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[LolaLei]

That's another good point, how would Joker have been able to land/crash the ship safely without EDI if all synthetic life is destroyed should you choose the destroy option (baring in mind that EDI IS the Normandy.) There's no way he would have been able to do that by himself, we all saw what happened in ME2 when he last tried to pull a stunt like that.

[dawtree]

Not sure if this has been posted, but does anyone know if these patterns have been seen before? This comes from the "secret ending" as the camera pans over to Shepard breathing

http://imgur.com/8T73j

EDIT: Nevermind, just realized it's the shadows from the metal rods. D'oh

Modifié par dawtree, 15 mars 2012 - 05:32 .

[Sheparded]

Dwailing wrote...

Harorrd wrote...

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We must preserve this for all time.  Someone make sure this doesn't vanish.

Upload it to memebase

[Goddy10]

keith123456789 wrote...

My theory: Bioware is indoctricated. By EA. 

Nice theft of a comment from that Youtube video. Idiot.

[Black Master 09]

Don't know if anyone's posted this:
http://www.gamefront...h-due-in-april/
Take it with a pinch of salt.

[Vhalkyrie]

I chose the synergy option at first by accident (I thought I was supposed to get close to the beam and shoot it), and the ending sequence with the Normandy crashing appalled me. So I went back and redid it with destroy. My Shepard lived. Now that I realize that all of ME3 was about an attempt to indoctrinate Shepard, I think it's brilliant.

The child on the citadel is not a 'god'. It is a Reaper, trying to manipulate you to do what it wants. It doesn't want to kill Shepard. It thinks synergy is the best option because it wants Shepard to be a part of it. Shepard is the best of the organics. The reason Reapers leave 'lesser' societies to later prospect is to harvest them when they are more 'mature'. They are machines who desire to be more 'organic'. Shepard is the best of all the cycles. It assumes the form of a child because it is non threatening.

I admit the argument it made about 'control' was very persuasive. If anyone can control the reapers, it's Shepard, right? No. Just as Anderson and Hackett have said all along, the only path to win is destroy.

The dream sequences foretells the ending. The most appealing emotional dream is Shepard embracing the child, looking very happy (synergy). The suggestion is we want to be unified with the child. The other dreams are meant to provoke the opposite reaction - no, we don't want the child (the avatar for the Reapers) to die.

When I realized my mistake with the synergy, I went back and redid it with destroy. As Shepard kept shooting at it, she got stronger, stood up straight and walked faster and faster. This affirmed to me this was the right choice. I imagined Anderson (who died in my playthrough) would have been proud. This was what he wanted. Then I was surprised when Shepard took a breath at the end. I believe my Shepard is lying in rubble in London, and I want to get back on my feet and finish the job on the Reapers. The vision about all the mass effect relays blowing up (which would also destroy the star systems) was a lie. If all the mass effect relays blew up, that would include the Sol system, in which Shepard would not be able to wake up in any ending.

Grandpa and the kid talking about "one more story about the Shepard" I interpreted as a message that maybe Shepard will get a chance to finish the Reapers, now that she is free of indoctrination.

At least that is my hope. But I'd love it if it were ME4, and not a short mini DLC. I guess I'm just not ready to let Shepard go, if she's laying in the waste of London. I want one more Shepard story, too.

Modifié par Vhalkyrie, 15 mars 2012 - 05:32 .

[dfstone]

IronSabbath88 wrote...
Bingo. There's a reason they don't kill certain people.

Saren was a Spectre. Benezia was an important Matriarch. TIM is the leader of an infamous organization. Shepard is... well, Shepard.

They know who to keep alive.

Shepherd is part Reaper.  He has reaper tech inside but still retained free will.  I think thats why the reapers are scared of him.

[Zokopops]

If shepard was inside the citadel he woul die. That is a fact. Because 1. No air in space. Even if the spaceboy meeting was inside, the explotions would either kill shep or create a hole in the citadel. 2. If the citadel fell to earth. The impact would certainly kill shep. Because..come on! 3. Spaceboy says shep will die if destroy. Because of implants. soooooo...whos lying on the ground in london? IF it is shepard...indoc-theory is right. BUT why dont we see his face? That is one major question.....makes me wonder..could it be James Vega? Maybe bioware wants to continue the series around another protagonist?

[ArkkAngel007]

dawtree wrote...

Not sure if this has been posted, but does anyone know if these patterns have been seen before? This comes from the "secret ending" as the camera pans over to Shepard breathing

http://imgur.com/8T73j

It's just concrete slabs, most likely from a building wall due to the shelving and rebar present...I don't remember them in the game though and I haven't begun my second run yet.

Btw, the "pipes" referred to earlier are rebar supporting concrete, not tubes from the Citadel.

Modifié par ArkkAngel007, 15 mars 2012 - 05:32 .

[Vovea]

I have to admit, however much I doubt the ending was intended to be a hallucination, I love how many little things there are to support it. The wording in the codex? Awesome.

Indoctrination Theory wrote...

hallucinations of "ghostly" presences

[IronSabbath88]

keith123456789 wrote...

My theory: Bioware is indoctricated. By EA. 

Haven't heard that one before.

[Prumand]

Black Master 09 wrote...

Don't know if anyone's posted this:
http://www.gamefront...h-due-in-april/
Take it with a pinch of salt.

Hmm.. Looks legit, and reasonable. We will have to see how it goes, but im skeptical about this. Bioware has made numerous statements about the game being complete before release, and how they would withold the game if it isn't perfection. This seems like Bioware kinda went back on their pristine promise, but its better than what we have now. Remember, its Hope that makes us Organics.

[Baihu1983]

I will admit i did think the red options appeard to be the right options when talking to the Illusive man but ive seen the possible endings and all have a rushed plot hole feel to them.
The big one being the normandy part and what happens to the squad members after being knocked down by Harbinger?

[PWNtrooper]

It's a dream... Within a dream... Within an indoctrination.......


We have to go deeper.

[Claym0re]

I like this explanation the most.:

But if its true most of the people who didnt gather enough war assets or saw through this are basically ****ed (including me) :-P

Modifié par Claym0re, 15 mars 2012 - 05:36 .

[Prumand]

Zokopops wrote...

If shepard was inside the citadel he woul die. That is a fact. Because 1. No air in space. Even if the spaceboy meeting was inside, the explotions would either kill shep or create a hole in the citadel. 2. If the citadel fell to earth. The impact would certainly kill shep. Because..come on! 3. Spaceboy says shep will die if destroy. Because of implants. soooooo...whos lying on the ground in london? IF it is shepard...indoc-theory is right. BUT why dont we see his face? That is one major question.....makes me wonder..could it be James Vega? Maybe bioware wants to continue the series around another protagonist?

I didn't follow you much until you brought up your last point. James Vega was an odd addition to the team at the beginning of the game. It would be acceptable if they planned to bring up a new protagonist, and it would make sense that James would be it.

[dfstone]

I don't think Shepherd ever needed to actually go to the Citadel he just needed to get in direct contact with the reapers. Cerberus had been working on how reapers communicate with each other. And Shepherd was part synthetic and those dreams were probably the Reapers trying to communicate with him. When he got close enough to that beam and was sufficiently weakened they were able to start communicating with him.  Which is what set off the end.  The reapers couldn't control him because he had their tech inside but still had his own will.  So they tried to convert him over to their side with the whole Anderson and Illusive Man meeting.  When that failed they tried to guilt trip him into it with the ghost kid.  And if that failed he finally kills them.

Modifié par dfstone, 15 mars 2012 - 05:38 .

[Zokopops]

He also mentioned earlier that he was about to join n7...

[Bolboreta]

Vhalkyrie wrote...

At least that is my hope. But I'd love it if it were ME4, and not a short mini DLC. I guess I'm just not ready to let Shepard go, if she's laying in the waste of London. I want one more Shepard story, too.

I loved to play the whole game. I really think BW was there for their fans, giving us almost everything we wanted. Everything but the endings. I was one of those people who thought: come on, I'm playing this game and it's great, the end cannot be THAT bad. Well, it's not a bad end, it just makes no sense and now I don't think I could play a ME4. I never thought of this before, but I don't want to play ME3 again, either, despite loving the whole game except the last minutes. So, if there's a free DLC (which I doubt it), I may play it, but Shepard's story is finished for me, and not in the way I would like.

Still, it's an amazing game, but I'm heartbroken now.

[Rifneno]

Prumand wrote...

I didn't follow you much until you brought up your last point. James Vega was an odd addition to the team at the beginning of the game. It would be acceptable if they planned to bring up a new protagonist, and it would make sense that James would be it.

I disagree.  Because Vega already has an established gender and appearance, both of which are almost universally options for PCs.

[kyrieee]

Aurion56 wrote...

Hi all,
I've been trying to keep up with the rampant pace of this thread for the past few days, and I figured I'd contribute something I noticed when poking around in one of the PCC files earlier.

http://i1265.photobu...n56/Oddity2.jpg

Whether this has been noticed before or not, it may not be damning evidence one way or another, but it at least provides something more to discuss. Which, let's face it, is all we can really do until whatever the embargo date Bioware has put up on any news has passed.

(Edit: removed HTML code that didn't seem to work. Feel free to link directly if you feel inclined!)

So, there were trees there in an earlier version?
Can anyone confirm that?

[Chrumpek]

Does not compute...

Does this ending... have a soul?

[Black Master 09]

Don't know if this supports the theory or not, but doesn't Sovereign say in ME1 that the name Reaper was given to them by the Protheans. Surely, If the kid controls the Reapers, It would know their actual name, instead of just saying "Yeah, they're the Reapers."

[Evil_medved]

Chrumpek wrote...

Does not compute...

Does this ending... have a soul?

Nope! *neck-stab*

[Vhalkyrie]

Bolboreta wrote...
I loved to play the whole game. I really think BW was there for their fans, giving us almost everything we wanted. Everything but the endings. I was one of those people who thought: come on, I'm playing this game and it's great, the end cannot be THAT bad. Well, it's not a bad end, it just makes no sense and now I don't think I could play a ME4.

That's my point.  I don't think the ending was bad.  I think it was a very clever way of giving a real time experience of what it's like to be indoctrinated by the Reapers.  Through all the games, we think, how can smart people like Saren, Benezia, and the Illusive Man fall for it?  Well the Reaper-child was very, very persuasive.  I didn't see the threat at first.