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[njfluffy19]

variobunz wrote...

njfluffy19 wrote...

variobunz wrote...

Never tried. And with instakills you mean one shot kill or what?

Yeah.

I don't have that. Have to shot a couple of times.

Okay, well on HC (which is what I was playing) it takes a lot more than a couple of shots to kill Marauders. But that could mean nothing besides they wanted it to be cinematic.

[njfluffy19]

arkhine wrote...

njfluffy19 wrote...
The Citadel isn't concrete though. It's a station.

Ugh man why the crap did I type Citadel? I meant EARTH 

Oh.

[VanDex]

Ah, sorry, I thought of the wrong whispers then. As for the whispers you mentioned, I'm pretty sure it's just ambient whispers with no significance attached to them.

[tanuki]

Sheparded wrote...

njfluffy19 wrote...

Dessalines wrote...

Things that we have already talk about in the dream.
!) It is not a boy voice calling out your name, but a man's voice.
2) When you go the wrong way in the dream, you hear the Reaper noise.
What does the female voice say to you in the dream?
She says, "It is time to..... I can't make out what she says.

There's actually a video of the whispers... One of the voices is the Illusive Man saying "Shepard" and the woman's voice is saying something along the lines of "Excellent timing, glad you could make it."

That was mordin saying that "Excellent timing, glad you could make it."

In the last dream, before attack of the TIM base, there was also VS speaking. (In my case Ashley repeating her last words on Virmire. Something about "I don't regret a thing Commander"). Don't know what to make of it. I considered that Shepard hears the voices of the people s/he lost.

Oh, and hi all.^^ I mean, that's my first post in this thread. Still don't know what to make of the indoctrination theory, but it at least seems waay better than assuming the endings are what they are and nothing more.

[Ezikio]

Check the background, was posted in another thread.

Modifié par Ezikio, 15 mars 2012 - 01:23 .

[lil_89]

njfluffy19 wrote...

VanDex wrote...

The dream whispers have subtitles. As far as I remember, all of them consist of certain important phrases different characters drop at some stages of the game. Or are you all talking of some other whispers?

Really? I don't recognize a lot of the things they whisper besides the obvious "Shepard".

I had subtitles and you can hear your dead ex-squadmates, I remember hearing Thane and he said "siha", wich I found odd since my maleshep did not romance him.

[SeanThen1]

So basically, the Indoctrination theory is...

"Shepard is running towards the pillar of light and is struck by Harbinger's laser. After that moment, everything he sees in his mind is an attempt at his indoctrination by the Reapers. The choices of "Unity" or "Control" are the same nonsense those that have fallen under the sway of the Reapers claim is possible. There is only one real choice, to destroy the Reapers at any cost. If you choose the "Destroy" ending you see Shepard surrounded by rubble and badly burnt ... just as he would be after being struck by Harbinger's laser. The Reaper's hold over him broken, he awakens with a ragged breath to continue the fight."

Is that accurate with what the main hypothesis is at the moment? Seems to make sense. Think about it, after building the confrontation between Harbinger/Shepard for so long, you never face the creature head to head. The fight isn't over. The above likely isn't true though, as people would be furious that they would need DLC to get the "true" ending, but I like it a hell of a lot better than the alternatives provided. At this point the Trilogy is over. Why not ruffle a few feathers by adding an ending which requires a MASSIVE investment to achieve, such as 8k+ War Assets? I finished at 7.3k or so, it is certainly doable with DLC and other tie-ins.

[Golferguy758]

Couple things as I write this on my phone so bear with me.
1. The belief that you get more options with a higher ems is that you have spent longer having your mmental defenses worn down. This more susceptible to bring influenced. Hhence why that synthesis option just seems so great. It is the last colour opened and 2nd hardest to unlock.
2. The destruction option opens first if you destroyed the collector base. Of you kept it control opens first. Someone said that yesterday.I'd like confirmation on that personally.
Any other questions while this gets buried? Also I can't quote while on the phone so that sucks

[arkhine]

njfluffy19 wrote...
Oh.

Brain fart at its finest 

Off topic: So sad BSN is tied to Origin. I have to use 2 different accounts for ME2 and ME3   That is what happens when you change email addresses... sigh.

[njfluffy19]

lil_89 wrote...

I had subtitles and you can hear your dead ex-squadmates, I remember hearing Thane and he said "siha", wich I found odd since my maleshep did not romance him.

Wishful thinking on Thane's part. Rofl.

[arkhine]

Ashley_82 wrote...
In the last dream, before attack of the TIM base, there was also VS speaking. (In my case Ashley repeating her last words on Virmire. Something about "I don't regret a thing Commander"). Don't know what to make of it. I considered that Shepard hears the voices of the people s/he lost.

Oh, and hi all.^^ I mean, that's my first post in this thread. Still don't know what to make of the indoctrination theory, but it at least seems waay better than assuming the endings are what they are and nothing more.

I have heard Kaidan saying something I don't remember him saying in ME1. At least I think it is Kaidan. I have also heard Mordin, Thane and Legion. I don't recall Ash saying anything.

[Ona Demonie]

Golferguy758 wrote...

Couple things as I write this on my phone so bear with me.
1. The belief that you get more options with a higher ems is that you have spent longer having your mmental defenses worn down. This more susceptible to bring influenced. Hhence why that synthesis option just seems so great. It is the last colour opened and 2nd hardest to unlock.
2. The destruction option opens first if you destroyed the collector base. Of you kept it control opens first. Someone said that yesterday.I'd like confirmation on that personally.
Any other questions while this gets buried? Also I can't quote while on the phone so that sucks

As for confirmation, yes. Saving the collector base is just opening the choice to get Control if your EMS is low. If its high enough, you get all three choices, whether you saved it or not.

[Fame-KIllz]

lol

http://i.imgur.com/stzbj.jpg

[IronsteffL]

arkhine wrote...

Ashley_82 wrote...
In the last dream, before attack of the TIM base, there was also VS speaking. (In my case Ashley repeating her last words on Virmire. Something about "I don't regret a thing Commander"). Don't know what to make of it. I considered that Shepard hears the voices of the people s/he lost.

Oh, and hi all.^^ I mean, that's my first post in this thread. Still don't know what to make of the indoctrination theory, but it at least seems waay better than assuming the endings are what they are and nothing more.

I have heard Kaidan saying something I don't remember him saying in ME1. At least I think it is Kaidan. I have also heard Mordin, Thane and Legion. I don't recall Ash saying anything.

I heard Ash saying something like "I understand, Commander".

[mr.surv]

Fame-KIllz wrote...

lol

http://i.imgur.com/stzbj.jpg

Awesome

[arkhine]

Fame-KIllz wrote...

lol

http://i.imgur.com/stzbj.jpg

Hm, that makes me remember how Major Coates does not look like the Big Ben sniper at all. 

[IllusionOfLife]

I just finished the game, and I too found the ending confusing and unsatisfying. This theory certainly makes a lot of sense, and in a way the idea that it was a massive scale swindle is easier to swallow than the idea that BioWare's writers just said "screw it! The End." during the last five minutes.

This whole idea of BioWare duping their audience into believing a fake ending in order to accomplish some meta sense of indoctrination is unprecedented, ballsy, and, if it works, potentially brilliant and groundbreaking. However, even if this does turn out to be brilliant, having to download the "real" ending as DLC (paid or not) is kind of a dick move.

Modifié par IllusionOfLife, 15 mars 2012 - 01:33 .

[arkhine]

IronsteffL wrote...

I heard Ash saying something like "I understand, Commander".

She died at Virmire correct? For me Kaidan died. I think he said something like 'go get them and get out of here Commander!'.

[FrostByte-GER]

Fame-KIllz wrote...

lol

http://i.imgur.com/stzbj.jpg

hahaha awesome, but he's right!!!

[camcon2100]

Fame-KIllz wrote...

lol

http://i.imgur.com/stzbj.jpg

Please stay on topic you could post this in any other thread hating on Bioware.

[njfluffy19]

Guys, I have a more important question to ask:

Will Jersey Shore's finale be better than Mass Effect 3's?

www.youtube.com/watch

Modifié par njfluffy19, 15 mars 2012 - 01:36 .

[Fame-KIllz]

arkhine wrote...

Fame-KIllz wrote...

lol

http://i.imgur.com/stzbj.jpg

Hm, that makes me remember how Major Coates does not look like the Big Ben sniper at all. 

I didn't even realise it was the same guy until he said something about being in Big Ben!

[Earthborn_Shepard]

I've arrived at the point where I'd rather imagine the whole indoc theory is true and Shepard just failed and died at the end of the game than accept the actual endings.

[camcon2100]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

I've arrived at the point where I'd rather imagine the whole indoc theory is true and Shepard just failed and died at the end of the game than accept the actual endings.

Or you know he got up and kicked some reaper ass!

[Golferguy758]

Thank you, ona.

Additionally on a personal note. The reason I don't think the delivered product is finished is that there would be a lot more.damage control or spin from developers and bioware in general over the endings. Thety can tell that the majority of the player base is hurt. And a hurt players will inevitably hurt the bbottom line