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[byne]

Chrumpek wrote...

Sidenote that prolly was somwhere among the lines of those 500 pages:

God child tells you that if you choose to destroy, it kills every synthethic life, even shepard since he got plenty of synth in him.

I did that and then I see my shepard breathing in the end movie... wha?

Godchild also tells us synthetics are bad, but that the best possible outcome is definitely to turn everyone into synthetics.

Godchild is just an idiot.

[Ona Demonie]

Chrumpek wrote...

Sidenote that prolly was somwhere among the lines of those 500 pages:

God child tells you that if you choose to destroy, it kills every synthethic life, even shepard since he got plenty of synth in him.

I did that and then I see my shepard breathing in the end movie... wha?

Reapers can lie. Just because we don't see EDI stepping out of the Normandy in the destroy ending (Shepard's closure), doesn't mean she's dead. We didn't see any Geth die. 

[Teh Tux]

Ona Demonie wrote...

Rulycar wrote...

New thoughts:

... PR stunt.
... Everything, and I mean EVERYTHING was the Prothean beacon on Eden Prime.
... You have been experiencing the war through the Prothean's eyes (ala ST:TNG "Innerlight").
... With this knowledge you can end the war, and the Prothean black box will show you the way.
... Players will get this post ME3 global launch either as free DLC or a series of paid DLC.
... We will get an updated ME1,
... which we can then play through to ME2, ME3, and finally the TRUE ending.

Hey, if I'm gonna dream ... I'm gonna dream big 8)

Biggest issue is "paid DLC". If BioWare says that the current endings were not finished, they sold consumers unfinished products. You paid $60-$100 (depending on your region) for a game that wasn't fully finished and now you must pay for the content that was supposed to be on the product at launch. That ruins BioWare's reputation.

The game does have a ending in its current state.
Its just the worst ending in the history of ever.

If it's paid DLC and marketed as an alternative ending (which is then taken as cannon later on)...
Lets just say many a fans will be pissed.

The indoctronation theory seems the most likely in my eyes, and "The Truth DLC" leak is the rumour that has renewed my hope in BioWare.

[xxZealouSocitYxx]

Clearly this is indoctrination at it's finest. The Reapers know Shepard's amassed enough forces to destroy them AND the WMD (Crucible) hangs right over their heads. The Catalyst is most likely Harbinger tricking Shepard. Hell, when you think about it the whole set up seems a bit weird.

The left "control" section is full of electricity and stuff so Harbinger could just be sending Shepard into a massive power conduit hence him "frying" to a crisp. It might have basically been the thing powering the beam. So, therefore it had nothing to do with "controlling" etc. It was just an electricity socket.

The middle "beam" may have been the massive "EMP Blast" that the crucible was designed to send out. Harby lies about Synthesis and sends Shepard to his death again for a pointless reason. Finally, the right "control panel" style thing is actually the thing Harby is trying to send Shepard away from (through lies about Control and Synthesis) because it's the thing that powers the Crucible. Destroying it would send out the blast killing the Reapers.

Of course this all a dream induced by the indoctrination. Also, everyone knows that Shepard has actually been in a coma since the Eden Prime beacon in ME1, right? The thing knocked him out and he hasn't since awoken. Everything is a dream brought on by the beacon. Basically, this (indoctrination theory) is a dream inside a dream.

Spectacular.

(By the way, I fully support this theory. I think (if this is true) this makes an utterly horrible ending absolutely amazing. If not, then Bioware has lost it's way. If so, Bioware has gone beyond it's way and actually captivated their players so much that themselves are indoctrinated. Amazing. Here's hoping.)

[LolaLei]

Chrumpek wrote...

Sidenote that prolly was somwhere among the lines of those 500 pages:

God child tells you that if you choose to destroy, it kills every synthethic life, even shepard since he got plenty of synth in him.

I did that and then I see my shepard breathing in the end movie... wha?

Yeah I mentioned it at some point but I think it got swept away lol.

[smah]

Chrumpek wrote...

Sidenote that prolly was somwhere among the lines of those 500 pages:

God child tells you that if you choose to destroy, it kills every synthethic life, even shepard since he got plenty of synth in him.

I did that and then I see my shepard breathing in the end movie... wha?

I'm sorry if I'm railing on you, but you're the newest in a long line of people who apparently don't like reading the OP. This is one of the main supporting points for the ID theory and has been the focus of a lot of discussion. I realize you wouldn't have read all 500 pages, but if you had read just the OP, you would have seen this already.

[Elscotto1989]

so if casey hudson's only reply about the ending is that he didnt want it to be forgettable... i really hope he's just biding time otherwise...well you know...

[Chrumpek]

smah wrote...

Chrumpek wrote...

Sidenote that prolly was somwhere among the lines of those 500 pages:

God child tells you that if you choose to destroy, it kills every synthethic life, even shepard since he got plenty of synth in him.

I did that and then I see my shepard breathing in the end movie... wha?

I'm sorry if I'm railing on you, but you're the newest in a long line of people who apparently don't like reading the OP. This is one of the main supporting points for the ID theory and has been the focus of a lot of discussion. I realize you wouldn't have read all 500 pages, but if you had read just the OP, you would have seen this already.

erm its 6 am here, I read the OP etc but so much information I just sidetracked into my own visions ;>

[Ona Demonie]

Elscotto1989 wrote...

so if casey hudson's only reply about the ending is that he didnt want it to be forgettable... i really hope he's just biding time otherwise...well you know...

He didn't want the game to be forgettable, which is odd since well... he goes to deviantArt every once and awhile and looks at the fan art. He should see that Mass Effect is like this generation's Star Wars/Star Trek. Which is why I don't believe his statement. With the places he's gone (conventions and the latest midnight launch), he should have seen the dedication of the fans. Have you seen the cosplay of Aria? Or Garrus? Or of the weapons? Its huge. 

[LolaLei]

Elscotto1989 wrote...

so if casey hudson's only reply about the ending is that he didnt want it to be forgettable... i really hope he's just biding time otherwise...well you know...

Well I'll give him that, it's certainly not forgettable! Pity it's for all the wrong reasons lol.

[byne]

Elscotto1989 wrote...

so if casey hudson's only reply about the ending is that he didnt want it to be forgettable... i really hope he's just biding time otherwise...well you know...

The current endings are so forgettable I literally cant remember which one I chose my first time beating the game.

I've only beaten it three times, I should be able to remember.

Hell, 5 years later and I still remember I saved the Council my first time playing, and I've beaten ME1 like 30 times.

[Flammenpanzer]

Has anyone figured out what those two ending pics of an intact earth city are from? Or what they are for? They are right now the only files in the game that seem out of place.

[Lurchibald]

Here is the original (including original filename)

[Martukis]

Lurchibald wrote...

Here is the original (including original filename)

 What is being used to view these files?

[Dap Brannigan]

Martukis wrote...

Lurchibald wrote...

Here is the original (including original filename)

 What is being used to view these files?

It says UE Viewer at the top of the window.

[Little Lummo]

byne wrote...

Rulycar wrote...

New thoughts:

... PR stunt.
... Everything, and I mean EVERYTHING was the Prothean beacon on Eden Prime.
... You have been experiencing the war through the Prothean's eyes (ala ST:TNG "Innerlight").
... With this knowledge you can end the war, and the Prothean black box will show you the way.
... Players will get this post ME3 global launch either as free DLC or a series of paid DLC.
... We will get an updated ME1,
... which we can then play through to ME2, ME3, and finally the TRUE ending.

Hey, if I'm gonna dream ... I'm gonna dream big 8)

So, my romance with Liara never happened?

THEORY DENIED GOOD SIR

I'm in agreement, i don't like this theory! My Shenko DID happen!

[Martukis]

Erm.. right.. Well, derp

[spacefiddle]

Chrumpek wrote...

Sidenote that prolly was somwhere among the lines of those 500 pages:

God child tells you that if you choose to destroy, it kills every synthethic life, even shepard since he got plenty of synth in him.

I did that and then I see my shepard breathing in the end movie... wha?

Yeah, even if this is all what I think it is... your only choice that gives even a hope of survival is choosing to murder the Geth you just helped to save

ID theory demands that this choice is counter-intuitive: with very, very little to go on, the player must suddenly decide that the game itself is not to be trusted.  I think this is a plausible explanation, but a poor design choice.  The player is not given enough alternate information to be able to come to this conclusion.  It's too rushed and abrupt.  If they wanted to go this route it could have been done SO much better.

tl;dr of the ID (Indoctrination) theory (well, one of them) is that, at the end there, none of that is exactly real.  You're on the ground, in London, hit by Harby's beam.  And what you experience after that is a last-ditch effort by Harby to indoctrinate Shepard.  So everything Godboi tells you is BS, and the choice he tries to warn you away from - Destroy the Reapers - is the right one.  It's what you came here to do.  It won't kill you OR the Geth: Godboi is lying.  Is, in fact, Harby.

And it goes further: control the Reapers.  Well, we just explained to TIM that this is impossible - but it's in Paragon Blue.  Good choice!

Destroy the Reapers is in Renegade Red, and further tied in with slaughtering the Geth, EDI and yourself.

Synthesis is a middle-ground where this falls apart, a little.  If it's Harby, not sure why he offers this at all instead of pushing Control more, but that question branches into MORE sub-theories.

Go read the ID theory post, the OP breaks down summaries of "leading theories."

(And I still think Shepard was the Catlyst all along!)

[Lurchibald]

Martukis wrote...

Erm.. right.. Well, derp

Haha well, here is the site

[Dap Brannigan]

This has probably been mentioned before, but the PC CE game box says you need "at least 15GB" of space. Mass Effect 3 only takes up 11.2 GB in my Origin Games folder right now.

[Noob451]

Flammenpanzer wrote...

Has anyone figured out what those two ending pics of an intact earth city are from? Or what they are for? They are right now the only files in the game that seem out of place.

what pics?

[acidic-ph0]

I've mentioned this before in another thread, but I think it also might be considered "evidence" for this theory as well.

SOOOooo. How does the reaper-brat know that Shep has synthetic implants? I don't think the Catalyst even knew who the hell Shep was until they meet in the very end... So I figure that this is just another gaping plot-hole or this is just more proof that this entire scene is happening in Shep's mind.

Thoughts?

[Chrumpek]

spacefiddle wrote...

Chrumpek wrote...

Sidenote that prolly was somwhere among the lines of those 500 pages:

God child tells you that if you choose to destroy, it kills every synthethic life, even shepard since he got plenty of synth in him.

I did that and then I see my shepard breathing in the end movie... wha?

Yeah, even if this is all what I think it is... your only choice that gives even a hope of survival is choosing to murder the Geth you just helped to save

ID theory demands that this choice is counter-intuitive: with very, very little to go on, the player must suddenly decide that the game itself is not to be trusted.  I think this is a plausible explanation, but a poor design choice.  The player is not given enough alternate information to be able to come to this conclusion.  It's too rushed and abrupt.  If they wanted to go this route it could have been done SO much better.

tl;dr of the ID (Indoctrination) theory (well, one of them) is that, at the end there, none of that is exactly real.  You're on the ground, in London, hit by Harby's beam.  And what you experience after that is a last-ditch effort by Harby to indoctrinate Shepard.  So everything Godboi tells you is BS, and the choice he tries to warn you away from - Destroy the Reapers - is the right one.  It's what you came here to do.  It won't kill you OR the Geth: Godboi is lying.  Is, in fact, Harby.

And it goes further: control the Reapers.  Well, we just explained to TIM that this is impossible - but it's in Paragon Blue.  Good choice!

Destroy the Reapers is in Renegade Red, and further tied in with slaughtering the Geth, EDI and yourself.

Synthesis is a middle-ground where this falls apart, a little.  If it's Harby, not sure why he offers this at all instead of pushing Control more, but that question branches into MORE sub-theories.

Go read the ID theory post, the OP breaks down summaries of "leading theories."

(And I still think Shepard was the Catlyst all along!)

I have to add to this that, if your army isn't strong enough, you don't get the green option, thus harbrigner not finding you and your organic comrades worthy to join with them in the eternal, godlike life. That could explain some things.

Also red option would not only kill gethm EDI and shepard but also tons of other augmented people and aliens from what we hear the child say.

[Nazoa]

Dap Brannigan wrote...

This has probably been mentioned before, but the PC CE game box says you need "at least 15GB" of space. Mass Effect 3 only takes up 11.2 GB in my Origin Games folder right now.

Maybe Bioware thought we would make hundreds of saves?

[Icinix]

Elscotto1989 wrote...

so if casey hudson's only reply about the ending is that he didnt want it to be forgettable... i really hope he's just biding time otherwise...well you know...

The way he spoke about it.....


Gamers across the planet are hurling hell at BioWare for those endings.

..and he smirks and says a comment about players debating "what happens next."

They've got somehting up their sleeve...