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Vyrii

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Haven't been on in a day...maybe two? When did we hit 500 pages?
Also: Any new twittering teases from BioWare?

#13577
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Hey guys I found this link which I think you guys will find very interesting. I shall leave interruption up to the individual.

http://www.gamezone....nges-the-ending

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FrostByte-GER

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@masseffect Is there any TRUTH to "THE TRUTH" dlc???Fans want answers.

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@xrinxsummersx As soon as we have news, we will tweet it.

Interesting....

#13579
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vrumpt wrote...

Claym0re wrote...

I like this explanation the most.:

But if its true most of the people who didnt gather enough war assets or saw through this are basically ****ed (including me) :-P



my new favorite video.  But did that kid really get onto the same shuttle Anderson was on? I didn't think he did, nor do i remember seeing what shuttle anderson got on.


No he was not - just stop the video at this point - there is even a commentary from the Video owner where he states that he was false with this assumption^^

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Actually I just realized why this would be a brilliant move on BioWare's part, and would mitigate the fact that we didn't get the full game.

Imagine if the indoctrination theory was true, but the game continued after you pick the destroy ending, because that's the one that breaks you free from reaper control. That information would be all over the web as soon at the game was released, and everyone would know what the "right" choice was. There wouldn't be any dramatic tension. You'd just be waiting for the kid to stop talking so you could continue with the game by picking the right choice.

But, as it is now, we're agonizing about which choice is the right one, because they're all so hard to swallow. By not making it clear it's indoctrination, BioWare, in this scenario, is really putting us in the shoes (or combat boots) of Commander Shepard, unsure whether this is real or a dream, unsure of what the ramifications of the decision are.

Modifié par Warhawk7137, 15 mars 2012 - 06:04 .


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Earthborn_Shepard

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uh oh...


nubbinownz ‏ @nubbinownz
@leeto @masseffect Did you also find it fitting that your choices should completely decimate the galaxy ?

1m Ryan Tenorio Ryan Tenorio ‏ @leeto
@nubbinownz @masseffect loss of the relays is necessary.The destruction of all reaper tech ensures civilizations can grow freely for once

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@leeto Thank you~

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IronSabbath88

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Necessary, perhaps. But like I said, BioWare isn't going to make it obvious that something is coming.

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Vhalkyrie

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There were lots of hints about indoctrination throughout the game.  I suspected something was up because indoctrination was talked about a lot during the course of the game.  The discussion between Shep and Liara about Benezia wasn't reminiscing and idle chatter.  I think that was the first point when I wondered if the denouement at the end would be about indoctrination.  When Shep had the final confrontation with TIM, I thought, "aha! This was it!"  I totally didn't expect it was really about Shepard's indoctrination, which totally blows my mind.

Modifié par Vhalkyrie, 15 mars 2012 - 06:09 .


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Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

uh oh...


nubbinownz ‏ @nubbinownz
@leeto @masseffect Did you also find it fitting that your choices should completely decimate the galaxy ?

1m Ryan Tenorio Ryan Tenorio ‏ @leeto
@nubbinownz @masseffect loss of the relays is necessary.The destruction of all reaper tech ensures civilizations can grow freely for once

Mass Effect Mass Effect ‏ @masseffect
@leeto Thank you~


I was trying to illicit a response, because it seems like everyone is forgetting that little detail. But now to see @masseffect to respond like that, depressing.

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Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

uh oh...


nubbinownz ‏ @nubbinownz
@leeto @masseffect Did you also find it fitting that your choices should completely decimate the galaxy ?

1m Ryan Tenorio Ryan Tenorio ‏ @leeto
@nubbinownz @masseffect loss of the relays is necessary.The destruction of all reaper tech ensures civilizations can grow freely for once

Mass Effect Mass Effect ‏ @masseffect
@leeto Thank you~


Is ...is that....is that the death sentence to all our hopes....??!

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jackncoke28

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_Flipp_ wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

uh oh...


nubbinownz ‏ @nubbinownz
@leeto @masseffect Did you also find it fitting that your choices should completely decimate the galaxy ?

1m Ryan Tenorio Ryan Tenorio ‏ @leeto
@nubbinownz @masseffect loss of the relays is necessary.The destruction of all reaper tech ensures civilizations can grow freely for once

Mass Effect Mass Effect ‏ @masseffect
@leeto Thank you~


Is ...is that....is that the death sentence to all our hopes....??!

Bolsters our hopes. Control and Synthesis choices dont destroy Reapers. ie Repear tech will still exist

Modifié par jackncoke28, 15 mars 2012 - 06:13 .


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_Flipp_ wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

uh oh...


nubbinownz ‏ @nubbinownz
@leeto @masseffect Did you also find it fitting that your choices should completely decimate the galaxy ?

1m Ryan Tenorio Ryan Tenorio ‏ @leeto
@nubbinownz @masseffect loss of the relays is necessary.The destruction of all reaper tech ensures civilizations can grow freely for once

Mass Effect Mass Effect ‏ @masseffect
@leeto Thank you~

Don't give to much credience to @masseffect they are just interns manning twitter

Is ...is that....is that the death sentence to all our hopes....??!



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Vhalkyrie

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_Flipp_ wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

uh oh...


nubbinownz ‏ @nubbinownz
@leeto @masseffect Did you also find it fitting that your choices should completely decimate the galaxy ?

1m Ryan Tenorio Ryan Tenorio ‏ @leeto
@nubbinownz @masseffect loss of the relays is necessary.The destruction of all reaper tech ensures civilizations can grow freely for once

Mass Effect Mass Effect ‏ @masseffect
@leeto Thank you~


Is ...is that....is that the death sentence to all our hopes....??!


No.  The destruction of a mass effect relay destroys the star system.  This is explained clearly in the codex.  If ALL the mass effect relays were destroyed, that would include the Sol system, in which case, Shepard could not live in ANY ending.

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Earthborn_Shepard

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Brian Saboe ‏ @UntoTheCruel
@masseffect and know im hearing rumors about 'the truth; dlc. what is that.

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@untothecruel Do you think we would really name something "The Truth"


..yeah.. so much for that.

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I would not name a game saving DLC the truth either.

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IronSabbath88

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LOL, stop taking what you hear on Mass Effect twitter as 100% fact. They're obviously not going to give you spoilers.

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HairyMadDog1010 wrote...

I would not name a game saving DLC the truth either.


Always thought the name was retarded.. but this sounds like a general NO to me.

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 "The Truth" sounds more like a fan-made moniker/label. I'm not going to go one way or the other on this, but that tweet did say "Do you think we would really name something 'The Truth'". Nothing about creating/not creating content. 

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anyone else think bioware would be foolish not to confirm the indoc theory soon if it's true? i've been hearing places like gamestop are getting alot of copies of me3 returned.

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Warhawk7137 wrote...

Actually I just realized why this would be a brilliant move on BioWare's part, and would mitigate the fact that we didn't get the full game.

Imagine if the indoctrination theory was true, but the game continued after you pick the destroy ending, because that's the one that breaks you free from reaper control. That information would be all over the web as soon at the game was released, and everyone would know what the "right" choice was. There wouldn't be any dramatic tension. You'd just be waiting for the kid to stop talking so you could continue with the game by picking the right choice.

But, as it is now, we're agonizing about which choice is the right one, because they're all so hard to swallow. By not making it clear it's indoctrination, BioWare, in this scenario, is really putting us in the shoes (or combat boots) of Commander Shepard, unsure whether this is real or a dream, unsure of what the ramifications of the decision are.


Exactly.  Although I'm not yet sure if the choice itself actually matters so much as simply falling for the illusion. 

We are experiencing the same problem Shepard is experiencing in real time.  The same confusion and doubt and frustration.  They WANT us to go over it again and again in our heads, examine the facts and figure out the truth, because that is what Shepard has to do.  We must realize its a dream before we can wake up from it, otherwise we're trapped in it.  If the game had just picked right back up after the decision then we wouldn't feel any of this, it would just be a ****ty "gotcha!" moment and nobody would even really remember it in the logn run.

By giving us this interactive, real time experience of the ending before the real ending comes, they are making it far more memorable.  Thats exactly what Casey said he wanted. 


Course in a few months I might look back at how full of **** I was, in utter disappointment that the indoc theory was wrong and Bioware actually did **** up.  But... I'm pretty sure.  Plot holes the size of jupiter that line up to form a perfect connect the dots drawing... no way its just coincidense.  ;)

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Merizan also said last night, not to believe the ME3 twitter because there aren't real people behind it.

@JessicaMerizan: "The ME3 Twitter is not a person. I should know, I wrote the guidelines ;) It's why we RT our employees - to celebrate ppl!"

Modifié par GoldenSkans9, 15 mars 2012 - 06:22 .


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The Truth dlc info came from anon source in 4chan :P That says how trustworthy that news is.

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Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Brian Saboe ‏ @UntoTheCruel
@masseffect and know im hearing rumors about 'the truth; dlc. what is that.

Mass Effect Mass Effect ‏ @masseffect
@untothecruel Do you think we would really name something "The Truth"


..yeah.. so much for that.



Well the particular rumours about "The Truth" were bgous thats for sure. Still that doesn't mean that there won't be a DLC...

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GoldenSkans9 wrote...

Merizan also said last night, not to believe the ME3 twitter because there aren't real people behind it.


..uh.. what then? Somebody has to answer those..

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Vhalkyrie wrote...

_Flipp_ wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

uh oh...


nubbinownz ‏ @nubbinownz
@leeto @masseffect Did you also find it fitting that your choices should completely decimate the galaxy ?

1m Ryan Tenorio Ryan Tenorio ‏ @leeto
@nubbinownz @masseffect loss of the relays is necessary.The destruction of all reaper tech ensures civilizations can grow freely for once

Mass Effect Mass Effect ‏ @masseffect
@leeto Thank you~


Is ...is that....is that the death sentence to all our hopes....??!


No.  The destruction of a mass effect relay destroys the star system.  This is explained clearly in the codex.  If ALL the mass effect relays were destroyed, that would include the Sol system, in which case, Shepard could not live in ANY ending.



Also, the sequence of the relays being destroyed is just in Shepards head if we follow the theory. Nothing from the moment when he gets hit by the reaper laser until he wakes up is real.