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[dfstone]

I'm fine with them keeping the ends they have just making it a little clearer as to what exactly happened.

[eclipso621]

Playing through the game yet again, Second time I noticed the kid run through the locked door and now I notice he dosnt just appear there, from the first ladder you go up look over to the right. The kid is standing there looking over the railing of the building.

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FrostByte-GER wrote...

Gamestar thinks too that BioWare will release a Ending DLC:
(You should read the article only of you can read the german language^^)
http://www.gamestar....51,2565861.html

Before anyone who can't speak german asks - it's just stating what we all know

The Community is upset.

The Community wants another ending.

Bioware doesn't make a clear statement.

Bioware just sends cryptic tweets.

Thats it ^^

[Earthborn_Shepard]

FrostByte-GER wrote...

Gamestar thinks too that BioWare will release a Ending DLC:
(You should read the article only of you can read the german language^^)
http://www.gamestar....51,2565861.html

They're just quoting tweets, they don't know more than we do.

[Goddy10]

Has NOBODY taken the time to examine Mac Walters notes?



Look at that last page; "End of first Matrix", with a side note "brave new world", meaning they're trying something new.

"Lots of speculation from everyone", exactly what this thread is all about.

They PLANNED THIS from the start.

Modifié par Goddy10, 15 mars 2012 - 07:17 .

[FrostByte-GER]

But they're thinking the same that we think^^

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eclipso621 wrote...

Playing through the game yet again, Second time I noticed the kid run through the locked door and now I notice he dosnt just appear there, from the first ladder you go up look over to the right. The kid is standing there looking over the railing of the building.

Wait wait wait....whhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaatttt??? I just dont have the game at hands now, but is there any proof? Video?

Modifié par _Flipp_, 15 mars 2012 - 07:17 .

[Vhalkyrie]

[quote]CptData wrote...

I believe the Crucible/Citadel/Catalyst did its work, regardless of Shepard's decision. Shepard never entered the beam, never talked to Anderson and TIM on the Citadel, never talked to the kid and never decided anything - since it all happened only in his/her mind, symbolizing the struggle between free will and indoctrination.

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The Crucible/Citadel could not work, if no one ever reached the beam.  Shepard was knocked out before they could reach it, which triggered the final indoctrination attempt by the Reapers.  A last ditch attempt to save themselves.

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[quote]CptData wrote...
Who says the CC can't work without Shepard's influence?
Heck with it, no one knows how that thing works. Why's a button needed someone has to push? As I said, the CC could work without Shepard's influence. The reason why it didn't do anything after docking could be "charging up the main weapon" - whatever that weapon is.
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That was the reason they were making the final suicide push to the beam.  The end sequence battle was to fire the missiles into the Reaper that was blocking the beam.  Except the second Reaper showed up before they could get there.  Shepard didn't have to be the one to get into the beam, but someone had to initialize the docking between the Crucible and the Citadel from inside the Citadel.  It's possible that someone else might have got into the beam (maybe Garrus) when Shep went KO, except for the last radio transmission which said no one made it to the beam.  Of course, if this is indoctrination, then it's debatable whether that was part of the hallucination.

Modifié par Vhalkyrie, 15 mars 2012 - 07:18 .

[xeternalxredx]

Goddy10 wrote...

Has NOBODY taken the time to examine Mac Walters notes?



Look at that last page; "End of first Matrix", with a side note "brave new world", meaning they're trying something new.

"Lots of speculation from everyone", exactly what this thread is all about.

They PLANNED THIS from the start.

I for one will not be paying $3 to read that they trolled us. Plus just from the sample pictures i wouldn't be able to read that horrible handwriting.

[Rebel666]

Did anyone else catch the fact that the planet the Normandy lands on looks familiar to Virmire????

[CptData]

Vhalkyrie wrote...

That was the reason they were making the final suicide push to the beam.  The end sequence battle was to fire the missiles into the Reaper that was blocking the beam.  Except the second Reaper showed up before they could get there.  Shepard didn't have to be the one to get into the beam, but someone had to initialize the docking between the Crucible and the Citadel from inside the Citadel.  It's possible that someone else might have got into the beam (maybe Garrus) when Shep went KO, except for the last radio transmission which said no one made it to the beam.  Of course, if this is indoctrination, then it's debatable whether that was part of the hallucination.

Lets stay with your theory and use the few lines I said at the end: maybe there IS a button in the CC that triggers the function of that "weapon". It's going to be a button, a console, something else - just no "three choices platform" with a kid.

There's a team needed to go in - in our case, it's Shepard and his/her final squad, if BW decides to extend the endings with a -real- final mission. Now, I'd say, that works for me. However, the current ending is set up in a way you can believe Shepard's mental fight had some effect on the CC and ended the war, regardless if Shepard made in on board or not.

[panamakira]

So I'm guessing everybody here read the post about the ME Final moments? What. A. Disaster. This theory we believe in is either a hallucination of a hallucination or ..........I don't know anymore....

What the hell is going on with BW. Such a let down. The fact they thought we didn't need more information? Really? Ugh~

[iwillkillfortali]

Rebel666 wrote...

Did anyone else catch the fact that the planet the Normandy lands on looks familiar to Virmire????

I said that a few hundred posts back.

[vasametropolis]

Rebel666 wrote...

Did anyone else catch the fact that the planet the Normandy lands on looks familiar to Virmire????

It kind of does, but I don't know what you are getting at.

and another thing... if you were bioware and you were holding something back, you wouldn't give your crown jewel to the media to be released before you intended.

we know now that indoctrination was on the table, just because the mechanics didn't make sense doesn't mean they didn't find another way... the way we got.

I'll admit it's more desperate than ever now, but in the end you can choose to believe one of two scenarios:

1) They screwed up every aspect of the entire ending, and Shepard conveniently lived through only one ending where he was guaranteed to die, or...

2) The ending where he lives is what really happened, and regardless of the execution of the former events, this was always intended. I'm usually a cynic, but in this case I'm an optimist. There's just no way you could have made an ending where not a single idea holds.

Modifié par xCaptainAmazing, 15 mars 2012 - 07:32 .

[Rifneno]

dfstone wrote...

I'm fine with them keeping the ends they have just making it a little clearer as to what exactly happened.

I'm sure as hell not.  After all the fantastic development with Legion and EDI, they pull a sudden 180 and say that AI is inherently evil and they all need to be destroyed for the sake of organic life's very existence?  **** that.

[iwillkillfortali]

xCaptainAmazing wrote...

Rebel666 wrote...

Did anyone else catch the fact that the planet the Normandy lands on looks familiar to Virmire????

It kind of does, but I don't know what you are getting at.

It means that Shepard might be thinking about that nuke that was on virmire.

[FrostByte-GER]

I don't understand it really.... Where to the hell is the proof that the indoctrination theory isn't real? I read the Final Hours thread too but I can't find a proof!?

[dfstone]

GoldenSkans9 wrote...

The thing that makes no sense to me, is why the Final Boss was ever even planned to be TIM. How does killing TIM "Take Earth Back"?

If your rep is high enough, TIM kills himself.

[Rifneno]

GoldenSkans9 wrote...

The thing that makes no sense to me, is why the Final Boss was ever even planned to be TIM. How does killing TIM "Take Earth Back"?

I assumed at first that it'd be because TIM wound up Harbinger's puppet like Saren was to Sovereign.  The codex says Reapers fixed that design flaw though, so...

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Rifneno wrote...

GoldenSkans9 wrote...

The thing that makes no sense to me, is why the Final Boss was ever even planned to be TIM. How does killing TIM "Take Earth Back"?

I assumed at first that it'd be because TIM wound up Harbinger's puppet like Saren was to Sovereign.  The codex says Reapers fixed that design flaw though, so...

Well even with Harbinger dead there would still be a whole sh*tload of other reapers..

[turian_rage]

xeternalxredx wrote...

Goddy10 wrote...

Has NOBODY taken the time to examine Mac Walters notes?



Look at that last page; "End of first Matrix", with a side note "brave new world", meaning they're trying something new.

"Lots of speculation from everyone", exactly what this thread is all about.

They PLANNED THIS from the start.

I for one will not be paying $3 to read that they trolled us. Plus just from the sample pictures i wouldn't be able to read that horrible handwriting.

These are the notes he wanted to show you. This all states the obvious, what we already know. However, I suspect there is another sheet of paper with additional detail on it. Why? because this is just too stupidly simple. There is no way this is the draft to the final moment in the Mass Effect trilogy. Disbelief, denial, whatever.

[dfstone]

My question about the indoctrination theory is that the 3 of them on the citadel, Shep, Anderson and TIM, TIM is indoctrinated, Shep they are trying to indoctrinate, does that mean Anderson is indoctrinated too? But if Anderson represents goodness, then who indoctrinated him?

[byne]

dfstone wrote...

My question about the indoctrination theory is that the 3 of them on the citadel, Shep, Anderson and TIM, TIM is indoctrinated, Shep they are trying to indoctrinate, does that mean Anderson is indoctrinated too? But if Anderson represents goodness, then who indoctrinated him?

I believe the generally accepted theory is that Shep never actually made it on the Citadel, and is hallucinating while lying on the ground in front of the conduit