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kaotician wrote...

spacefiddle wrote...

Chrumpek wrote...

Sidenote that prolly was somwhere among the lines of those 500 pages:

God child tells you that if you choose to destroy, it kills every synthethic life, even shepard since he got plenty of synth in him.

I did that and then I see my shepard breathing in the end movie... wha?

Yeah, even if this is all what I think it is... your only choice that gives even a hope of survival is choosing to murder the Geth you just helped to save

ID theory demands that this choice is counter-intuitive: with very, very little to go on, the player must suddenly decide that the game itself is not to be trusted.  I think this is a plausible explanation, but a poor design choice.  The player is not given enough alternate information to be able to come to this conclusion.  It's too rushed and abrupt.  If they wanted to go this route it could have been done SO much better.

tl;dr of the ID (Indoctrination) theory (well, one of them) is that, at the end there, none of that is exactly real.  You're on the ground, in London, hit by Harby's beam.  And what you experience after that is a last-ditch effort by Harby to indoctrinate Shepard.  So everything Godboi tells you is BS, and the choice he tries to warn you away from - Destroy the Reapers - is the right one.  It's what you came here to do.  It won't kill you OR the Geth: Godboi is lying.  Is, in fact, Harby.

And it goes further: control the Reapers.  Well, we just explained to TIM that this is impossible - but it's in Paragon Blue.  Good choice!

Destroy the Reapers is in Renegade Red, and further tied in with slaughtering the Geth, EDI and yourself.

Synthesis is a middle-ground where this falls apart, a little.  If it's Harby, not sure why he offers this at all instead of pushing Control more, but that question branches into MORE sub-theories.

Go read the ID theory post, the OP breaks down summaries of "leading theories."

(And I still think Shepard was the Catlyst all along!)


I like most of this theory, the trouble is that it just makes no sense overall since effectively you're saying that Harby, with no reason to do so whatsoever, offers Shepherd a 'pick a card, any card' option, one of which includes his own destruction, and all the other Reapers too. Why would he do that? It's just crazy.


Noo, it's ideas, the destroy option doesn't actually destroy anything ('cause Shep is passed out on earth) It's the IDEA that Shep hasn't lost sight of the true goal, which is to destroy the reapers.

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TheGoddess0fWar wrote...

The Truth DLC rumored to be released April/May?

i hope this isnt a muckety muck being a d-bag for a laugh...

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http://www.reddit.com/tb/qx3mg

Some of these tweets have been posted before, but i think the tweet in the top middle is kinda... good to see

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The thing that seems odd about that "leaked" truth DLC is the new character things they show. On the right is a Krogan Battlemaster and an Asari Justicar. Thing is, those are both already labeled as 2 of the classes, and "battlemaster" and "justicar" are just skills to add the level up points into. Just seemed strange to me.

Or you never know they could put everything into its own class.
Batarian Quad-Eyed BattleRaisin anyone?

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so if all that part was all in sheps head, does that mean the war is still going on?
sorry if this has been answered couldn't read everything

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Thermorium wrote...

http://www.reddit.com/tb/qx3mg

Some of these tweets have been posted before, but i think the tweet in the top middle is kinda... good to see


such a tease! But now I definately think something is coming!

Btw, wouldn't it be awesome if there WAS indeed an ending DLC... and then it turned out to be even worse? ;)

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mutermath wrote...

so if all that part was all in sheps head, does that mean the war is still going on?
sorry if this has been answered couldn't read everything


Actually yes. But the breath scene was pretty quite for a warzone.

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Hope Giant Bomb and other sites did their research. Considering the source of "The Truth" (4chan), I'm stick to being skeptical at this point.

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Elscotto1989 wrote...

TheGoddess0fWar wrote...

The Truth DLC rumored to be released April/May?

i hope this isnt a muckety muck being a d-bag for a laugh...


Source hasn't been verified and the original post was made in 4chan.

Dunno if that changes the verity of the "statement" but it's nice to keep in mind.

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Dessalines wrote...

Could it be just be bad writing and a case of Idon'tgivecrapitis? I mean the overall plot is basically the Dragon Age: Origins plot. The only thing that changes is the emotional connection that you only get from the scenes that you had with your crew. Grunt staying back to the Rachni is a cool scene, because you have a history with Grunt. If not it just a Krogan. Even the Reapers are just the darkspawn? There are different darkspawn base on the different races like they are different Reapers base on the different races. The find the war asset mini quest is just like in  Dragon Age 2 when they have you running around to find  objects and returning them back to people. They just wrap all the quests together.
If there is no indoc theory, then it is case of bad writing and a casw of Idon'tgivecrapitis.
Right now, I am thinking Dragon Age 3 is that you are going to be recruited by the Illusive Morrigan to break into the Grand Chantry in Orlais and the main quest will only be 29 hours long. Mass Effect 4 will be that you fled your planet after the Reaper, and rose to be the ruler of the Terminus system.

Does that mean that in Mass Effect 4 Vega will have been implanted with the memory shard of Javik and become psychotic, blowing up Omega? And will Tali become a super spectre even if you got her killed in ME2 or ME3? Also Giana Parsini should be a romanceble squad mate who stole a sacred flash drive from the Yahg.

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variobunz wrote...

mutermath wrote...

so if all that part was all in sheps head, does that mean the war is still going on?
sorry if this has been answered couldn't read everything


Actually yes. But the breath scene was pretty quite for a warzone.

what about opening the citadel?
all that in sheps head?
Damn bioware mind ****ed us :lol:

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Maybe if you have an ending where your Shep doesn't take a breath at the end.

When/if a Truth DLC comes out, in those games you play as your LI or maybe Anderson, and you need to Defeat an Indoctrinated and/or Reaper Shepard?

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Elscotto1989 wrote...

TheGoddess0fWar wrote...

The Truth DLC rumored to be released April/May?

i hope this isnt a muckety muck being a d-bag for a laugh...

It is false. They already said they were releasing more multiplayer content.  If he was able to see the game, then why are there no video shots from the game. When the person leaked the ending on the internet, he posted the pictures of the Normady crashed on the planet. On a business side, they would not call it "The Truth". Basically, you are telling people you sold them a lie, You ever notice how Bioware goes out the way to state this and that is not a cannon, but blah..blah.
Where are the screenshots to all this stuff he is talking about?
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Sajuro wrote...

Dessalines wrote...

Could it be just be bad writing and a case of Idon'tgivecrapitis? I mean the overall plot is basically the Dragon Age: Origins plot. The only thing that changes is the emotional connection that you only get from the scenes that you had with your crew. Grunt staying back to the Rachni is a cool scene, because you have a history with Grunt. If not it just a Krogan. Even the Reapers are just the darkspawn? There are different darkspawn base on the different races like they are different Reapers base on the different races. The find the war asset mini quest is just like in  Dragon Age 2 when they have you running around to find  objects and returning them back to people. They just wrap all the quests together.
If there is no indoc theory, then it is case of bad writing and a casw of Idon'tgivecrapitis.
Right now, I am thinking Dragon Age 3 is that you are going to be recruited by the Illusive Morrigan to break into the Grand Chantry in Orlais and the main quest will only be 29 hours long. Mass Effect 4 will be that you fled your planet after the Reaper, and rose to be the ruler of the Terminus system.

Does that mean that in Mass Effect 4 Vega will have been implanted with the memory shard of Javik and become psychotic, blowing up Omega? And will Tali become a super spectre even if you got her killed in ME2 or ME3? Also Giana Parsini should be a romanceble squad mate who stole a sacred flash drive from the Yahg.


We also all know that the star-brat is Morrigan's demon baby.

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Bunzmaster wrote...

Maybe if you have an ending where your Shep doesn't take a breath at the end.

When/if a Truth DLC comes out, in those games you play as your LI or maybe Anderson, and you need to Defeat an Indoctrinated and/or Reaper Shepard?

that would be very emotional

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Bunzmaster wrote...

Maybe if you have an ending where your Shep doesn't take a breath at the end.

When/if a Truth DLC comes out, in those games you play as your LI or maybe Anderson, and you need to Defeat an Indoctrinated and/or Reaper Shepard?


That would be good if you chose Control/Synthesis. It would be highly emotional though, and I don't think I could do that.

I don't see how anyone could choose one of those options, though. It goes against everything Shepard is.

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mutermath wrote...

Bunzmaster wrote...

Maybe if you have an ending where your Shep doesn't take a breath at the end.

When/if a Truth DLC comes out, in those games you play as your LI or maybe Anderson, and you need to Defeat an Indoctrinated and/or Reaper Shepard?

that would be very emotional


I know, right?! ;)

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BringBackNihlus wrote...

Bunzmaster wrote...

Maybe if you have an ending where your Shep doesn't take a breath at the end.

When/if a Truth DLC comes out, in those games you play as your LI or maybe Anderson, and you need to Defeat an Indoctrinated and/or Reaper Shepard?


That would be good if you chose Control/Synthesis. It would be highly emotional though, and I don't think I could do that.

I don't see how anyone could choose one of those options, though. It goes against everything Shepard is.


My Paragon Shepard wouldn't choose those options.... But my D-bag Shepard would probably choose control in a heartbeat! B)

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Auresta wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

Dessalines wrote...

Could it be just be bad writing and a case of Idon'tgivecrapitis? I mean the overall plot is basically the Dragon Age: Origins plot. The only thing that changes is the emotional connection that you only get from the scenes that you had with your crew. Grunt staying back to the Rachni is a cool scene, because you have a history with Grunt. If not it just a Krogan. Even the Reapers are just the darkspawn? There are different darkspawn base on the different races like they are different Reapers base on the different races. The find the war asset mini quest is just like in  Dragon Age 2 when they have you running around to find  objects and returning them back to people. They just wrap all the quests together.
If there is no indoc theory, then it is case of bad writing and a casw of Idon'tgivecrapitis.
Right now, I am thinking Dragon Age 3 is that you are going to be recruited by the Illusive Morrigan to break into the Grand Chantry in Orlais and the main quest will only be 29 hours long. Mass Effect 4 will be that you fled your planet after the Reaper, and rose to be the ruler of the Terminus system.

Does that mean that in Mass Effect 4 Vega will have been implanted with the memory shard of Javik and become psychotic, blowing up Omega? And will Tali become a super spectre even if you got her killed in ME2 or ME3? Also Giana Parsini should be a romanceble squad mate who stole a sacred flash drive from the Yahg.


We also all know that the star-brat is Morrigan's demon baby.

What if Mass Effect 3 ends that your Shepard has to sleep with Liara or destroying the Reapers will make Shep's soul aslpode, and in Mass Effect 4 Benezia turns into a giant thresher maw to save the protaganist from the Reaper Spawn.

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either we've all witnessed a giant experiment or they just fail at writing.

I 100% believe the indoctrination theory is true.

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Thermorium wrote...

http://www.reddit.com/tb/qx3mg

Some of these tweets have been posted before, but i think the tweet in the top middle is kinda... good to see



Is it just me or does that sound a little bit like "Keep making up theories, we might make one of those canon"? At the very least, she doesn't shoot anything down, and not only because she doesn't want to spoiler.

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 http://www.reddit.com/tb/qx3mg

Some of these tweets have been posted before, but i think the tweet in the top middle is kinda... good to see

Was just gonna doublepost this so more people see this

Modifié par Thermorium, 15 mars 2012 - 09:13 .


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BringBackNihlus wrote...

Bunzmaster wrote...

Maybe if you have an ending where your Shep doesn't take a breath at the end.

When/if a Truth DLC comes out, in those games you play as your LI or maybe Anderson, and you need to Defeat an Indoctrinated and/or Reaper Shepard?


That would be good if you chose Control/Synthesis. It would be highly emotional though, and I don't think I could do that.

I don't see how anyone could choose one of those options, though. It goes against everything Shepard is.

Actually my first shep only got the control option. lol

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As a paragon, I definitely chose Synthesis the first time around, the reasoning being "I didn't work this hard to bring the Quarians and Geth peace just to kill the Geth. Joker will also be upset".

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@JessicaMerizan don't you think its depressing that people hate the ending so much they grasp onto crazy conspiracies like indoctrination?

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@KRUUUNCH no. I've read TONS of the theories and I think they're well researched and interesting. But I also enjoy literary analysis...


"Well researched". Now, that doesn't sound like it's just an interpretation.