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[TobiTobsen]

nvm

Modifié par TobiTobsen, 15 mars 2012 - 11:00 .

[JasonTan87]

Photoshopped.

[TobiTobsen]

JasonTan87 wrote...

Photoshopped.

Hm... okay. Nevermind.

[Rifneno]

kingsims wrote...

We already know control is bad because that is TIM wanted all along. Its just not worth it, eventually Shepard will lose his grip unless he sends every single reaper into the galactic core and hope they get ripped apart by the sheer forces of black holes.

The Shepard that destroyed the collector base has no intention of letting the reapers live since he had no qualms about killing thousands of people and the collectors etc.

No, we don't know control is bad.  The only reason it would be bad is if it wasn't what we were lead to believe: that the Reapers become slaves of Shepard's will.  IF it did do that, it'd potentionally be better than destroying them.  I'm not a believer of the theory that power always corrupts.  It often does but not always.  If someone truly had complete control of the Reapers they could bring about a golden age with it.  Imagine those things patrolling colonies and ask yourself how many slavers and pirates are going to try their crap then.

The problem is that controlling the Reapers is unrealistic.  And the opponents of the theory that think starchild is actually being honest do really think that that ending lets Shepard have complete control of them.  It's the "bad" ending because it doesn't do that.  And it doesn't do that because this is an indoctrination attempt.

[Flapperrr]

SomeoneStoleMyName wrote...

Thought I'd upload this pic from when Anderson says "They are controlling YOU"

He puts emphasis on YOU.  He doesent look at the Illusive man but straight at the player.

Dunno about you guys but I got chills down my spine when I realized this.

i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn239/XVVV/TheyarecontrollingYOU.jpg

GAH WHY CANT I LINK THE IMAGE DIRECTLY!?

Isnt the code [img| link [/img| ?

Somehow to me not on itself became...

[Sheparded]

The illusive mans eyes change to normal after you shot him........

at 10.50

[Rifneno]

JasonTan87 wrote...

Photoshopped.

LOL.  My bad, I stupidly thought people wouldn't lie about checking.  If anyone credible wants to check, feel free.

[TheEllms]

Problem with indoctrinated theory: The Prothean VI on Thessia (I think it was called Vendetta) seemed to be able to detect that Kai Leng was indoctrinated. Wouldn't it have said something if Shepard was indoctrinated?
If that was the case then could Vendetta have fed Shepard false information?

[Kulin]

Rifneno wrote...
No, we don't know control is bad.  The only reason it would be bad is if it wasn't what we were lead to believe: that the Reapers become slaves of Shepard's will.  IF it did do that, it'd potentionally be better than destroying them.  I'm not a believer of the theory that power always corrupts.  It often does but not always.  If someone truly had complete control of the Reapers they could bring about a golden age with it.  Imagine those things patrolling colonies and ask yourself how many slavers and pirates are going to try their crap then.

The problem is that controlling the Reapers is unrealistic.  And the opponents of the theory that think starchild is actually being honest do really think that that ending lets Shepard have complete control of them.  It's the "bad" ending because it doesn't do that.  And it doesn't do that because this is an indoctrination attempt.

There is also a problem in THIS argument, which has been seen thousands of times in this conspiracy threads:

Why should the child LIE to you when he talks about control but don't lie to you when he talks about destroying the reapers.

You can't say you are going to be betrayed in this option but everything is ok with the other options. IF the destruction things work we also have to assume that the controlling thing works. If the child is a bad reaper it would lie to you in EVERY option, not only in this one.

Modifié par Kulin, 15 mars 2012 - 11:11 .

[Smiley556]

TheEllms wrote...

Problem with indoctrinated theory: The Prothean VI on Thessia (I think it was called Vendetta) seemed to be able to detect that Kai Leng was indoctrinated. Wouldn't it have said something if Shepard was indoctrinated?
If that was the case then could Vendetta have fed Shepard false information?

Really, this question again? I'm getting so tired of answering it.
Kai Leng was indoctrinated, shepard was not. Infact, shepard is never indoctrinated if you choose the destroy option at the end. He only becomes indoctrinated if you choose control or synthesis.
The reason the prothean VI didnt detect shepard as being indoctrinated is because shepard was not indoctrinated when confronting the prothean VI. Its really that simple.

[Elanor]

Smiley556 wrote...

TheEllms wrote...

Problem with indoctrinated theory: The Prothean VI on Thessia (I think it was called Vendetta) seemed to be able to detect that Kai Leng was indoctrinated. Wouldn't it have said something if Shepard was indoctrinated?
If that was the case then could Vendetta have fed Shepard false information?

Really, this question again? I'm getting so tired of answering it.
Kai Leng was indoctrinated, shepard was not. Infact, shepard is never indoctrinated if you choose the destroy option at the end. He only becomes indoctrinated if you choose control or synthesis.
The reason the prothean VI didnt detect shepard as being indoctrinated is because shepard was not indoctrinated when confronting the prothean VI. Its really that simple.

It's simple and makes sense.

[CptData]

Smiley556 wrote...

SomeoneStoleMyName wrote...

Gah... nothing super new lately. We out of fuel?

It was a solid theory 5 days ago. TBH I'm starting to dislike this thread because of all the horrible grasping at emergency induction ports that seems to be going on. Seriously, the screenshots with circles around a mako and a row of circles on the citadel, constant linking to tweets that have absolutely no meaning, the whole 1m1 thing etc. I'm pretty happy understanding the ending as it is (a hallucination). All these wild conspiracy details only discredit our cause. I mean I support it fully and I even find many of these tiny interpreted details retarded. Thinking up of more of this stuff is just fuel to be used against us.

Didn't jump the train either.

Think it's quite obvious Shepard's dreaming / hallucinating - eiher 'caused by the shock of nearly getting killed or s/he is dying and can only come back when picking the "right" decision.

Fact one: the radioman tells no one made it to the beam. Shepard's still alive (?) and moves on. When Shepard is looking around, s/he can't see any other living person. Still, after getting warped to the Citadel, Anderson is there already and TIM.
Okay, ignore TIM, maybe he was in the Citadel already ...

Fact two: the blurred screen & voices - which simply feel like a dream. You can say it also displays Shepard's shock after nearly getting killed. So it's a "semi-fact".

Fact three: when having the showdown with TIM and Anderson, Shepard autoshoots Anderson plus has a dark-blurred vision. Either it symbolizes indoctrination, a nightmare-influence, an attempt of TIM to take control or all together. It definitely fortifies the idea something is wrong ... it hints Shepard's is making all up in his/her mind.

Fact four: the final confrontation and decision. C'mon ... the entire sequence feels pretty much surreal.

Fact five: The fate of the Normandy. Think I don't need to go into that one. It happens only in Shepard's mind to comfort him/her. What are the most important things in Shepard's life? The Normandy, his/her friends and the LI. And Shepard's mind (while his/her body is slowly dying) can't accept they're dead too - and try to make up some stuff to ensure they survive. The Normandy's fate is Shepard's "headcanon" ...

[Rifneno]

Kulin wrote...

There is also a problem in THIS argument, which has been seen thousands of times in this conspiracy threads:

Why should the child LIE to you when he talks about control but don't lie to you when he talks about destroying the reapers.

You can't say you are going to be betrayed in this option but everything is ok with the other options. IF the destruction things work we also have to assume that the controlling thing works. If the child is a bad reaper it would lie to you in EVERY option, not only in this one.

He DOES lie to you in every way.  Control = indoctrination.  Synth = indoctrination.  Destroy = he claims it'll destroy all synthetic life, very heavily implies that includes Shepard, and says it'll eventually lead to the complete destruction of ALL organic life FOREVER.  All we see is the Reapers drop dead, and if your EMS is high enough we get the "Shepard alive" scene.

[Earthborn_Shepard]

I always wondered why Kai Leng was indoctrinated... he wasn't in the book Retribution.. so when did it start and why? Okay he got implants, but were those Reaper tech?

[TobiTobsen]

Rifneno wrote...

JasonTan87 wrote...

Photoshopped.

LOL.  My bad, I stupidly thought people wouldn't lie about checking.  If anyone credible wants to check, feel free.

That was an reaction to the pic I posted Rif. Not directed at you. :happy:

[Kulin]

Smiley556 wrote...
Really, this question again? I'm getting so tired of answering it.
Kai Leng was indoctrinated, shepard was not. Infact, shepard is never indoctrinated if you choose the destroy option at the end. He only becomes indoctrinated if you choose control or synthesis.

Im sorry, but this sounds VERY "fabricated" to fit into this argumentation chain.

Why should the reapers allow to destroy them in any way when they can just let you die on the citadel? The indoctrination theory only works correctly if you have already been indoctrinated BEFORE you are going up to the citadel. Then there would be a chance that all you see is just a construct of your mind and your fight against the reaper control.

[DangerSandler]

True, it doesnt have to be indoctrination at all. It could simply be that Shepard was dreaming during the time he was knocked unconscious after he got gibbed by Harbinger.

[Flapperrr]

Rifneno wrote...



This is the thing you use for the control ending. Look at those pillars between the electricity. Got a good look? Okay.



End_Choice_BadA_01.

Since we already had a fake of a similar image, don't take my word for it. Go download UE Viewer, it's freeware, and check for yourselves.

I cannot wait to hear the theory opponents explain this.

There is an analog on synthesis and destruction?

[Rifneno]

TobiTobsen wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

JasonTan87 wrote...

Photoshopped.

LOL.  My bad, I stupidly thought people wouldn't lie about checking.  If anyone credible wants to check, feel free.

That was an reaction to the pic I posted Rif. Not directed at you. :happy:

Oh.  Apologies all round then.  I thought he was saying I PS'd the "bad ending" shot.  Bothered me since I think it's really significant they actually labeled that thing internally as the bad choice.

[Exterminians]

I don't know if this mate with this theory or if it is boware's bug. But if you shoot(without weapons in your hands) you can listen the sound. ¿Are you uncoinsciously firing a real gun? I mean you are shooting when SHepard is awakening after de reaper laser

PS: sorry for my awful english

Modifié par Exterminians, 15 mars 2012 - 11:20 .

[TobiTobsen]

Rifneno wrote...

TobiTobsen wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

JasonTan87 wrote...

Photoshopped.

LOL.  My bad, I stupidly thought people wouldn't lie about checking.  If anyone credible wants to check, feel free.

That was an reaction to the pic I posted Rif. Not directed at you. :happy:

Oh.  Apologies all round then.  I thought he was saying I PS'd the "bad ending" shot.  Bothered me since I think it's really significant they actually labeled that thing internally as the bad choice.

Anything regarding the other two ends you can find out like that? Maybe use the power cords that you shot in the destroy ending? Would be interesting if they have a different label than the "end_choice_bad" pillars in the control end.

Modifié par TobiTobsen, 15 mars 2012 - 11:21 .

[Sheparded]

The illusive mans eyes change to normal after you shot him........

at 10.50

Anyone think this means anything?

[Bobrzy]

Kulin wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Wouldn't it be awesome to find out that we have been 100% correct and interpreted everything correctly?

It would be awesome but i don't think this is going to happen. This thread is like every conspiracy theory:

1. you wish so hard that there is something more, that you see "things" and "facts" everywhere.

2. You reinterprete normal, simple explainable things until they fit into your argumentation.

Typical behaviour for every conspiration theorist! 

That's the point man - it's more difficult to explain the ending as we know now, than to imagine indoctrination theory to be true. Too many loopholes and things that make absolutely NO SENSE (Joker running for example). Ind theory fits better, than the real ending, sad but true.

[Elanor]

Exterminians wrote...

I don't know if this mate with this theory or if it is boware's bug. But if you shoot(without weapons in your hands) you can listen the sound. ¿Are you uncoinsciously firing a real gun? I mean you are shooting when SHepard is awakening after de reaper laser

PS: sorry for my awful english

Eeee, when you dreaming you can do many things including shooting, and you will hear the sound of it, won't you?

[Sajuro]

Kulin wrote...

Smiley556 wrote...
Really, this question again? I'm getting so tired of answering it.
Kai Leng was indoctrinated, shepard was not. Infact, shepard is never indoctrinated if you choose the destroy option at the end. He only becomes indoctrinated if you choose control or synthesis.

Im sorry, but this sounds VERY "fabricated" to fit into this argumentation chain.

Why should the reapers allow to destroy them in any way when they can just let you die on the citadel? The indoctrination theory only works correctly if you have already been indoctrinated BEFORE you are going up to the citadel. Then there would be a chance that all you see is just a construct of your mind and your fight against the reaper control.

The Reapers are in the process of taking control of your mind on the citadel, the destroy option acts as Shepard's will to fight.