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[Earthborn_Shepard]

Wouldn't it be awesome to find out that we have been 100% correct and interpreted everything correctly?

[Auresta]

JulienJaden wrote...

@JessicaMerizan don't you think its depressing that people hate the ending so much they grasp onto crazy conspiracies like indoctrination?

Jessica Merizan ‏ @JessicaMerizan
@KRUUUNCH no. I've read TONS of the theories and I think they're well researched and interesting. But I also enjoy literary analysis...


"Well researched". Now, that doesn't sound like it's just an interpretation.

You're reading too much into words, imo. I would have used the same words even if I knew nothing about the real endings. We have some pretty solid evidence here but that's not to say we are right, not yet.

But it's nice to see her somewhat on our side.

[Auresta]

Thermorium wrote...

 http://www.reddit.com/tb/qx3mg

Some of these tweets have been posted before, but i think the tweet in the top middle is kinda... good to see

Was just gonna doublepost this so more people see this

At one point, someone tweeted about having to pay for the real dlc/end dlc and she replied back saying something along the lines of "don't take my word for it, but that's not the intention." She promptly deleted it afterwards so Idk what it means.

[noobcannon]

kaotician wrote...

spacefiddle wrote...

Chrumpek wrote...

Sidenote that prolly was somwhere among the lines of those 500 pages:

God child tells you that if you choose to destroy, it kills every synthethic life, even shepard since he got plenty of synth in him.

I did that and then I see my shepard breathing in the end movie... wha?

Yeah, even if this is all what I think it is... your only choice that gives even a hope of survival is choosing to murder the Geth you just helped to save

ID theory demands that this choice is counter-intuitive: with very, very little to go on, the player must suddenly decide that the game itself is not to be trusted.  I think this is a plausible explanation, but a poor design choice.  The player is not given enough alternate information to be able to come to this conclusion.  It's too rushed and abrupt.  If they wanted to go this route it could have been done SO much better.

tl;dr of the ID (Indoctrination) theory (well, one of them) is that, at the end there, none of that is exactly real.  You're on the ground, in London, hit by Harby's beam.  And what you experience after that is a last-ditch effort by Harby to indoctrinate Shepard.  So everything Godboi tells you is BS, and the choice he tries to warn you away from - Destroy the Reapers - is the right one.  It's what you came here to do.  It won't kill you OR the Geth: Godboi is lying.  Is, in fact, Harby.

And it goes further: control the Reapers.  Well, we just explained to TIM that this is impossible - but it's in Paragon Blue.  Good choice!

Destroy the Reapers is in Renegade Red, and further tied in with slaughtering the Geth, EDI and yourself.

Synthesis is a middle-ground where this falls apart, a little.  If it's Harby, not sure why he offers this at all instead of pushing Control more, but that question branches into MORE sub-theories.

Go read the ID theory post, the OP breaks down summaries of "leading theories."

(And I still think Shepard was the Catlyst all along!)

I like most of this theory, the trouble is that it just makes no sense overall since effectively you're saying that Harby, with no reason to do so whatsoever, offers Shepherd a 'pick a card, any card' option, one of which includes his own destruction, and all the other Reapers too. Why would he do that? It's just crazy.

just because you choose the destroy option during the dream does not mean he's letting you destroy them. it's all an illusion.

[Bfler]

What I would like is, when everything is hallucination and depending on your color-choice you either:

1.red choice: You fight with your team against Harbinger or an other Reaper boss.

2.blue choice: You play as Shepards LI or a member with an high friendship value and have to convince or kill a controlled Shepard to defeat the Reapers.

3.green choice: Shepard is the only one with a free will and you have to find a way to convince your team members (and the other non synthetics) to overcome the suppression of their will by the new non human part.

Modifié par Bfler, 15 mars 2012 - 09:32 .

[Sajuro]

Bfler wrote...

What I would like is, when everything is hallucination and depending on you mental color-choice you either:

1.red choice: fight with your team against Harbinger or an other Reaper boss.
2.blue choice: play as Shepards LI or one with a high friendship value and have to convince or kill a controlled Shepard to defeat the Reapers.
3.green choice: Shepard is the only one with a free will and you have to find a way to convince your team members (and the other non synthetics) to overcome the suppression of their will by the new non human part.

I would like it if choosing the other two resulted in new dialogue for Shepard like "The Illusive Man is right, controlling the Reapers is the only way we can save everyone." or "We can reach the highest peak of evolution, the strengths of both organic and synthetic, the weaknesses of neither!" and you had to fight against the indoctrination through interrupts and blue or red dialogue resulting in the option to kill yourself if it gets too bad.

[Lugaidster]

Bunzmaster wrote...

Lotarion wrote...

I mean this is the biggest plot hole right next to "alive Shepard" and "mass relays blowing up". Joker had to return on earth, take your crew and run from the battle - all that in about what? 5 minutes? Plus I saw a youtube film where you can actually see dead Garrus lying on the ground after the beam (low EWS) and still see him again in Normandy after the crash. So the fact that it is so large plothole AND it almost always happens is like Bioware saying us "HEY, HEY LOOK!!! SOMETHING IS NOT RIGHT HERE!"

True.  OR! It could be a design oversight?

With all the bugs in this game, I wouldn't be surprised if it was just sloppiness.

Bugs are an unintended consequence of complex software development. They are usually random and unforseen. Sloppiness requires intention, and it is usually obvious. The game wasn't sloppy in any way before the end, hence it should not be expected to be sloppy in the end.

[fieryace]

So here's something I've been thinking about since I finished the game a few days ago. Everyone that hasn't liked the endings has pointed out that the endings are so similar. And honestly this makes no sense for the end of the games, especially since BW promised us different endings. On the other hand, having almost identical endings makes PERFECT sense if your intention is to continue the story.
Assuming that there will be more after the current ending, it seems like the most important thing to take from the ending would be the things that overlap. Which of these actually matter also changes depending on whether the Indoctrination theory is true, or if the current ending was intended to be exactly as it seems.
A short list:
Anderson is dead.
TIM is dead.
The citadel is destroyed.
The relays are destroyed.
Shepard is dead(ish?).
The Normandy has crashed.
At least some of the crew has survived.
Some cryptic Old Dude likes to tell stories about "The Shepard".

It seems like any following story would need to conform only to these events. Unless, of course, it turns out that Shepard was Indoctrinated.

Modifié par fieryace, 15 mars 2012 - 09:47 .

[CptData]

mutermath wrote...

so if all that part was all in sheps head, does that mean the war is still going on?
sorry if this has been answered couldn't read everything

Not necessarily. The Crucible and the Citadel (and the Catalyst - the CCC so to speak) could have worked without Shepard's influence. For instance, it just emited a signal that forces the Reapers to leave for another 50k years. Shepard's involvement was never needed, but the war is over.

Dunno if the Mass Relays are gone in that scenario. However, it doesn't matter. If BW wants to make a new ME, they need to get the galaxy in a defined state. And that means: Reapers are gone, either got destroyed or retreated to dark space. Thessia is destroyed and most homeworlds are damaged. 
Quarians & Geth won't play a big role in next ME since both can be destroyed, so don't expect them to return - or they might grant only some extra missions. Krogans will still be there, genophage or not, after all, it was some kind of birth control, not meant to do a genocide.
Lets say, maybe you can import a ME3 save - for the great picture like which race survived.

However, the synthesis ending doesn't work if BW wants to set the galaxy to a certain state.

Lets say, the easiest way for BW is to retcon the endings and Shepard's final decision. Since it already feels like a nightmare / indoctrination, it shouldn't be too difficult. Especially if Shepard is seen alive after the destruction ending PLUS half of the fandom is demanding some explanation.

[VanDex]

 Sometimes Jessica Merizan's tweets appear to offer tiny slivers of hope for the theory, but I'm pretty sure that most of the time she's trying to encourage people to look for the (non-existent?) differences in the multi-coloured endings and to push the idea that the game itself and not the literal finale of the third game is the promised ending of the trilogy that shows the effects of your actions throughout the three games.

Edit: She also seems to suggest that the relays were not really destroyed or at least that their destruction wasn't as violent as in Arrival.

Modifié par VanDex, 15 mars 2012 - 09:47 .

[Goddy10]

"The Truth" rumor has made the front page of Gamefront:

http://www.gamefront...h-due-in-april/

[kent80082006]

It's old, but for those who haven't seen it yet

http://img.gawkerass...ng/original.png

Modifié par kent80082006, 15 mars 2012 - 09:56 .

[arkhine]

Monochrome Wench wrote...

The ending likes to give you LI + one of your squad mates in the final mission.

I took Garrus and Liara. Chose destroy, who came out was Joker, Ash (LI) and James.

[SomeoneStoleMyName]

Gah... nothing super new lately. We out of fuel?

[CptData]

Goddy10 wrote...

"The Truth" rumor has made the front page of Gamefront:

http://www.gamefront...h-due-in-april/

I believe it when I'm downloading the stuff ... so ... no cigar so far.

I stay with the "it's all a dream" idea until BW says something different - or changes the endings via DLC.

[CptData]

arkhine wrote...

Monochrome Wench wrote...

The ending likes to give you LI + one of your squad mates in the final mission.

I took Garrus and Liara. Chose destroy, who came out was Joker, Ash (LI) and James.

I had Ashley and Liara (who made it to one of my faves in ME3 - despite the fact I didn't like her in ME2) in the final mission. Ash was my LI and came out of the Normandy, but the second squadmate was Vega. And it makes sense - if the game counts the amount of hours you spend with certain characters on the field, Vega got most time. Garrus is the next one on the list ...

[R3MUS]

I dont think the ending was an hallucination.

But i wonder why The Illusive man was damaged? Who hurt him?

[Earthborn_Shepard]

If you mean his face, that was Reaper tech. In the cerberus base you can see a vid where he asks a doctor to implant him with Reaper stuff.

[YoItsThomas]

Sajuro wrote..

What if Mass Effect 3 ends that your Shepard has to sleep with Liara or destroying the Reapers will make Shep's soul aslpode, and in Mass Effect 4 Benezia turns into a giant thresher maw to save the protaganist from the Reaper Spawn.

I have absolutely no problem sleeping with Liara
I am a little cautious of her parents tho.. Haha
But dunno how Benezia would make a return in Mass Effect 4
I'd gladly welcome Shep's and Liara's romance to continue with about the half dozen or so blue little children we plan on having xP hahaha sorry I should be posting that in a Liara thread lol

[killnoob]

CptData wrote...



However, the synthesis ending doesn't work if BW wants to set the galaxy to a certain state.

You're wrong.

The evidences are all there, you just gotta believee.

[Kulin]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Wouldn't it be awesome to find out that we have been 100% correct and interpreted everything correctly?

It would be awesome but i don't think this is going to happen. This thread is like every conspiracy theory:

1. you wish so hard that there is something more, that you see "things" and "facts" everywhere.

2. You reinterprete normal, simple explainable things until they fit into your argumentation.

Typical behaviour for every conspiration theorist! 

Modifié par Kulin, 15 mars 2012 - 10:24 .

[killnoob]

Kulin wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Wouldn't it be awesome to find out that we have been 100% correct and interpreted everything correctly?

It would be awesome but i don't think this is going to happen. This thread is like every conspiracy theory:

1. you wish so hard that there is something more, that you see "things" and "facts" everywhere.

2. You reinterprete normal, simple explainable things until they fit into your argumentation.

Typical behaviour for every conspiration theorist! 

Facts are for puzzies.

Real men stick to fiction.

[BalooTheBear]

CptData wrote...

arkhine wrote...

Monochrome Wench wrote...

The ending likes to give you LI + one of your squad mates in the final mission.

I took Garrus and Liara. Chose destroy, who came out was Joker, Ash (LI) and James.

I had Ashley and Liara (who made it to one of my faves in ME3 - despite the fact I didn't like her in ME2) in the final mission. Ash was my LI and came out of the Normandy, but the second squadmate was Vega. And it makes sense - if the game counts the amount of hours you spend with certain characters on the field, Vega got most time. Garrus is the next one on the list ...

Strangely I took Tali and Garrus (my LI) and they were probably the two I took out the most.

At the end I got Joker, Garrus and Javik. No idea why!

[R3MUS]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

If you mean his face, that was Reaper tech. In the cerberus base you can see a vid where he asks a doctor to implant him with Reaper stuff.

Yeah, i saw that video. But i thought that video was like some weeks old? Like when the Reapers arrived at the Galaxy?

Illusive man still looks normal when he talks with Shepard in his own room.

And then when you arrive at the Citadel it looks like a bomb went off at the Illusive Mans face.

Maybe the indotrication and implants started removing his skin. The more indoctrinated/corrupted he became.

[Earthborn_Shepard]

R3MUS wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

If you mean his face, that was Reaper tech. In the cerberus base you can see a vid where he asks a doctor to implant him with Reaper stuff.

Yeah, i saw that video. But i thought that video was like some weeks old? Like when the Reapers arrived at the Galaxy?

Illusive man still looks normal when he talks with Shepard in his own room.

And then when you arrive at the Citadel it looks like a bomb went off at the Illusive Mans face.

Maybe the indotrication and implants started removing his skin. The more indoctrinated/corrupted he became.

Hmmm.. yeah actually that's a good question.... never noticed that! It has to mean something.. either the increasing corruption or an indication for indoc