indoc dlc theory it makes sense you would have to fight your allies at some point. If you talk to Javik he talks about having to kill his best friends after they turned against him and specifically mentions the reapers also used their children against them.

[1490]

Nazoa wrote...

1490 wrote...

Just thought of this, maybe it's a huge stretch but I'll say it anyway:

Shepard is very much a Jesus figure: the savior of humanity, sacrificing his life to save everyone. According to Dante's model, Jesus went through hell, then purgatory, and then into heaven after he died, and good people who go to heaven follow him in this model when they die. When Shepard first enters the "Citadel," it is dark red with bodies everywhere: Hell. When he is between floors with TIM and Anderson, where he is in stalemate,he is in Purgatory. Then, he passes out and ASCENDS to a bright, open area with a child of light: Heaven. It is very symbolic and almost unrealistic in that sense. You could go on to say the Reapers are playing to Shepard's understanding about what heaven, hell, and apotheosis are, trying to appeal to his desire to be a "Savior", also evidence that the "destruction" choice is shown to have the worst effects, and is highlighted in red.

Anyway, just throwing it out there.

a sound parallel, but not a new one

With the thousands of pages floating around here, I don't have nearly enough time to read all of them, so I apologize if I'm repeating what other people have already said.  At least a few people agree with me

[Noob451]

 guys..... look at the object name in the picture

http://i1115.photobu...31778596081.png 

Modifié par Noob451, 15 mars 2012 - 05:21 .

[Rulycar]

New thoughts:

... PR stunt.
... Everything, and I mean EVERYTHING was the Prothean beacon on Eden Prime.
... You have been experiencing the war through the Prothean's eyes (ala ST:TNG "Innerlight").
... With this knowledge you can end the war, and the Prothean black box will show you the way.
... Players will get this post ME3 global launch either as free DLC or a series of paid DLC.
... We will get an updated ME1,
... which we can then play through to ME2, ME3, and finally the TRUE ending.

Hey, if I'm gonna dream ... I'm gonna dream big 8)

[Martukis]

Noob451 wrote...

 guys..... look at the object name in the picture

http://i1115.photobu...31778596081.png 

 Yeah, that photoshopped object name. Addressed over the past two pages. Nice try thought.

[Ona Demonie]

Noob451 wrote...

 guys..... look at the object name in the picture

http://i1115.photobu...31778596081.png 

You're late to the party. Its fake.

[Noob451]

Martukis wrote...

Noob451 wrote...

 guys..... look at the object name in the picture

http://i1115.photobu...31778596081.png 

 Yeah, that photoshopped object name. Addressed over the past two pages. Nice try thought.

awh, damn it

[kent80082006]

Noob451 wrote...

 guys..... look at the object name in the picture

http://i1115.photobu...31778596081.png 

I thought this was proofed to be fake for a while now

[Ona Demonie]

Rulycar wrote...

New thoughts:

... PR stunt.
... Everything, and I mean EVERYTHING was the Prothean beacon on Eden Prime.
... You have been experiencing the war through the Prothean's eyes (ala ST:TNG "Innerlight").
... With this knowledge you can end the war, and the Prothean black box will show you the way.
... Players will get this post ME3 global launch either as free DLC or a series of paid DLC.
... We will get an updated ME1,
... which we can then play through to ME2, ME3, and finally the TRUE ending.

Hey, if I'm gonna dream ... I'm gonna dream big 8)

Biggest issue is "paid DLC". If BioWare says that the current endings were not finished, they sold consumers unfinished products. You paid $60-$100 (depending on your region) for a game that wasn't fully finished and now you must pay for the content that was supposed to be on the product at launch. That ruins BioWare's reputation.

[byne]

Rulycar wrote...

New thoughts:

... PR stunt.
... Everything, and I mean EVERYTHING was the Prothean beacon on Eden Prime.
... You have been experiencing the war through the Prothean's eyes (ala ST:TNG "Innerlight").
... With this knowledge you can end the war, and the Prothean black box will show you the way.
... Players will get this post ME3 global launch either as free DLC or a series of paid DLC.
... We will get an updated ME1,
... which we can then play through to ME2, ME3, and finally the TRUE ending.

Hey, if I'm gonna dream ... I'm gonna dream big 8)

So, my romance with Liara never happened?

THEORY DENIED GOOD SIR

[kent80082006]

Just saw something on another thread, saw something about what the god child said

With low EMS, it's "Why are you here" and "You don't need hope. The fact that you're standing here, the first organic to do so, proves it"

With high EMS, it's "Wake up" and "You have hope. The fact that you're standing here, the first organic to do so, proves it"

You don't need hope. The fact that you're standing here, the first organic to do so, proves it. This makes no sense at all!

[Monochrome Wench]

Sharkey1337 wrote...

N3vDawg wrote...

Pyewacket wrote...

Tygur wrote...

smargh1015 wrote...

Nighthunteer wrote...


I put them together for you all!
Well done OP that got them!

what does this mean?

Think too much is being read into this. Of course the beam would look the same, its the same beam. And for the wheels, the number is wrong, its a common design element, and I think its just a stretch.

Actually, you're incorrect.  They are in fact, NOT the same beam.  The beam on the Citadel is caused by the Crucible.  The conduit beam simply transports you up to the Citadel, apparantly.  Someone please correct me if I'm wrong but the beam on the Citadel is very clearly connected to the Crucible.  When you're on Earth the Crucible isn't even hooked up to the Citadel yet.  Therefore?  Not the same beam.

It's still interesting how very similar they are.

OH WOW, that is very interesting. Perhaps Shepard has just been wandering around near the Citadel beam after beaing hit. The bodies around the beam you see are the bodies seen "on the Citadel". That Mako is that shot there "on the Citadel". And of course the Crucible beam is really the beam going to the Citadel. So maybe the Synthesis ending isn't really bad, as Shepard is really throwing himself into the Citadel beam???

That is not it at all. From what we know the beam goes to the citadel where they are making a reaper. You choose synthesis you walk into the beam that actually takes you to the citadel and you become part of the reaper.

[LolaLei]

I think I'd be a little gutted now if it turned out the ending dlc (if they make one) wasn't hallucination/indoctrination, with all the brain storming we've been doing with these theories it would be an awful waste lol.

[Chrumpek]

Sidenote that prolly was somwhere among the lines of those 500 pages:

God child tells you that if you choose to destroy, it kills every synthethic life, even shepard since he got plenty of synth in him.

I did that and then I see my shepard breathing in the end movie... wha?

[Dap Brannigan]

LolaLei wrote...

I think I'd be a little gutted now if it turned out the ending dlc (if they make one) wasn't hallucination/indoctrination, with all the brain storming we've been doing with these theories it would be an awful waste lol.

Even though all of the evidence for indoctrination theory is circumstantial, there sure is a **** ton of it.