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blooregard wrote...

byne wrote...

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sadly none of this will bring back my scientist salarian :crying:


Think about it like this:

The average salarian lifespan is 40 years.

The ME2 site says Mordin is 50.

Would you rather him go out lying in a hospital bed as old age finally gets the better of him, or have him go out like a god damned boss, as he did in ME3?




run tests on sea shells
discover salarian imortality
live forever
sing Gilbert and Sullivan


Kill Wrex in ME1
Destroy data in ME2
Sabotage cure in ME3
Persuade Mordin not to disperse cure
Mordin lives

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Skyblade012 wrote...

Hey, something to point out:

After you get hit by Harbinger's beam and all semblance of good storytelling goes out the window, there are a couple of other minor points I haven't seen mentioned.

Your pistol has infinite ammo. You can reload it, yes, but it never runs out of shots. I know, I fired 54 in a row before giving up. Never had to eject a thermal clip once.

Give that it uses thermal clips (because you can reload them), how is this possible, if it isn't in Shepard's head?

Also, anyone else notice that the only other time you walk as slowly as you do in that section is during the dream sequences?


This question/line of thought has been asked and answered more times than I care to count.

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Whybother wrote...

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But - no.  As I said earlier, the player should have a little more information going in that the game is no longer to be trusted.  It's ... i forget what it's called, but there's a literary no-no when, in a mystery story told in first person, it turns out the narrator did it.


Unreliable narrator.  Agatha Christie pulled it off famously.  Of course, she was Agatha Christie.  A few movies have done it as well.

If done, it can be great, but it (a) has to be done really well, and (B) tends to kill 'replay' value unless it is done really, really well.

so your saying its kinda like dragon age 2's format? gross but anythings better than nothing

Modifié par Elscotto1989, 15 mars 2012 - 06:16 .


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Interesting note here.....Mass Effect 3 Disc 1 and 2 combined is 14gb.... (13.89gb)

Modifié par Flammenpanzer, 15 mars 2012 - 06:19 .


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Flammenpanzer wrote...

Interesting note here.....Mass Effect 3 Disc 1 and 2 combined is 14gb.... (13.89gb)


This

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Flammenpanzer wrote...

Skyblade012 wrote...

Hey, something to point out:

After you get hit by Harbinger's beam and all semblance of good storytelling goes out the window, there are a couple of other minor points I haven't seen mentioned.

Your pistol has infinite ammo. You can reload it, yes, but it never runs out of shots. I know, I fired 54 in a row before giving up. Never had to eject a thermal clip once.

Give that it uses thermal clips (because you can reload them), how is this possible, if it isn't in Shepard's head?

Also, anyone else notice that the only other time you walk as slowly as you do in that section is during the dream sequences?


Did anyone see if there were other places to walk around in that scene? I never tried going back or around or anything...


You can walk back a little ways, but there is little to see.  There is a crashed Mako, some low res piles of bodies (similar to the one you pulled the specialty weapon out of back on the Collector Ship in ME2), to the sides, but to the rear, nothing except some broken glass and a very blurry background.

But you collapse, probably from blood loss, and get a critical mission failure within short order if you try retreating.

Modifié par Skyblade012, 15 mars 2012 - 06:22 .


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Little Lummo wrote...

Last night i also tweeted Jessica Merizan asking about the message you get on your datapad app from either Kaidan/Ash and what it could mean... And she didn't reply, when she has replied to all my other tweets to her.

It may be a glitch as others have said, but if it was at the start, it totally does not fit in with the rest of it, perhaps the glitch was that you were supposed to get it at the end, instead it gave it to some people at the beginning.

I still find this to be a strong piece of evidence IMO


which message is this? I finished my game and i didnt get anything further from anybody :(

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mr.surv wrote...

Flammenpanzer wrote...

Interesting note here.....Mass Effect 3 Disc 1 and 2 combined is 14gb.... (13.89gb)


This
Annnd 13.89GB is when we try to repair game, then it's 10GB.

I bet this 4GB are going to be decoded !



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mr.surv wrote...

Nazoa wrote...

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This has probably been mentioned before, but the PC CE game box says you need "at least 15GB" of space. Mass Effect 3 only takes up 11.2 GB in my Origin Games folder right now.



Maybe Bioware thought we would make hundreds of saves?:P




My is 10GB.
It depends of language I think.

But still it's strange that when you right click on game in origin and chose "repair" theres a 13.8GB download appear for short time and then it changes to 10 GB.


Even if game need some GB for cache/temp files, 5 GB is too big for this.
????


Does anyone own another game on Origin and can click "Repair Install" on that other game, in order to see if a larger download size shows up before it changes?

So Mass Effect 2 PC install before DLC was apparently about 14GB.  On the box it says 15GB exactly.  Skyrim says 7GB on the box and on my computer it's about 6GB.

ME3 says "at least 15GB".  I don't own another PC game that says "at least" for the space requirements.  I'm gonna do some wild reaching here and speculate that when the games were shipped they weren't sure yet what size the complete game was.

The discrepancy between "at least 15GB" and 11.2GB (on my computer) is quite a huge one.

Modifié par Dap Brannigan, 15 mars 2012 - 06:23 .


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mr.surv wrote...

mr.surv wrote...

Flammenpanzer wrote...

Interesting note here.....Mass Effect 3 Disc 1 and 2 combined is 14gb.... (13.89gb)


This
Annnd 13.89GB is when we try to repair game, then it's 10GB.

I bet this 4GB are going to be decoded !


Okay, anyone want to help sift through the data on the discs? I'm seeing what I can find...

edit: What doesn't belong? XD

Modifié par Flammenpanzer, 15 mars 2012 - 06:22 .


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slydfoxxy wrote...

Little Lummo wrote...

Last night i also tweeted Jessica Merizan asking about the message you get on your datapad app from either Kaidan/Ash and what it could mean... And she didn't reply, when she has replied to all my other tweets to her.

It may be a glitch as others have said, but if it was at the start, it totally does not fit in with the rest of it, perhaps the glitch was that you were supposed to get it at the end, instead it gave it to some people at the beginning.

I still find this to be a strong piece of evidence IMO


which message is this? I finished my game and i didnt get anything further from anybody :(


Supposedly some people have gotten a message from Ash saying the Doctors might allow her to see Shep that day, and telling Shep to hang in there after beating the game.

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Quick question for all you peeps, if Shepard was indoctrinated then why didn't the prothean VI recognize it when he accessed it on Thessia? Only when KL showed up did the VI say something was up?

What about Javik's ability to sense... wouldnt he have noticed it or at least had suspicions?

just ideas didnt read whole thread to see if someone brought this up?.... also maybe this was the exact reaction BW wanted... everyone making their own assumptions???? Right?


Why would a prothean VI recognise somebody that isn't indoctrinated as being indoctrinated?  Can you explain your thinking because I don't get the point... no offense

It's a slow process, the dreams, ext... but that isn't indoctrinated... What you saw after you got up in london was the process... We didn't see Shepard indoctrinated yet.  Thet depends on the choices you make.. It depends on your crusible.. your test of will as you climb the reaper so to speak.  That would be as headcannon or DLC or ME4 if they continue the timeline.

If shepard is indoctrinated then that would indicate We would have a differnt charicter on this timeline and could end up having to kill Shepard.  Or none of this matters and it's just headcannon, day dreams.

Speculating about a timeline that bioware killed would suck.. but the idea of them dropping the battle with the reapers.. seems unlikely.. just like killing them all in one game.. 

By stepping a charicter back to a fresh first time novice.. they could streach things out.  With shepard retierment / indoctrination it gives a tie in... start a new charicter.. get attached.. get your resolution with shepard.. ext

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My ME3 is 12.3GB, but that contains all of the N7DDE content (soundtrack, artbooks, comic, lithograph). Ignoring that content it drops back to 10.5 GB

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Guys, one more thing i realized now... the secret ending,,, Th e Stargazer.... What's the man that all trought mass effect 2 IS a STAR GAZER??? OMG, it's TIM... the Illusive Man, always gazing a star, now, pay atention the way the old man speaks,,, guys... it IS the Illusive Man...

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mr.surv wrote...

mr.surv wrote...

Flammenpanzer wrote...

Interesting note here.....Mass Effect 3 Disc 1 and 2 combined is 14gb.... (13.89gb)


This
Annnd 13.89GB is when we try to repair game, then it's 10GB.

I bet this 4GB are going to be decoded !


Playing on pc here. I also noticed this, but if they release a patch to do this will I have to put in my disc(s) and reinstall it?(knowing that nobody has an answer and asks anyway)  Cause that just seems a little bit wierd to me.

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byne wrote...

slydfoxxy wrote...

Little Lummo wrote...

Last night i also tweeted Jessica Merizan asking about the message you get on your datapad app from either Kaidan/Ash and what it could mean... And she didn't reply, when she has replied to all my other tweets to her.

It may be a glitch as others have said, but if it was at the start, it totally does not fit in with the rest of it, perhaps the glitch was that you were supposed to get it at the end, instead it gave it to some people at the beginning.

I still find this to be a strong piece of evidence IMO


which message is this? I finished my game and i didnt get anything further from anybody :(


Supposedly some people have gotten a message from Ash saying the Doctors might allow her to see Shep that day, and telling Shep to hang in there after beating the game.


I thought that was one gotten at the start, during the first cut scenes, or that ist was from when they were in the hopsital. ive seen it around. must investigate.

Modifié par slydfoxxy, 15 mars 2012 - 06:25 .


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Flammenpanzer wrote...

mr.surv wrote...

mr.surv wrote...

Flammenpanzer wrote...

Interesting note here.....Mass Effect 3 Disc 1 and 2 combined is 14gb.... (13.89gb)


This
Annnd 13.89GB is when we try to repair game, then it's 10GB.

I bet this 4GB are going to be decoded !


Okay, anyone want to help sift through the data on the discs? I'm seeing what I can find...

edit: What doesn't belong? XD



I already lurked all the files on discs and found nothing.
I think undecoded files are on disc 1 in package but I don't know how I can open it since it's not rar file.

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Flavius_Costa wrote...

Guys, one more thing i realized now... the secret ending,,, Th e Stargazer.... What's the man that all trought mass effect 2 IS a STAR GAZER??? OMG, it's TIM... the Illusive Man, always gazing a star, now, pay atention the way the old man speaks,,, guys... it IS the Illusive Man...


Martin Sheen can voice act his way around that guy 500 times then proceed to verbally rape him with his awesome voice.

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Flammenpanzer wrote...

Interesting note here.....Mass Effect 3 Disc 1 and 2 combined is 14gb.... (13.89gb)



on my xbox I think its closer to 15 gb might be because of from ashes idk

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simfamSP wrote...

Flavius_Costa wrote...

Guys, one more thing i realized now... the secret ending,,, Th e Stargazer.... What's the man that all trought mass effect 2 IS a STAR GAZER??? OMG, it's TIM... the Illusive Man, always gazing a star, now, pay atention the way the old man speaks,,, guys... it IS the Illusive Man...


Martin Sheen can voice act his way around that guy 500 times then proceed to verbally rape him with his awesome voice.


Stargazer is voiced by Buzz Aldrin, the second man on the moon.  I think that epilogue was just a vehicle for that and people read way too much into interpreting it in the context of the game. 

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simfamSP wrote...

Flavius_Costa wrote...

Guys, one more thing i realized now... the secret ending,,, Th e Stargazer.... What's the man that all trought mass effect 2 IS a STAR GAZER??? OMG, it's TIM... the Illusive Man, always gazing a star, now, pay atention the way the old man speaks,,, guys... it IS the Illusive Man...


Martin Sheen can voice act his way around that guy 500 times then proceed to verbally rape him with his awesome voice.



....It's Buzz Aldrin.

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mr.surv wrote...

Flammenpanzer wrote...

mr.surv wrote...

mr.surv wrote...

Flammenpanzer wrote...

Interesting note here.....Mass Effect 3 Disc 1 and 2 combined is 14gb.... (13.89gb)


This
Annnd 13.89GB is when we try to repair game, then it's 10GB.

I bet this 4GB are going to be decoded !


Okay, anyone want to help sift through the data on the discs? I'm seeing what I can find...

edit: What doesn't belong? XD



I already lurked all the files on discs and found nothing.
I think undecoded files are on disc 1 in package but I don't know how I can open it since it's not rar file.


Yeah, I noticed that file format too.

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simfamSP wrote...

Flavius_Costa wrote...

Guys, one more thing i realized now... the secret ending,,, Th e Stargazer.... What's the man that all trought mass effect 2 IS a STAR GAZER??? OMG, it's TIM... the Illusive Man, always gazing a star, now, pay atention the way the old man speaks,,, guys... it IS the Illusive Man...


Martin Sheen can voice act his way around that guy 500 times then proceed to verbally rape him with his awesome voice.


Actually star gazer is voiced by buzz aldrin.

#12949
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slydfoxxy wrote...

simfamSP wrote...

Flavius_Costa wrote...

Guys, one more thing i realized now... the secret ending,,, Th e Stargazer.... What's the man that all trought mass effect 2 IS a STAR GAZER??? OMG, it's TIM... the Illusive Man, always gazing a star, now, pay atention the way the old man speaks,,, guys... it IS the Illusive Man...


Martin Sheen can voice act his way around that guy 500 times then proceed to verbally rape him with his awesome voice.



....It's Buzz Aldrin.


Being an astronaut does not make one a good actor

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Dap Brannigan wrote...

simfamSP wrote...

Flavius_Costa wrote...

Guys, one more thing i realized now... the secret ending,,, Th e Stargazer.... What's the man that all trought mass effect 2 IS a STAR GAZER??? OMG, it's TIM... the Illusive Man, always gazing a star, now, pay atention the way the old man speaks,,, guys... it IS the Illusive Man...


Martin Sheen can voice act his way around that guy 500 times then proceed to verbally rape him with his awesome voice.


Stargazer is voiced by Buzz Aldrin, the second man on the moon.  I think that epilogue was just a vehicle for that and people read way too much into interpreting it in the context of the game. 


Damn theres a lot of people on here, to quick.