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[Gowienczyk]

I haven't been keeping up with this thread for a few days, last thing I remembered was a fake "harbinger = child" picture. Updates for the slow?

[Getorex]

VanDex wrote...

Getorex wrote...

I played ME1 6 times and ME2 8 times. I will be playing ME3, as it stands with the current ending, exactly once

My thoughts exactly. I don't even know what would be the point of future DLCs if any plot in it effectively boils down to one ending anyway.

Also, about the point on Shepard facing the biggest threat to the universe. I hope bioware don't fall for the hollywoodian idea of "the biggest threat to the world makes the best conflict". There are lots of ways to make future games in the same setting possible and engaging. If the writing's good, a character sitting in a room for the whole game can be made interesting.

P.S. Sorry for going offtopic here.

I wasn't stating that you couldn't find SOME way to keep the ME universe going in some other form.  I was just stating that the idea that Shepard must die or similar that was expressed in THIS thread is not true.  It is merely true that you cannot continue the Shepard story because any future story involving him would be a let-down from the epic of him defeating an existential threat to the galaxy.  THAT is why it is really the end of the Shepard story and doesn't in any way require that he die.  

I agree with you that any DLC at this point is, in fact, pointless if it occurs pre-ending with no change to the ending.  What's the point?  An extra side mission that ultimately gets you nowhere?  Meh.

[Golferguy758]

Sorry it takes a while to respond, but what do you mean harbinger is never near shepard?

indoctrination takes time to take hold. But it can be done fast as well. Arrival in me2 has an entire base get indoctrinated by harbinger very fast.

Could you clarify, please?

[JulienJaden]

Does anyone here have experience with UE Viewer? I wanted to do some snooping but, as it stands, it's almost impossible to get anywhere before the heat death of the universe because the only way of even opening a file with the program an Win7 64bit is by typing its name in. Now multiply by 6000 or so files and you see my problem.
Any suggestions?

Modifié par JulienJaden, 15 mars 2012 - 02:10 .

[arkhine]

VanDex wrote...

My thoughts exactly. I don't even know what would be the point of future DLCs if any plot in it effectively boils down to one ending anyway.

Also, about the point on Shepard facing the biggest threat to the universe. I hope bioware don't fall for the hollywoodian idea of "the biggest threat to the world makes the best conflict". There are lots of ways to make future games in the same setting possible and engaging. If the writing's good, a character sitting in a room for the whole game can be made interesting.

P.S. Sorry for going offtopic here.

Future DLCs probably before the Cerberus base assault. 

[arkhine]

Gowienczyk wrote...

I haven't been keeping up with this thread for a few days, last thing I remembered was a fake "harbinger = child" picture. Updates for the slow?

Nothing much really.

[Dark Dajin]

Another note (brought to my attention by a friend):

The Child disappears immediately after Shepard 'breaks the indoctrination' and chooses to destroy.
www.youtube.com/watch

The Child smiles after Shepard 'falls for the indoctrination' and chooses to control
www.youtube.com/watch
(videos courtesy to IGN)


And why do we think the Catalyst is the citadel? Are we not told by a prothean VI that was hacked by TIM before we talked to it?
www.youtube.com/watch

[Monochrome Wench]

Aurion56 wrote...

Hi all,
I've been trying to keep up with the rampant pace of this thread for the past few days, and I figured I'd contribute something I noticed when poking around in one of the PCC files earlier.

http://i1265.photobu...n56/Oddity2.jpg

Whether this has been noticed before or not, it may not be damning evidence one way or another, but it at least provides something more to discuss. Which, let's face it, is all we can really do until whatever the embargo date Bioware has put up on any news has passed.

(Edit: removed HTML code that didn't seem to work. Feel free to link directly if you feel inclined!)

OMG, I just checked the game, that environment map IS used. Its the floor. You can see the trees reflected if you look carefully enough. I'm trying to get a screenshot that shows it. Its really really subtle. Think i'm going to have to highlight the required 'bits'

[Koobarex]

Getorex wrote...

I agree with you that any DLC at this point is, in fact, pointless if it occurs pre-ending with no change to the ending.  What's the point?  An extra side mission that ultimately gets you nowhere?  Meh.

I agree. Without changing the ending, without a DLC or whatever that explains the end as indoctrination/trauma dream there is little chance I will be buying any "side missions" DLC for this game. I bought everything I could for previous BioWare titles... But buying one for this, with an unchanged ending, would be absurd.

[Getorex]

arkhine wrote...

LivingHitokiri wrote...
The whole reason why Shepard dies is to give him more weight for the sacrifices he made.

Seeing Shepard bleeding next to Anderson then collapsing was way more emotional and painful to watch than seeing him get thrown to the ground from the conduit explosion <_< Talking to Garrus and Ash for the last time made me shed a tear or two as well.

Wholeheartedly agree.  I LOVED the ability to go through and speak one final time to every single surviving main character from 1, 2, and 3 just before the final fight.  Ash was great and it worked REALLY well with her as the LI.  I can also see how Liara would have been a great conversation as a LI (but I wont be exploring alternate LIs...no point).  Ash, Grunt, Tali, Liara, and Garrus were very good moments.  Wrex and Samara were disappointing in comparison (Wrex was fairly impersonal and flippant while Samara is maddeningly like talking to Vulcan - devoid of emotion or connection).  The final fights were difficult (insanity was actually insane in ME3 unlike the previous 2) and intense.  After that, well, this thread, twitter feeds, Facebook, Metacritic, etc are all the answer you need.

[Earthborn_Shepard]

And why do we think the Catalyst is the citadel? Are we not told by a prothean VI that was hacked by TIM before we talked to it?
www.youtube.com/watch

Good point! It explicitly states that the security protocol has been overridden, and then it gives rather short answers and doesn't really explain much.

[Chrumpek]

Getorex wrote...

arkhine wrote...

LivingHitokiri wrote...
The whole reason why Shepard dies is to give him more weight for the sacrifices he made.

Seeing Shepard bleeding next to Anderson then collapsing was way more emotional and painful to watch than seeing him get thrown to the ground from the conduit explosion <_< Talking to Garrus and Ash for the last time made me shed a tear or two as well.

Wholeheartedly agree.  I LOVED the ability to go through and speak one final time to every single surviving main character from 1, 2, and 3 just before the final fight.  Ash was great and it worked REALLY well with her as the LI.  I can also see how Liara would have been a great conversation as a LI (but I wont be exploring alternate LIs...no point).  Ash, Grunt, Tali, Liara, and Garrus were very good moments.  Wrex and Samara were disappointing in comparison (Wrex was fairly impersonal and flippant while Samara is maddeningly like talking to Vulcan - devoid of emotion or connection).  The final fights were difficult (insanity was actually insane in ME3 unlike the previous 2) and intense.  After that, well, this thread, twitter feeds, Facebook, Metacritic, etc are all the answer you need.

Yep insanity was really hard at the last hold the line moment, with the whole recharging medi-gel that neverended and ammo....

My soldier just blasted thru everything with his best pal 'revenant', even 4 banshees couldn't stop me :>

[arkhine]

Koobarex wrote...
I agree. Without changing the ending, without a DLC or whatever that explains the end as indoctrination/trauma dream there is little chance I will be buying any "side missions" DLC for this game. I bought everything I could for previous BioWare titles... But buying one for this, with an unchanged ending, would be absurd.

I'll just come out and say I despised Dragon Age II although I bought the Signature Edition. I never even got to the Deep Roads Expedition part. Dragon Age: Origins however, I poured 100 hours into my first character. The ending was sad (demon spawn or die? great) 

[Getorex]

Chrumpek wrote...

Getorex wrote...

arkhine wrote...

LivingHitokiri wrote...
The whole reason why Shepard dies is to give him more weight for the sacrifices he made.

Seeing Shepard bleeding next to Anderson then collapsing was way more emotional and painful to watch than seeing him get thrown to the ground from the conduit explosion <_< Talking to Garrus and Ash for the last time made me shed a tear or two as well.

Wholeheartedly agree.  I LOVED the ability to go through and speak one final time to every single surviving main character from 1, 2, and 3 just before the final fight.  Ash was great and it worked REALLY well with her as the LI.  I can also see how Liara would have been a great conversation as a LI (but I wont be exploring alternate LIs...no point).  Ash, Grunt, Tali, Liara, and Garrus were very good moments.  Wrex and Samara were disappointing in comparison (Wrex was fairly impersonal and flippant while Samara is maddeningly like talking to Vulcan - devoid of emotion or connection).  The final fights were difficult (insanity was actually insane in ME3 unlike the previous 2) and intense.  After that, well, this thread, twitter feeds, Facebook, Metacritic, etc are all the answer you need.

Yep insanity was really hard at the last hold the line moment, with the whole recharging medi-gel that neverended and ammo....

My soldier just blasted thru everything with his best pal 'revenant', even 4 banshees couldn't stop me :>

Err...what?  I got to about the middle of the final battle before the <*cough!*> ending that I stopped short of and didn't note never-ending medigel or never-empty ammo. 

[LivingHitokiri]

Golferguy758 wrote...

Sorry it takes a while to respond, but what do you mean harbinger is never near shepard?

indoctrination takes time to take hold. But it can be done fast as well. Arrival in me2 has an entire base get indoctrinated by harbinger very fast.

Could you clarify, please?

There are no other ways for reapers to control other species directly besides the ones they already harvested and modified.
Sovereign used Saren to control benezia ,Sovereign couldnt control benezial directly, it seems like some organic  part is ineed for them to control other organics indirectly,hence i mentioned the TIM and how he was the only one that could control shepard to an extend.

For the arrival you forget who was behind this, an agent of reapers  that probably found what illusive man did but in a less complete way.


About Shepard sacrifice , no matter if you cried or not, having Shepard to sacrifice is the PEAK of the moment for the game. You may argue about how bad/good other sacrifices are in ME 3 but there is no doubt that the most weight drops down to Shepard.

[Chrumpek]

Getorex wrote...

Chrumpek wrote...

Getorex wrote...

arkhine wrote...

LivingHitokiri wrote...
The whole reason why Shepard dies is to give him more weight for the sacrifices he made.

Seeing Shepard bleeding next to Anderson then collapsing was way more emotional and painful to watch than seeing him get thrown to the ground from the conduit explosion <_< Talking to Garrus and Ash for the last time made me shed a tear or two as well.

Wholeheartedly agree.  I LOVED the ability to go through and speak one final time to every single surviving main character from 1, 2, and 3 just before the final fight.  Ash was great and it worked REALLY well with her as the LI.  I can also see how Liara would have been a great conversation as a LI (but I wont be exploring alternate LIs...no point).  Ash, Grunt, Tali, Liara, and Garrus were very good moments.  Wrex and Samara were disappointing in comparison (Wrex was fairly impersonal and flippant while Samara is maddeningly like talking to Vulcan - devoid of emotion or connection).  The final fights were difficult (insanity was actually insane in ME3 unlike the previous 2) and intense.  After that, well, this thread, twitter feeds, Facebook, Metacritic, etc are all the answer you need.

Yep insanity was really hard at the last hold the line moment, with the whole recharging medi-gel that neverended and ammo....

My soldier just blasted thru everything with his best pal 'revenant', even 4 banshees couldn't stop me :>

Err...what?  I got to about the middle of the final battle before the <*cough!*> ending that I stopped short of and didn't note never-ending medigel or never-empty ammo. 

I was standing behind the first truck with rockets and when banshees started appearing after the brute waves, I noticed that my medi-gel were renewed althought I used one, so yea :>

[arkhine]

Getorex wrote...
Wholeheartedly agree.  I LOVED the ability to go through and speak one final time to every single surviving main character from 1, 2, and 3 just before the final fight.  Ash was great and it worked REALLY well with her as the LI.  I can also see how Liara would have been a great conversation as a LI (but I wont be exploring alternate LIs...no point).  Ash, Grunt, Tali, Liara, and Garrus were very good moments.  Wrex and Samara were disappointing in comparison (Wrex was fairly impersonal and flippant while Samara is maddeningly like talking to Vulcan - devoid of emotion or connection).  The final fights were difficult (insanity was actually insane in ME3 unlike the previous 2) and intense.  After that, well, this thread, twitter feeds, Facebook, Metacritic, etc are all the answer you need.

I agree about Wrex, being an ME1 character he should have had more at the end. But then again he had a good bit on Tuchanka so I'll let it slide. I think Liara's one would have been great if she was an LI. It was pretty sweet already without a relationship (whole head on shoulder thing). Grunt was at the end?  I don't remember seeing Samara either. 

Garrus really made me tear up... the Paragon interrupt... 

[Broham]

PrinceOfFallout13 wrote...

Valk72 wrote...

GimmeDaGun wrote...

Some twittering with the devs - are we trolled or they are up to something that will blow us all away?

User 1: "I still want to believe you guys are sneaky trolls and have something going on you don't tell us yet. Can I get a cryptic reply?"
@masseffect: "The sun, it shines. www.youtube.com/watch"


User 2: "You are either a massive sadist or a beacon of hope."
@masseffect: "Can't it be both?"


User 3: "I kinda feel lost after that ending...not what I expected and left me feeling everything done was for nothing."
@masseffect: "We know it's a lot to take in! But hang in there. Your decisions matter."


User 4: "Are you holding something back, that could quell the large amount of frustration from the community, a tiny hint would be enough."
@masseffect: "Mike Gamble already said on his twitter, if the fans knew what was in store, the reaction would be different."


User 5: "I loved 98% of ME3..but something has to be up w/ ending..too much talent at BW for that business. Keep my saves?"
@masseffect: "We're keeping our saves, that's for sure."


User 6: "Fans are people too. Playing with their minds isn't that nice as it may look like to people from Bioware."
@masseffect: "We're not playing with anyone's minds, we are answering what questions we can and recording what feedback we receive."


User 7: "Its not that the ending was taken in the wrong direction its that it makes NO SENSE. Ashley was on the Normandy? she [was] with me."
@masseffect: "Probably a good thing to be cautious of."


User 8: "Do y'all have any ETA when more news will be released? Dying for news on a new ending/DLC."
@masseffect: "No ETA yet, but you will be updated via Facebook and Twitter when the news is available ."

And some more:

User 1 -Well, i think i'll stop naggin you and trying to get you to talk about the indoctrination theory. Good game though!
Merizan - I want people to make up their own minds right now, then when more people have played we'll talk

User 2 - then I want to SEE that he was lying. I want to get up and finish the fight with Commander Shepard. Then retire.
Merizan - augh. want. to. discuss! Staying spoiler free for now

User 3 - But should've confronted the kid instead. Shep went meekly into the night.
Merizan - are you sure he went meekly into the night?

These are definitly suspicious tweeter, that's for sure.

i knew bioware was up to something

It may have already been said, but these *tweets* tell a lot IMHO... especially "User 6".

I think this final game of the trilogy, Bioware is essentially asking the fanbase "what do you think? Where should this go?" They gave us that stock ending that created a flurry of rage, saddness, acceptance and critial thinking. That was the point.

People have been mulling over this for days non-stop. People have been asking questions and writing articles, blogs and reviews. Theories concerning what even happened during the last 10 minutes have sprung up. Preferred endings have been told and praised.

I would quote where I got this concept from if I could, but someone somewhere pointed out the basic fact that "Mass Effect isn't really a third-person shooter or CRPG, it just has those elements; it is a living movie/story told concurrently with Bioware and us (the player)." <--(Not word for word but the concept is what matters.) The way the game is played or the mechanics behind the game don't define Mass Effect. The defining point of the series is what you can do; the story you create and the legend that will become your Shepard.

Bioware did this purposely and while I'm sure they are getting a lot of lulz from it, they are also getting the feedback they were hoping for. Through us (the raging fanbase firestorm), they are likely refining an ending for nearly everyone and every Shepard. They didn't want ME3 to be just another game everyone picks up, completes in 3-4 days and walks away from thinking "thats how they (Bioware) ended it... cool!/crap.../wow!/<insert whatever word you'd like>" "Well then, on to the next game!"

They wanted you to sit on it.
To think.
To rage.
To cry and complain.
Or to accept it.
To wonder, "how would my Shepard have ended this?" What is the purpose for everything I've done to this point?

At the moment, we're helping to co-write and finalize the Mass Effect trilogy's conclusion. This should be interesting.

[k0xfilter]

I believe in the indoctrination theory (only that i have some other speculations when it actually began and what the reapers tried to avoid/accomplish with shepard/TIM).

But there is one theory i'd like to share:

I think that TIM was not fully indoctrinated and *evil*.
I believe that he fighted the indoctrination and tried to help shepard save the galaxy!

There is some small evidence that supports my little theory:
The first time i noticed that TIM could be more than just an indocrinated evil bastard is when i saw the records of the lazarus project on the chronos station. he wanted shepard as naturally as possible and without a *controlling tool* or whatever (and that includes reaper-tech).

the point here is that he may noticed that something isnt right with him (maybe in his subconsciousness) and tried to help save the galaxy by reviving shepard (and the reputation of humans when shepard, a human, saves the galaxy or because shepard was special and the only one who knew enough about the reapers to do something).
TIM *didn't let* kai leng kill shepard immediately when kai leng faced shepard. he tried to support shepard the only way he could. the way TIM *tried* to help shepard wasn't that obvious, because shepards actions didn't cross the plan the reapers had with TIM. (sorry for the bad english :S)
The reapers weren't aware that TIM fighted the indoctrination, because TIM fullfilled his part of the reapers plan, but he never tried to kill shepard until he was fully indoctrinated (last scenes etc.).
Yes, the cerberus minions (not kai leng) tried to kill shepard, but TIM knew that shepard wouldn't be defeated by them or he hoped that *stopping* or better *slowing down* kai leng would be enough. (like when kai had his invincible gunship, shepard wouldn't stand a chance (YEAH I KNOW THAT FIGHT WAS BULL****))

tl;dr, TIM helped shepard in his subconsciousness.

BUT my evidence supports another theory:

It could be simple that TIM was the whole time fully indoctrinated and that the reapers wanted shepard (from me2 now) to be revived as normal as possible, so nobody sees shepards indoctrination. the whole *help*-evidence i noticed could also be a plan of the reapers to let shepard stay as normaly as possible so that his allies and shepard himself believe that HE's actually FIGHTING the reapers.

the only problem in this secont theory is: why did the collectors (reapers) kill shepard in the first place? in the comics liara retrieved shepards body from the shadow broker and handet it over to cerberus, but the shadow broker had allready had an agreement with the collectors (reapers/harbinger). maybe one of them (cerberus/shadow broker) was only a backup-plan of the reapers to get to shepard or TIM saw it coming and tried to help where he could without the reapers getting suspicious on TIMs indoctrination.

i know that my theory isnt very clean and not that solid, but i hope the internet will take it and rewrite it with better sentences and more evidence that makes my theory clearer. or i dont know... banana?

Sincerely, k0xi

ps: im from switzerland and i know my english-writing skills are terrible

EDIT:
pps: if someone has allready published a theory like mine, then sorry i didn't find any theory like mine! (and no i didn't read all the 524 pages of this thread and i wasn't on all the possible *me3-theory* forums on the internet. be honest - nobody has/can!)

Modifié par k0xfilter, 15 mars 2012 - 02:29 .

[arkhine]

Getorex wrote...

Err...what?  I got to about the middle of the final battle before the <*cough!*> ending that I stopped short of and didn't note never-ending medigel or never-empty ammo. 

Didn't notice that either but I didn't need medi-gel. I scurried around looking for ammo though, on Hardcore.

Do the enemies ever stop coming? I think I killed more than 6 banshees before I got tired and ran to the missile launcher to activate it.

[VelvetStraitjacket]

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Have you guys seen that? Notice the name of the model.

Modifié par PsychoHitsPeach, 15 mars 2012 - 02:25 .

[LTKerr]

arkhine wrote...

VanDex wrote...

My thoughts exactly. I don't even know what would be the point of future DLCs if any plot in it effectively boils down to one ending anyway.

Also, about the point on Shepard facing the biggest threat to the universe. I hope bioware don't fall for the hollywoodian idea of "the biggest threat to the world makes the best conflict". There are lots of ways to make future games in the same setting possible and engaging. If the writing's good, a character sitting in a room for the whole game can be made interesting.

P.S. Sorry for going offtopic here.

Future DLCs probably before the Cerberus base assault. 

I don't see the point of playing any DLC either, knowing that anything you do will be screwed soon. For example, imagine a DLC where Shepard has to.. I don't know, help Aria retaking Omega. In few days there will be no mass relays -> no food -> no mercs -> people die of starvation or worst. So why should I play it? Just for fun? I rather go play tetris and keep my money.

PsychoHitsPeach wrote...

s3.amazonaws.com/data.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0wni8dyMf1qh1uxxo1_1280.png
Have you guys seen that? Notice the name of the model.

OH MY!!!! Is this real? Then the indoctrination theory is right or almost right Oh, I read it's fake

Modifié par LTKerr, 15 mars 2012 - 02:29 .

[JulienJaden]

Monochrome Wench wrote...

Aurion56 wrote...

Hi all,
I've been trying to keep up with the rampant pace of this thread for the past few days, and I figured I'd contribute something I noticed when poking around in one of the PCC files earlier.

http://i1265.photobu...n56/Oddity2.jpg

Whether this has been noticed before or not, it may not be damning evidence one way or another, but it at least provides something more to discuss. Which, let's face it, is all we can really do until whatever the embargo date Bioware has put up on any news has passed.

(Edit: removed HTML code that didn't seem to work. Feel free to link directly if you feel inclined!)

OMG, I just checked the game, that environment map IS used. Its the floor. You can see the trees reflected if you look carefully enough. I'm trying to get a screenshot that shows it. Its really really subtle. Think i'm going to have to highlight the required 'bits'

Please do. That could be very interesting input.

[arkhine]

LivingHitokiri wrote...
About Shepard sacrifice , no matter if you cried or not, having Shepard to sacrifice is the PEAK of the moment for the game. You may argue about how bad/good other sacrifices are in ME 3 but there is no doubt that the most weight drops down to Shepard.

I knew he was going to die since ME1 but if this theory is correct and he's buried under rubble and not in fact blown up, then I wonder if he's going to die in the 'real ending' as well?

[camcon2100]

PsychoHitsPeach wrote...

s3.amazonaws.com/data.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0wni8dyMf1qh1uxxo1_1280.png
Have you guys seen that? Notice the name of the model.

Proven fake. Was edited