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[Earthborn_Shepard]

Sheparded wrote...

http://imgur.com/yZ0Ft

lol

...cleverbot knows something...

[Ona Demonie]

njfluffy19 wrote...

njfluffy19 wrote...

Shepard's Dream Whispers:

www.youtube.com/watch

Quoting because I think this is interesting.

Whisper from another dream: "Some die in battle, some in their sleep, and some for no reason".

[Icinix]

VirtualAlex wrote...

I can't read this whole thread obviously but I have never seen this evidence posted.

This is the the first game in which dreams are introduced which opens the door for dreams to happen when you don't expect. Also in every dream Shepard has the child is present. I would consider this a dream sign. Further evidence that the ending is a dream.

Yeah - I couldn't figure out why we had the dream sequences on my first playthrough. I thought they were weak and kept thinking "I don't care about this kid, whats this all about."

But as a device to make you aware you can expect the dream sequences and a warning almost - they start to make sense to their implentation into the game.

[Ona Demonie]

arkhine wrote...

SomeoneStoleMyName wrote...

PIC OF SHEPARD IN RUINS

http://i305.photobuc...VVV/Shepard.jpg

Can someone help me explain if number 1 or 2 is true? I cant seem to pinpoint if shepard lies downwards or upwards. I always thought what may be the eye of a helmet was his lower and upper teeth , lying downwards.

I believe that is his chest. Soldiers wear their dogtags around their neck and his is hanging off his neck in this screenshot. 

The rubble looks mighty like the Citadel though.

The Citadel wasn't built using concrete.

[Golferguy758]

Will warn you guys if you play through again. Be careful of confirmation bias. Not everything you see will be a reference to indoctrination. Don't go off the deep end looking for signs that aren't there

[Spectre-61]

luukee wrote...

I don't know if anyone else has noticed this but whenever you kill the husks or the maruader after Harbinger's blast, their bodies just vanish. I can't remember bodies just disappearing anywhere else in the game after you've defeated them (or maybe I wasn't paying attention)

They disappear eventually, but not that fast, though.

[njfluffy19]

Ona Demonie wrote...

njfluffy19 wrote...

njfluffy19 wrote...

Shepard's Dream Whispers:

www.youtube.com/watch

Quoting because I think this is interesting.

Whisper from another dream: "Some die in battle, some in their sleep, and some for no reason".

I'll have to play with subtitles next time... it's nearly impossible to tell what the heck they're saying without them. So much echo/whispering effect.

[njfluffy19]

variobunz wrote...

luukee wrote...

I don't know if anyone else has noticed this but whenever you kill the husks or the maruader after Harbinger's blast, their bodies just vanish. I can't remember bodies just disappearing anywhere else in the game after you've defeated them (or maybe I wasn't paying attention)

They disappear eventually, but not that fast, though.

Is it possible to die from them? Apparently Shepard's bullets improve because he/she instakills them.

[Kulin]

Icinix wrote...

Kulin wrote...

Icinix wrote...

Kulin wrote...

Rifneno wrote...
He DOES lie to you in every way.  Control = indoctrination.  Synth = indoctrination.  Destroy = he claims it'll destroy all synthetic life, very heavily implies that includes Shepard, and says it'll eventually lead to the complete destruction of ALL organic life FOREVER.  All we see is the Reapers drop dead, and if your EMS is high enough we get the "Shepard alive" scene.

But there is no proof that he lies. Its just a part of the indoctrination theory. 

But you are right. If he lies and if he is only a picture of your mind who is trying to visualize your inner conflict while trying to break the indoctrination, this would be right.

BUT there is a MAJOR logical flaw in this indoctrination theory. This flaw are the BAD endings. When you have very low EMS shepard is ALWAYS going to destroy the earth or with a little bit more EMS the reapers. You only get the decision to control the reapers or synthese with the reapers when you have high EMS.

So why should a indoctrinated shepard with a WEAK fleet and WEAK friends on his side always select the RIGHT thing?

Think about it! 

The Destroy ending with a high EMS doesn't just destroy Earth - its a fair assumption that wave of destruction is from every relay. Normandy is dead when it gets hit. Earth is dead when it gets hit. I would dare say every planet hit by that wave is dead.

Also - in order for the Reapers to take control - Shep needs to believe the Reapers or believe himself to die. As the EMS gets stronger, and Sheps belief is higher, Shep starts to doubt the Destroy ending being as final as the ghost implies. So they try to trick Shep, tempt shep with options that might waiver his resolve.

Please don't mix up the facts. Our base assumption is the indoctrination theory. This means shepard is NOT on the citadel. He is just dreaming that he is going up there. In his dream he is fighting the indoctrination. The theory is: by selecting the path to destroy the reapers Shepard is destroying the indoctrination and wakes up on earth.

Not mixing up the facts - I'm saying he is dreaming - its a battle of wills, for the Reapers to take full control either A) Shep has to agree with them or Believe he is dead anyway and going to sacrifice everything to kill them.

Ok, i got your idea. You think he is trying to do the right thing but is not strong enough to break the indoctrination. The question is then: why does he choose with low EMS automatically the potential right way and is with a stronger mind able to choose a wrong way. I still think this makes it harder for him, not easier. Also think about the 2800-4000 EMS Range. You have 3 choices but you are going to fail with everyone. You are not going to survive.

So basically it means: you get more lies, more choices but fail with everything. But i get the idea behind it. The stronger your mind the bigger the reaper effort for the hallucination influence. With low EMS they just eat up your mind with ease, whatever you do. With high ems they start to bring some story.

But is this a better explanation than that the child is speaking the truth? i still like the idea behind this thought. In the theory of probabilities, nearly EVERYTHING is possible and nearly EVERYTHING will be real somewhere, at some times. Just think about a universe with trillions of being. If one in 100.000 Years builds a AI that is strong enough to destroy everything its enough to get the "chaos" the child described. The probability of this is not so low as it sounds. The idea of the Terminator films is not just fiction. We have to think about the fact that we are able to build artifical intelligence and life. And this life is potentially stronger than us. Probably not today, probably not in hundred years. But how strong could such a VI be if its build with the tech of the mankind in about thousand years?

Basically the  inperfect mind of the humans builds a mind that has no flaws at all. Any restrictions are useless since one little bug in the code of this VI can destroy this restrictions and send the VI on rampage. I think this thought is not only not wrong but highly possible. And its a much better idea for a ending than a conspiration theory that ends in the fact that the reapers are just the devils without much brain as they look at mass effect 1 and 2. I think its better if there is a real reason for the doings of the reapers than just - if you boil it down - a fight between good and bad.

My question is basically why is it easier for him to make the right decision if the EMS is lower and even easier if its the lowest.

Until 1750 EMS you have one choice and destroy the earth. Until 2800 EMS you have two choices and can destroy or control the reapers without destroying them. There are 3 choices if you have more than 2800 ems.

Think about it. Why is the decision EASIER if you have low EMS.

Im sorry, this does not work. If its only a dream and the EMS shows Shepards and his friends' "READYNESS" it must be easier for shepard to make the right decision, not harder by getting more story background(and potential lies) and more choices.

And I offered a theory that as Sheps belief grows (no matter your character, they seem to behave as though they don't believe the crucible is the end - but as the game goes on, belief grows) - they gain confidence they can win and its not all for nothing. Lower EMS means less belief, less hope, Shep believes they are dead either way. End. Of. Line. Reapers take control.

But by taking the destroy option when Shep believes (high EMS), Shep believes Earth will be saved, Sheps friends will be saved - perhaps even a slim chance Shep can survive.

I'm suggesting the EMS value itself is tied into Sheps belief. Low EMS = low belief, indoctrination. High EMS = High belief, fights indoctriation utnil the end.

This sounds a little bit fabricated, like many parts of the indoctrination theory arguments! But lets think about anyway!

So basically everything below 4000 EMS or the selection of control or synthesis is a end with a indoctrinated shepard. Poor normal players(like me)! Whatever they do, they are going to loose! I did every quest in the game but wasn't able to break the 4000 anyway. Do you really think a normal game designer would design such a ending? I think it would be even a worse ending than the current because it means you can only "win" the game if you play multiplayer or if you are a freak who is able to find 100% of the assets, solve every quest and bring every decision to a perfect end!

Modifié par Kulin, 15 mars 2012 - 01:13 .

[Icinix]

 BWAHAHAHAHHAA 




You wanted proof. There it is.

[mr.surv]

any words from Japan?

[LolaLei]

njfluffy19 wrote...

Ona Demonie wrote...

njfluffy19 wrote...

njfluffy19 wrote...

Shepard's Dream Whispers:

www.youtube.com/watch

Quoting because I think this is interesting.

Whisper from another dream: "Some die in battle, some in their sleep, and some for no reason".

I'll have to play with subtitles next time... it's nearly impossible to tell what the heck they're saying without them. So much echo/whispering effect.

Has anyone extracted the audio files of the whispers during the dream sequences and the whispers you hear when confronting TiM for the last time? If someone could do that I'm sure we could work out what they're saying.

[Spectre-61]

njfluffy19 wrote...

variobunz wrote...

luukee wrote...

I don't know if anyone else has noticed this but whenever you kill the husks or the maruader after Harbinger's blast, their bodies just vanish. I can't remember bodies just disappearing anywhere else in the game after you've defeated them (or maybe I wasn't paying attention)

They disappear eventually, but not that fast, though.

Is it possible to die from them? Apparently Shepard's bullets improve because he/she instakills them.

Never tried. And with instakills you mean one shot kill or what?

[njfluffy19]

What is Cleverbot?

[IronsteffL]

I can't believe how anyone can flat out deny the dream/indoctrination-theory. The obvious dreams in the game were something new for Mass Effect and I don't believe seeing Shep and Kid burning side by side was the whole point of those sequences. The appearance of the exact same kid in the ending just HAS to mean something more important.

[zoidberg241]

Can anyone post comparison images for the Wintersun-Starchild background and the Stargazer talking to the child scene? I can't do it on my iPad

[Aurion56]

Hi all,
I've been trying to keep up with the rampant pace of this thread for the past few days, and I figured I'd contribute something I noticed when poking around in one of the PCC files earlier.

http://i1265.photobu...n56/Oddity2.jpg

Whether this has been noticed before or not, it may not be damning evidence one way or another, but it at least provides something more to discuss. Which, let's face it, is all we can really do until whatever the embargo date Bioware has put up on any news has passed.

(Edit: removed HTML code that didn't seem to work. Feel free to link directly if you feel inclined!)

Modifié par Aurion56, 15 mars 2012 - 01:15 .

[njfluffy19]

variobunz wrote...

Never tried. And with instakills you mean one shot kill or what?

Yeah.

[VanDex]

The dream whispers have subtitles. As far as I remember, all of them consist of certain important phrases different characters drop at some stages of the game. Or are you all talking of some other whispers?

[Icinix]

Cleverbot says;

Is the ending of Mass Effect 3 fake?Freedom.
Would you say Mass Effect 3 has the real ending to come?Yes!



BWAHAHAH ! GOLD!

Edit: Wheres my damn formatting going??

Modifié par Icinix, 15 mars 2012 - 01:18 .

[njfluffy19]

VanDex wrote...

The dream whispers have subtitles. As far as I remember, all of them consist of certain important phrases different characters drop at some stages of the game. Or are you all talking of some other whispers?

Really? I don't recognize a lot of the things they whisper besides the obvious "Shepard".

[arkhine]

njfluffy19 wrote...
The Citadel isn't concrete though. It's a station.

Ugh man why the crap did I type Citadel? I meant EARTH 

[Spectre-61]

njfluffy19 wrote...

variobunz wrote...

Never tried. And with instakills you mean one shot kill or what?

Yeah.

I don't have that. Have to shot a couple of times.

[Kulin]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Just watched the dream scenes again and noticed how always when the boy starts burning there's this very weird, pulsating, vibrating sound in the background. It sounds almost exactly like what you hear when the Illusive man is controlling you at the ending.

Just pushing because I want an answer

So same sound but not the same graphical effect?

Why doing one but leaving the other thing out?

[LolaLei]

VanDex wrote...

The dream whispers have subtitles. As far as I remember, all of them consist of certain important phrases different characters drop at some stages of the game. Or are you all talking of some other whispers?

The whispers you hear behind the ones you can clearly distinguish. They also happen during TiM's final meeting, you can hear whispering but you can't tell what they're saying, these ones don't come up in subtitles.