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acidic-ph0 wrote...

I've mentioned this before in another thread, but I think it also might be considered "evidence" for this theory as well.

SOOOooo. How does the reaper-brat know that Shep has synthetic implants? I don't think the Catalyst even knew who the hell Shep was until they meet in the very end... So I figure that this is just another gaping plot-hole or this is just more proof that this entire scene is happening in Shep's mind.

Thoughts?


Prothean VI could sense indoctrination as shown with Kai Leng on thessia, this catalyst VI could sense synthethics and synth augments since it's purpsoe is to prevent synthethics from destroying the whole universe.

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New Theory: Collectors got you at start of ME2...and the entire series of ME2 and ME3 is their way of testing (via virtual world) if you are worthy of controlling the Reaper they built....

:o

Jokes aside, I like this indoctrination idea...I hope it pans out to be true.

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acidic-ph0 wrote...

I've mentioned this before in another thread, but I think it also might be considered "evidence" for this theory as well.

SOOOooo. How does the reaper-brat know that Shep has synthetic implants? I don't think the Catalyst even knew who the hell Shep was until they meet in the very end... So I figure that this is just another gaping plot-hole or this is just more proof that this entire scene is happening in Shep's mind.

Thoughts?


I figured that if the god child is Harbinger then he'd know about the implants since TiM is indoctrinated and was the one to bring Shepard back from the dead.

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Nazoa wrote...

Dap Brannigan wrote...

This has probably been mentioned before, but the PC CE game box says you need "at least 15GB" of space. Mass Effect 3 only takes up 11.2 GB in my Origin Games folder right now.



Maybe Bioware thought we would make hundreds of saves?:P


Haha well considering each save folder takes up half a MB, they were expecting us to make a lot more than hundreds.

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Teh Tux wrote...

Ona Demonie wrote...

Rulycar wrote...

New thoughts:

... PR stunt.
... Everything, and I mean EVERYTHING was the Prothean beacon on Eden Prime.
... You have been experiencing the war through the Prothean's eyes (ala ST:TNG "Innerlight").
... With this knowledge you can end the war, and the Prothean black box will show you the way.
... Players will get this post ME3 global launch either as free DLC or a series of paid DLC.
... We will get an updated ME1,
... which we can then play through to ME2, ME3, and finally the TRUE ending.

Hey, if I'm gonna dream ... I'm gonna dream big 8)

Biggest issue is "paid DLC". If BioWare says that the current endings were not finished, they sold consumers unfinished products. You paid $60-$100 (depending on your region) for a game that wasn't fully finished and now you must pay for the content that was supposed to be on the product at launch. That ruins BioWare's reputation.


The game does have a ending in its current state.
Its just the worst ending in the history of ever.

If it's paid DLC and marketed as an alternative ending (which is then taken as cannon later on)...
Lets just say many a fans will be pissed.

The indoctronation theory seems the most likely in my eyes, and "The Truth DLC" leak is the rumour that has renewed my hope in BioWare.






just read up on this leak about "the truth" and I have to say with the amount of leakage coming from bioware I'd say it seems legit 


The ending was half-assed because of the leak. They changed it at the last minute so they could have more time to prepare the real ending via DLC. 



its almost like they're punishing us for their mistakes. oh well with that leak I am a MUCH happier person...sadly none of this will bring back my scientist salarian :crying:

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Nazoa wrote...

Dap Brannigan wrote...

This has probably been mentioned before, but the PC CE game box says you need "at least 15GB" of space. Mass Effect 3 only takes up 11.2 GB in my Origin Games folder right now.



Maybe Bioware thought we would make hundreds of saves?:P


 There is a hard limit of 60 unique saves per career... Though if someone could bear through thirty play throughs...

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 Hope u are right (creator of this thread).

If this is right and they will make a dlc. Bioware is genial.

If nothing happen they make the worst ending of the history of games. I said that, because mass effect is a wonderful game and how u make something almost perfect and make a **** ending.

The ending have a lot of big holes, like people said.

1) If destroy the mass relays, how the planets (livings) didnt die They forgot the baterians ? Arrival ?

2) Ok. On that syntetic final. Shepard sacrifice and die bacause he have syntetic parts but edi is alive ? (not sure of this idea)

The game is great until the ending.
Like i said. Hope the creators of this history is too smart and are holding a dlc for a true ending or something like that. All my choices for what ? My romances for what ? For a **** ending. Great....

Even shepard alive (perfect ending) . So what ? This me3 wasnt the last one of shepard saga ? So ,how the hell can i have a final like that.

Sorry my bad typing. Learning english:O

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Nazoa wrote...

Dap Brannigan wrote...

This has probably been mentioned before, but the PC CE game box says you need "at least 15GB" of space. Mass Effect 3 only takes up 11.2 GB in my Origin Games folder right now.



Maybe Bioware thought we would make hundreds of saves?:P

Yeah that's a red herring, and i don't mean a renegade fish.  Space estimates for software will always be higher than what you see on your hdd.  Among other things, most games will make pagefiles, and therefore take up more space than the game files themsleves whilst running. 

Also, it's safe to pad up so when somoene goes "You said this only needed 11.2 GB of space, I have 11.3 GB and it's not running!" the support people won't have the urge to hurl themselves off tall buildings.

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spacefiddle wrote...

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Synthesis is a middle-ground where this falls apart, a little.  If it's Harby, not sure why he offers this at all instead of pushing Control more, but that question branches into MORE sub-theories.

Go read the ID theory post, the OP breaks down summaries of "leading theories."

(And I still think Shepard was the Catlyst all along!)


The best way to convince somebody to do be evil is to make them feel like they have a choice.

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I have to love this comment that someone left in response to one of the articles where Casey Hudson said he wanted the ending to be unforgettable, I lol'd

I hope his approach to dating wasn't "So long as it's memorable." Punching a date in the face and stealing her pocket book before feeling up her sister would end the date in a "memorable" fashion. Just not a good, respectful fashion... and definitely not one likely to generate another date.



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Nazoa wrote...

Dap Brannigan wrote...

This has probably been mentioned before, but the PC CE game box says you need "at least 15GB" of space. Mass Effect 3 only takes up 11.2 GB in my Origin Games folder right now.



Maybe Bioware thought we would make hundreds of saves?:P




My is 10GB.
It depends of language I think.

But still it's strange that when you right click on game in origin and chose "repair" theres a 13.8GB download appear for short time and then it changes to 10 GB.


Even if game need some GB for cache/temp files, 5 GB is too big for this.
????

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Martukis wrote...

Nazoa wrote...

Dap Brannigan wrote...

This has probably been mentioned before, but the PC CE game box says you need "at least 15GB" of space. Mass Effect 3 only takes up 11.2 GB in my Origin Games folder right now.



Maybe Bioware thought we would make hundreds of saves?:P


 There is a hard limit of 60 unique saves per career... Though if someone could bear through thirty play throughs...


Well, I did 30+ playthroughs of ME1, and 30+ playthroughs of ME2....

Challenge accepted.

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Lurchibald wrote...

I have to love this comment that someone left in response to one of the articles where Casey Hudson said he wanted the ending to be unforgettable, I lol'd

I hope his approach to dating wasn't "So long as it's memorable." Punching a date in the face and stealing her pocket book before feeling up her sister would end the date in a "memorable" fashion. Just not a good, respectful fashion... and definitely not one likely to generate another date.

I wouldn't worry too much about Mr. Hudson's actual mental state.  Everything he's said is pure spin, damage control, and buying time.  He's not really that dense, but he IS the employee of a large corporate entity, and they're kinda paranoid about who says what and when.  Sometimes with good reason, but all too frequently out of misguided ideas or plain ol' denial, or ego.

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Icinix wrote...

Elscotto1989 wrote...

so if casey hudson's only reply about the ending is that he didnt want it to be forgettable... i really hope he's just biding time otherwise...well you know...


The way he spoke about it.....


Gamers across the planet are hurling hell at BioWare for those endings.

..and he smirks and says a comment about players debating "what happens next."

They've got somehting up their sleeve...


if they dont then someone is either going to need a resingation or a pope-mobile to get groceries...i feel bad for them in april at the panel if things stay as is.

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So if this ends up being true. Can we agree the ending is brilliant and just isn't complete yet?

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I just thought of something as soon as Shepard gets hit by the reaper beam, when he comes back to consciousness they pan and show the reapers leaving the surface of earth ( i assume all since none tried to stop Shepard from getting up and going through the beam) so why didn't they just wait like 5 seconds to make sure no one got through the beam, when all they had to do was seriously sit there a little bit longer and just pick off everyone going towards it (shepard, anderson)?

Don't know if this has been covered before not reading through 516 pages to find out.

Modifié par hunt27, 15 mars 2012 - 05:54 .


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On Thessia, Javik comments "The Reapers turned our own children against us"

Could have multiple implications, but probably just what it sounds like.

Still, it's fun to imagine.

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spacefiddle wrote...

Lurchibald wrote...

I have to love this comment that someone left in response to one of the articles where Casey Hudson said he wanted the ending to be unforgettable, I lol'd

I hope his approach to dating wasn't "So long as it's memorable." Punching a date in the face and stealing her pocket book before feeling up her sister would end the date in a "memorable" fashion. Just not a good, respectful fashion... and definitely not one likely to generate another date.

I wouldn't worry too much about Mr. Hudson's actual mental state.  Everything he's said is pure spin, damage control, and buying time.  He's not really that dense, but he IS the employee of a large corporate entity, and they're kinda paranoid about who says what and when.  Sometimes with good reason, but all too frequently out of misguided ideas or plain ol' denial, or ego.


Haha, don't get me wrong, I'm not worried, I just thought that comment was hilarious :wizard:

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mgoss wrote...

So if this ends up being true. Can we agree the ending is brilliant and just isn't complete yet?

you would never agree that a car you paid for was awesome without an engine in it...so until everything is on the table i promise nothing.

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blooregard wrote...

sadly none of this will bring back my scientist salarian :crying:


Think about it like this:

The average salarian lifespan is 40 years.

The ME2 site says Mordin is 50.

Would you rather him go out lying in a hospital bed as old age finally gets the better of him, or have him go out like a god damned boss, as he did in ME3?

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mr.surv wrote...

Nazoa wrote...

Dap Brannigan wrote...

This has probably been mentioned before, but the PC CE game box says you need "at least 15GB" of space. Mass Effect 3 only takes up 11.2 GB in my Origin Games folder right now.



Maybe Bioware thought we would make hundreds of saves?:P




My is 10GB.
It depends of language I think.

But still it's strange that when you right click on game in origin and chose "repair" theres a 13.8GB download appear for short time and then it changes to 10 GB.


Even if game need some GB for cache/temp files, 5 GB is too big for this.
????


Haha that's very interesting.  I see it too.  It's funny that if you added another 3.8GB to my install it would be exactly 15GB.

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harbinger is battling shepard trough the whole game

(in the form of the kid) imo

also when he blast shep he doesn't kill him

and when you wake up he leaves i mean wtf why would he leave and let you get on the citadel?

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byne wrote...

Martukis wrote...

Nazoa wrote...

Dap Brannigan wrote...

This has probably been mentioned before, but the PC CE game box says you need "at least 15GB" of space. Mass Effect 3 only takes up 11.2 GB in my Origin Games folder right now.



Maybe Bioware thought we would make hundreds of saves?:P


 There is a hard limit of 60 unique saves per career... Though if someone could bear through thirty play throughs...


Well, I did 30+ playthroughs of ME1, and 30+ playthroughs of ME2....

Challenge accepted.


So did I. It's not the same thing.

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Lurchibald wrote...

spacefiddle wrote...

Lurchibald wrote...

I have to love this comment that someone left in response to one of the articles where Casey Hudson said he wanted the ending to be unforgettable, I lol'd

I hope his approach to dating wasn't "So long as it's memorable." Punching a date in the face and stealing her pocket book before feeling up her sister would end the date in a "memorable" fashion. Just not a good, respectful fashion... and definitely not one likely to generate another date.

I wouldn't worry too much about Mr. Hudson's actual mental state.  Everything he's said is pure spin, damage control, and buying time.  He's not really that dense, but he IS the employee of a large corporate entity, and they're kinda paranoid about who says what and when.  Sometimes with good reason, but all too frequently out of misguided ideas or plain ol' denial, or ego.


Haha, don't get me wrong, I'm not worried, I just thought that comment was hilarious :wizard:

so al'jilani is an ingame referal to his love life? ha i love this new false concept.

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mr.surv wrote...

Nazoa wrote...

Dap Brannigan wrote...

This has probably been mentioned before, but the PC CE game box says you need "at least 15GB" of space. Mass Effect 3 only takes up 11.2 GB in my Origin Games folder right now.



Maybe Bioware thought we would make hundreds of saves?:P




My is 10GB.
It depends of language I think.

But still it's strange that when you right click on game in origin and chose "repair" theres a 13.8GB download appear for short time and then it changes to 10 GB.


Even if game need some GB for cache/temp files, 5 GB is too big for this.
????


My hope is that it reads 13.8gb from Origin's server, and then does a check for which files it is allowed to download....

Edit: If there is another ending...I wonder if we can fool Origin into downloading the files :bandit:

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