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[Elanor]

Sheparded wrote...

The illusive mans eyes change to normal after you shot him........

at 10.50

Anyone think this means anything?

I think this means he's dead. I believe that reapers after killing them stop lighting too.

[Shepard Wins]

Sheparded wrote...

The illusive mans eyes change to normal after you shot him........

at 10.50

Anyone think this means anything?

Yeah. It means he got space magicked.

[Earthborn_Shepard]

DUDE WHAT
http://w11.zetaboard...13032&t=7688087
DAFUQ

[VanDex]

 Thought I'd post my messages from the datapad app since they seem to conflict with some of the things people have posted over the recent pages. Why is it that the "hang on" message comes from Tali (never romanced her) and it's not the last? Also, what does Miranda refer to? If it's about Cerberus base, nothing really happened to him there.

Edit: Damn, says "image removed" for some reason, so here's a direct link

http://dl.dropbox.co...3822908/ME3.PNG

Modifié par VanDex, 15 mars 2012 - 11:33 .

[Damien Nightwind]

Wow, that is ALOT to read through. But one thing i disagree on is that Shepard isnt wearing armor after the blast by the laser. When i played it it actually looked like Shepard's armor had been destroyed and partially melted because it didnt look like clothes, it actually looked more like something had been melted onto the body.

As for the indoctrination of Shepard, while that is possible, what the Illusive Man did wasnt exactly indoctrination. Remember he was trying to control the reapers, the reapers cant be indoctrinated. His study was on husks and how they were controlled by the reapers, the reapers didnt control the husks by indoctrination. Them controlling the husks was more like a remote control car. Dont ask me how the Illusive Man controlled Shepard and Anderson with that though, unless it was through some implants they had.

Also just curious, but why are those two options greyed out when talking to the illusive man? The ones that say "But you already have." and "The you've failed humanity." I had pretty much max paragon and they were still greyed out, why even show up if you cant choose them? Far as i remember if you didnt have enough reputation either way then the option didnt show up for you, at least in any other conversation.

Modifié par Damien Nightwind, 15 mars 2012 - 11:42 .

[AofTS]

I noticed that after being lasered by Harby Shepard heard major Coats commanding to fall back to the buildings, but we can't see him anywhere. And he sounds like some voice in the dream. Maybe a hint for destroy ending where Shepard is alive.

[VanDex]

AofTS wrote...

I noticed that after being lasered by Harby Shepard heard major Coats commanding to fall back to the buildings, but we can't see him anywhere. And he sounds like some voice in the dream. Maybe a hint for destroy ending where Shepard is alive.

But he wasn't part of the run, was he? As of his voice, I'm pretty sure radio connection didn't go anywhere, so you just hear him talking there.

[Sajuro]

Damien Nightwind wrote...

Wow, that is ALOT to read through. But one thing i disagree on is that Shepard isnt wearing armor after the blast by the laser. When i played it it actually looked like Shepard's armor had been destroyed and partially melted because it didnt look like clothes, it actually looked more like something had been melted onto the body.

As for the indoctrination of Shepard, while that is possible, what the Illusive Man did wasnt exactly indoctrination. Remember he was trying to control the reapers, the reapers cant be indoctrinated. His study was on husks and how they were controlled by the reapers, the reapers didnt control the husks by indoctrination. Them controlling the husks was more like a remote control car. Dont ask me how the Illusive Man controlled Shepard and Anderson with that though, unless it was through some implants they had.

Indoctrination works by Reaper nanites if I'm not mistaken along with the sound signal.

[YoItsThomas]

Sajuro wrote..

How Benezia would make a return?
Biotics.
and Rachni memory
but Biotics.

How would bioics resurrect Benezia?
And you can choose to kill off the rachni in mass effect 1 and 3

[Kurokenshi]

The thing I really hate about these theories is that it gives you hope. What if the endings we got are the intended endings? But I am interested to see how all this plays out over the next few weeks.

[Earthborn_Shepard]

I just noticed that in the beginning of the game, the kid is really ALWAYS standing right next to a Warning or Caution sign. No way this could have been ANYTHING else than intentional, it happens at least 4 times. Also, it just appears out of nowhere and starts running towards the building..

[Valk72]

VanDex wrote...

 Thought I'd post my messages from the datapad app since they seem to conflict with some of the things people have posted over the recent pages. Why is it that the "hang on" message comes from Tali (never romanced her) and it's not the last? Also, what does Miranda refer to? If it's about Cerberus base, nothing really happened to him there.

Edit: Damn, says "image removed" for some reason, so here's a direct link

http://dl.dropbox.co...3822908/ME3.PNG

That's just incredibly supsicious!

[Lugaidster]

Kurokenshi wrote...

The thing I really hate about these theories is that it gives you hope. What if the endings we got are the intended endings? But I am interested to see how all this plays out over the next few weeks.

I know it gives *me* hope, but what about you. Does it give *you* hope?

[Valk72]

Kulin wrote...

Rifneno wrote...
No, we don't know control is bad.  The only reason it would be bad is if it wasn't what we were lead to believe: that the Reapers become slaves of Shepard's will.  IF it did do that, it'd potentionally be better than destroying them.  I'm not a believer of the theory that power always corrupts.  It often does but not always.  If someone truly had complete control of the Reapers they could bring about a golden age with it.  Imagine those things patrolling colonies and ask yourself how many slavers and pirates are going to try their crap then.

The problem is that controlling the Reapers is unrealistic.  And the opponents of the theory that think starchild is actually being honest do really think that that ending lets Shepard have complete control of them.  It's the "bad" ending because it doesn't do that.  And it doesn't do that because this is an indoctrination attempt.

There is also a problem in THIS argument, which has been seen thousands of times in this conspiracy threads:

Why should the child LIE to you when he talks about control but don't lie to you when he talks about destroying the reapers.

You can't say you are going to be betrayed in this option but everything is ok with the other options. IF the destruction things work we also have to assume that the controlling thing works. If the child is a bad reaper it would lie to you in EVERY option, not only in this one.

In accordance to the indoctrination theory, i think he is just lying to us all the way...

[Lugaidster]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

I just noticed that in the beginning of the game, the kid is really ALWAYS standing right next to a Warning or Caution sign. No way this could have been ANYTHING else than intentional, it happens at least 4 times. Also, it just appears out of nowhere and starts running towards the building..

Besides the airduct one, what other warnings are there?

[Icinix]

Lugaidster wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

I just noticed that in the beginning of the game, the kid is really ALWAYS standing right next to a Warning or Caution sign. No way this could have been ANYTHING else than intentional, it happens at least 4 times. Also, it just appears out of nowhere and starts running towards the building..

Besides the airduct one, what other warnings are there?

http://social.biowar...5/index/9946363 

[Earthborn_Shepard]

Lugaidster wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

I just noticed that in the beginning of the game, the kid is really ALWAYS standing right next to a Warning or Caution sign. No way this could have been ANYTHING else than intentional, it happens at least 4 times. Also, it just appears out of nowhere and starts running towards the building..

Besides the airduct one, what other warnings are there?

When the kid is at the shuttle, he's standing right under a "Caution" sign.

Here's a post with screenshots: http://social.biowar...46363/1#9946363

EDIT: Damn, too slow.

Modifié par Earthborn_Shepard, 15 mars 2012 - 11:52 .

[Bigdoser]

Sheparded wrote...

The illusive mans eyes change to normal after you shot him........

at 10.50

Oh snap your right. 

[VanDex]

Lugaidster wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

I just noticed that in the beginning of the game, the kid is really ALWAYS standing right next to a Warning or Caution sign. No way this could have been ANYTHING else than intentional, it happens at least 4 times. Also, it just appears out of nowhere and starts running towards the building..

Besides the airduct one, what other warnings are there?

"Danger" on the tail on the shuttle with the kid standing right next to it. Same thing with "Caution" next to the shuttle's door right where the kid is standing again. Somebody else pointed out that the same shuttles you have on normandy don't have the caution thing there. Still, I suppose those are just incredibly neat conicidences and Bioware woul never have thought of all that.

[DarkFire77777]

Hey everybody! I haven't looked at this forum since yesterday after noon (EST Time). Any news/tweets worth mentioning from Bioware? Any new developments to the theory?

Thanks!

[Kulin]

Rifneno wrote...
He DOES lie to you in every way.  Control = indoctrination.  Synth = indoctrination.  Destroy = he claims it'll destroy all synthetic life, very heavily implies that includes Shepard, and says it'll eventually lead to the complete destruction of ALL organic life FOREVER.  All we see is the Reapers drop dead, and if your EMS is high enough we get the "Shepard alive" scene.

But there is no proof that he lies. Its just a part of the indoctrination theory. 

But you are right. If he lies and if he is only a picture of your mind who is trying to visualize your inner conflict while trying to break the indoctrination, this would be right.

BUT there is a MAJOR logical flaw in this indoctrination theory. This flaw is found in the BAD endings. When you have very low EMS shepard is ALWAYS going to destroy the earth or with a little bit more EMS the reapers. You only get the decision to control the reapers or synthese with the reapers when you have high EMS.

So why should a indoctrinated shepard with a WEAK fleet and WEAK friends on his side always select the RIGHT thing to do?

Modifié par Kulin, 15 mars 2012 - 11:57 .

[MysticFred]

At the risk of getting yelled at . .

What if the whole game is the ending? You see the results of your actions from ME1 & 2 throughout the game, and you do get a sense of closure for your past actions.
That still leaves the last 15 min unanswered but, I believe that's actually the beginning for something new, and not "the ending".

Be gentle please, just another idea.

[Thermorium]

MysticFred wrote...

At the risk of getting yelled at . .

What if the whole game is the ending? You see the results of your actions from ME1 & 2 throughout the game, and you do get a sense of closure for your past actions.
That still leaves the last 15 min unanswered but, I believe that's actually the beginning for something new, and not "the ending".

Be gentle please, just another idea.

The first thing that comes to mind would be Rannoch, the Quarians only just "reconquered" it (depending on how you play). There is no closure as to what will happen to the quarian people now that they finally have a "home" again.

[Icinix]

Kulin wrote...

Rifneno wrote...
He DOES lie to you in every way.  Control = indoctrination.  Synth = indoctrination.  Destroy = he claims it'll destroy all synthetic life, very heavily implies that includes Shepard, and says it'll eventually lead to the complete destruction of ALL organic life FOREVER.  All we see is the Reapers drop dead, and if your EMS is high enough we get the "Shepard alive" scene.

But there is no proof that he lies. Its just a part of the indoctrination theory. 

But you are right. If he lies and if he is only a picture of your mind who is trying to visualize your inner conflict while trying to break the indoctrination, this would be right.

BUT there is a MAJOR logical flaw in this indoctrination theory. This flaw are the BAD endings. When you have very low EMS shepard is ALWAYS going to destroy the earth or with a little bit more EMS the reapers. You only get the decision to control the reapers or synthese with the reapers when you have high EMS.

So why should a indoctrinated shepard with a WEAK fleet and WEAK friends on his side always select the RIGHT thing?

Think about it! 

The Destroy ending with a high EMS doesn't just destroy Earth - its a fair assumption that wave of destruction is from every relay. Normandy is dead when it gets hit. Earth is dead when it gets hit. I would dare say every planet hit by that wave is dead.

Also - in order for the Reapers to take control - Shep needs to believe the Reapers or believe himself to die. As the EMS gets stronger, and Sheps belief is higher, Shep starts to doubt the Destroy ending being as final as the ghost implies. So they try to trick Shep, tempt shep with options that might waiver his resolve.

[VanDex]

MysticFred wrote...

At the risk of getting yelled at . .

What if the whole game is the ending? You see the results of your actions from ME1 & 2 throughout the game, and you do get a sense of closure for your past actions.
That still leaves the last 15 min unanswered but, I believe that's actually the beginning for something new, and not "the ending".

Be gentle please, just another idea.

Pretty much the same idea

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