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[diabit]

Not sure If anyone else has noticed (damned if I'm going through 549 pages to check) but there is a massive lack of cohesion in the end choices. Synthesis targets all life in the galaxy, which seams possible. Control ONLY targets the Reapers, which clearly shows the Crucible can easily tell what's a Reaper and what is a normal synthetic. So why does the destroy ending result in the destruction of ALL synthetics?

Just trying to help the theory, despite Biowares current vague attempts to disprove it.

[dfstone]

Irishkev wrote...


What annoys me is that the game resets just before cerbus base. I mean its like the last two missions mean nothing.

Thats what is so suspicious.  They reset you to the beginning of the final mission, as if they want you to replay that mission.  In the other 2 games you just get to wander the galaxy finishing up any extra quests or exploring. 

[CptData]

Valk72 wrote...

Goddy10 wrote...

Has NOBODY taken the time to examine Mac Walters notes?



Look at that last page; "End of first Matrix", with a side note "brave new world", meaning they're trying something new.

"Lots of speculation from everyone", exactly what this thread is all about.

They PLANNED THIS from the start.

I can't believe it... It was not an accident, it was planned all the way!! My god i hate BW! I hope they don't excpect to buy their crappy DLC or another game! ME3 was the last straw  for me!! They can go to hell for all i care, they deserve to rot there!!

Funny.
I love BW for that. If that story is real, they just created one of the biggest puzzles in computer / console gaming of our days.

Kudos?
Kudos.

I don't feel upset here. We're just doing what BW wanted - making up own theories. Just 'cause they didn't tell us yet, it doesn't mean they won't tell us tomorrow.

[sargon1986]

Valk72 wrote...

Goddy10 wrote...

Has NOBODY taken the time to examine Mac Walters notes?



Look at that last page; "End of first Matrix", with a side note "brave new world", meaning they're trying something new.

"Lots of speculation from everyone", exactly what this thread is all about.

They PLANNED THIS from the start.

I can't believe it... It was not an accident, it was planned all the way!! My god i hate BW! I hope they don't excpect to buy their crappy DLC or another game! ME3 was the last straw  for me!! They can go to hell for all i care, they deserve to rot there!!

Dude. That only confirms that we are right.

[HallucinationEnd]

 wow foud this sound ....

www.youtube.com/watch

It makes my sad ..... I 've say to  dr. chakwas we would drink that damn brandy .... but 

Modifié par HallucinationEnd, 15 mars 2012 - 07:49 .

[Chrumpek]

Did anyone mention or notice that there is only one way to get to the room with controls and illusive man? Yet anderson is somewhere else and goes there, and there is already there althou u talk to him all the time and don't see him walking in front of you.

Also anderson says that it looks exactly like collector ship just liek shepard told him it looked :>

[jamiekas]

diabit wrote...

Not sure If anyone else has noticed (damned if I'm going through 549 pages to check) but there is a massive lack of cohesion in the end choices. Synthesis targets all life in the galaxy, which seams possible. Control ONLY targets the Reapers, which clearly shows the Crucible can easily tell what's a Reaper and what is a normal synthetic. So why does the destroy ending result in the destruction of ALL synthetics?

Just trying to help the theory, despite Biowares current vague attempts to disprove it.

Look at the theories about indoctrination ending. It makes sense.
If the Catalyst Kid is actually like a weird embodiment of the Reapers, then he is trying to dissuade Shep from choosing to destroy. He says "Do you think you could live without synthetics?" He also says Shep is partially Synthetic, so Shepard would not have woken up under the rubble if he did indeed actually kill all synthetics. Which would mean that the whole ending is a lie. Indoctrination theory in a nutshell.

[Martukis]

If you look back after getting onto the bridge in the LotSB like area, you can see a bunch of doors spanning the outside wall, and the shifting bits could form bridges. I like this theory, but I also think some things are just reaching for emergency induction ports.

[Serlith_]

If anything, now we need to wait. There's no point in pillaging through the evidence. We've got plenty already. Gotta wait and that's all. Nothing can be done. Wait for news. PAtience and hope, guys.

Modifié par Serlith_, 15 mars 2012 - 07:54 .

[Vhalkyrie]

If you go back to ME1, Kaidan makes a comment about hearing a 'hum' that makes his teeth tingle when you look at the statue of the mass relay in the Citadel. In ME3, James makes a couple of comments about hearing a 'hum'. Could there be an indoctrination device implanted somewhere on the Normandy? Hmmm....

Modifié par Vhalkyrie, 15 mars 2012 - 07:53 .

[Feebledobrev]

Dont know if anyone have pointed this out, at 12:20 it seems like the teleporter beam still is functioning but i have no idea if it is legit. If it is legit then there is slightly different perfect endings, one where the teleporter is functioning and one where it isn't.

Ended the game at 5500 war assets and at my ending it was dark.

[IhateEA-Mask]

Vhalkyrie wrote...

If you go back to ME1, Kaidan makes a comment about hearing a 'hum' that makes his teeth tingle when you look at the statue of the mass relay in the Citadel. In ME3, James makes a couple of comments about hearing a 'hum'. Could there be an indoctrination device implanted somewhere on the Normandy? Hmmm....

You remember humming in core of originally normandy? And in ME 2 in normandy's mass effect core? And in ME 3 and in shuttle? You can hear it yourself if you stay quiet  Its just the mass effect core.

[Tygur]

Valk72 wrote...

Goddy10 wrote...

Has NOBODY taken the time to examine Mac Walters notes?



Look at that last page; "End of first Matrix", with a side note "brave new world", meaning they're trying something new.

"Lots of speculation from everyone", exactly what this thread is all about.

They PLANNED THIS from the start.

I can't believe it... It was not an accident, it was planned all the way!! My god i hate BW! I hope they don't excpect to buy their crappy DLC or another game! ME3 was the last straw  for me!! They can go to hell for all i care, they deserve to rot there!!

I think the most interesting thing is the CHOICE --> CATALYST --> SHEPARDS ESSENCE note

[Serlith_]

Vhalkyrie wrote...

If you go back to ME1, Kaidan makes a comment about hearing a 'hum' that makes his teeth tingle when you look at the statue of the mass relay in the Citadel. In ME3, James makes a couple of comments about hearing a 'hum'. Could there be an indoctrination device implanted somewhere on the Normandy? Hmmm....

Ah, yes. This point has been already raised. The list of possibilites, order from the most believable:
1. The engines -.-
2. Reaper IFF installed on Normandy
3. Normandy's parts which were made from Reaper tech (needs evidence)
4. Shepard's implants, if he's been remodelled using Reaper Tech (even more evidence needed. Low chance of credibility, but IF TRUE, that holds a great importance as a proof to the Indoctrination theory. Unfortunatly, probability of this being true too low)

Modifié par Serlith_, 15 mars 2012 - 07:58 .

[Vhalkyrie]

IhateEA-Mask wrote...

Vhalkyrie wrote...

If you go back to ME1, Kaidan makes a comment about hearing a 'hum' that makes his teeth tingle when you look at the statue of the mass relay in the Citadel. In ME3, James makes a couple of comments about hearing a 'hum'. Could there be an indoctrination device implanted somewhere on the Normandy? Hmmm....

You remember humming in core of originally normandy? And in ME 2 in normandy's mass effect core? And in ME 3 and in shuttle? You can hear it yourself if you stay quiet  Its just the mass effect core.

Well Tali commented on how quiet the engines were.  In fact, when she first joins the ship she complains she can't sleep because it's too quiet. 

[CptData]

Vhalkyrie wrote...

If you go back to ME1, Kaidan makes a comment about hearing a 'hum' that makes his teeth tingle when you look at the statue of the mass relay in the Citadel. In ME3, James makes a couple of comments about hearing a 'hum'. Could there be an indoctrination device implanted somewhere on the Normandy? Hmmm....

VERY plausible.

I mean, the weakest form of indoctrination is to show a perfect place. The Citadel was intended to house the government(s) of any spacefaring civilization so the Reapers could kill them with the first attack and leave the rest being desorganized and panicked.

Ashley states it to: the place feels perfect - TOO perfect, as if there's someone hiding something.

So the Citadel itself indoctrinates everyone - including the Council. Just on a very, very subtle level. Maybe it even was designed in a way NO one on board got indoctrinated to actively help the Reapers (like Saren). However, the Council was presented as hurdle for Shepard ... even if they made him/her to a Spectre, they never believed in the Reapers until they knocked right at the door. And even then they tended to protect their own worlds instead of forging an allied military to attack the Reapers in force.

Indoctrination of the Citadel's inhabitants? Yes, Sir.

[diabit]

jamiekas wrote...

diabit wrote...

Not sure If anyone else has noticed (damned if I'm going through 549 pages to check) but there is a massive lack of cohesion in the end choices. Synthesis targets all life in the galaxy, which seams possible. Control ONLY targets the Reapers, which clearly shows the Crucible can easily tell what's a Reaper and what is a normal synthetic. So why does the destroy ending result in the destruction of ALL synthetics?

Just trying to help the theory, despite Biowares current vague attempts to disprove it.

Look at the theories about indoctrination ending. It makes sense.
If the Catalyst Kid is actually like a weird embodiment of the Reapers, then he is trying to dissuade Shep from choosing to destroy. He says "Do you think you could live without synthetics?" He also says Shep is partially Synthetic, so Shepard would not have woken up under the rubble if he did indeed actually kill all synthetics. Which would mean that the whole ending is a lie. Indoctrination theory in a nutshell.

That's what I meant (may not have come across clearly enough). I'm a firm supporter of the theory. As the endings stand they are too much of a mess when compared to each other. But add in the theory and it starts to make sense.

And to be fair, even if the current endings are the real endings, they're still lies!

[Niemack Saarinen]

_Flipp_ wrote...

mutermath wrote...

_Flipp_ wrote...


You got it a bit wrong my friend - as far as I understood it all you see after being hit by Harbingers Beam ( when running down that hill ) is some kind of imagination. It kinda represents the inner struggle of Shepard, denying ( or losing himself ) to indoctrination. If he doesnt get indoctrinated ( choses to destroy reapers ) he will wake up again lying in the rubble in london ( that short last "Breath" scene ).
At this point the reapers have not been defeated, nor is he at the citadel. He just avoided being indoctrinated.

so that means the citadel is still closed right?

According to the most common indoctrination theory - yeah!

To elaborate, -- Admiral Hackett  is calling on the radio, the radio she was able to talk to Anderson with "Supposedly" but now that Hackett is radioing in asking "shepard..shepard.. the citadel isnt opening it must be something on your end" -  every time shep talks or says something hackett never responds, you'd think if it was real  hackett would be like "Get up soldier you have a job to do, quit laying down like a beaten dog" something to rile up shepard but he doesn't.  So yeah the citadel is still closed your on the ground in london still unconscious and your hearing the radio comms subconsciously (that are actualling being said in reality)

[Abram730]

TheEllms wrote...

Problem with indoctrinated theory: The Prothean VI on Thessia (I think it was called Vendetta) seemed to be able to detect that Kai Leng was indoctrinated. Wouldn't it have said something if Shepard was indoctrinated?
If that was the case then could Vendetta have fed Shepard false information?

Indoctrination is a process, Indoctrinated is a state... The state is detectable by a Prothean VI.. Detecting indoctrination would be detecting the "active" though patterns of reapers in a subject.


Theoretical - > very theoretical

If I were to "presuppose" such a Tech. I would first point out that science has nothing on it.. It's a complete void.. It's an area of reality that classical thinking will and does refuse to look at.

The most reliable and useful methods work at very cold temps, and that is not us.

the only methods I can think of would be
a)smell, Chemical compounds are regular enough to create the corresponding thought construct required to create an intangled mind state. Humans have the required olfactory genes for such connection turned off... Prothean's clearly don't, as to conversation in the game.. A person can't sniff you and know how your day was.. We developed language for this.
b)motor control is often quite regular and observable, It can be used to create entangled mind states, it isn't very reliable though.
c)brain scan method - no data, no idea on plausibility and requires too many presupposition. The guess would be that knowing the spacial patterns of neuronal activity would be useful to create a mirrored state.

information transfer destroys the state and can only reference a known.. There is no "actual" transfer, just mirrored and conjoined states.
Prothean Tech would make microchips look like cave paintings. WELL beyond what humans could do in any foreseeable future.

Organic life uses such a difficult methods(hot quantum) because of evolution.. there is no objective communications that wouldn't be exploited. This can't be exploited without having the objective information.. the key or cypher... I the case of cells the DNA / RNA. It's intrinsic to how cells function locally, so the base structure was there.. Humans are just divorced from nature and evolution... Our system is based on deception and control, thus this is a taboo subject.

[Lost Cipher]

It was always a case of them screwing up. You deceived yourself to believe that Bioware was some god at story telling. Guess what, they are not.

You told yourself that the indoctrination/hallucination theory was right. Yet me and others told you about something called Occam's Razor and Russell's Teapot. Yet you do did not want to see reason.

They are making people pay for the Last Hours of ME3 app. They had a better ending, but they chose the ****ty one because people would talk about it. Does that paint them as the benevolent master story tellers that everyone wants them to be? It does not!

It's over. You still have ME1 and ME2, and what was good of ME3.

[Serlith_]

CptData wrote...

Vhalkyrie wrote...

If you go back to ME1, Kaidan makes a comment about hearing a 'hum' that makes his teeth tingle when you look at the statue of the mass relay in the Citadel. In ME3, James makes a couple of comments about hearing a 'hum'. Could there be an indoctrination device implanted somewhere on the Normandy? Hmmm....

VERY plausible.

I mean, the weakest form of indoctrination is to show a perfect place. The Citadel was intended to house the government(s) of any spacefaring civilization so the Reapers could kill them with the first attack and leave the rest being desorganized and panicked.

Ashley states it to: the place feels perfect - TOO perfect, as if there's someone hiding something.

So the Citadel itself indoctrinates everyone - including the Council. Just on a very, very subtle level. Maybe it even was designed in a way NO one on board got indoctrinated to actively help the Reapers (like Saren). However, the Council was presented as hurdle for Shepard ... even if they made him/her to a Spectre, they never believed in the Reapers until they knocked right at the door. And even then they tended to protect their own worlds instead of forging an allied military to attack the Reapers in force.

Indoctrination of the Citadel's inhabitants? Yes, Sir.

Gods... It was forgotten, but the Citadel has the same origins as the Reapers... Hell knows what was built into it ACTUALLY (Well, probably Keepers do, but d'oh)

But that would be implying... That everyone USING MASS RELAYS is being indoctrinated also. Wouldn't it?

Modifié par Serlith_, 15 mars 2012 - 08:04 .

[dfstone]

I don't think Shepherd was indoctrinated, I think they were trying to indoctrinate him.

[Martukis]

So I was just thinking about it, and in a way, all three choices are represented in the game. Destroy is seen with Mordin in the tower (either total destruction if the sabotage is successful, or just of the cure, if he is not). Control is shown by the Illusive man, and Synthesis is seen with Legion. I don't know if it is just foreshadowing, or what, but seems interesting to me.

[ME3EndingH8er]

I really want this theory to be true, but I found a fatal flaw. When we meet the Prothean VI on Thessia he says the reapers are tools of something else, that they work for a higher being or something. And when we destroy the reaper on Rannoch he says the reapers have a purpose more than you no, something like that. If the godchild was a dream it still seems the reapers work for someone else and unless shepherd can dream the future then why did godchild thing appear?? I no im not directly quoting the reaper or the prothean VI but it is the jist of what they say.
PLEASE! Prove me wrong! I want this theory to be true so badly!  

[byne]

dfstone wrote...

Irishkev wrote...


What annoys me is that the game resets just before cerbus base. I mean its like the last two missions mean nothing.

Thats what is so suspicious.  They reset you to the beginning of the final mission, as if they want you to replay that mission.  In the other 2 games you just get to wander the galaxy finishing up any extra quests or exploring. 

First off, in ME1 you beat the game and that was it. ME2 was the first to let you play after beating the game. (Unless they changed ME1 on PC, I played it on xbox)

Second: they put you back before the assault on TIM's base because after TIM's base, the Citadel is under Reaper control, and you cant finish any sidequests or anything.