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[Rifneno]

Serlith_ wrote...

Vhalkyrie wrote...

If you go back to ME1, Kaidan makes a comment about hearing a 'hum' that makes his teeth tingle when you look at the statue of the mass relay in the Citadel. In ME3, James makes a couple of comments about hearing a 'hum'. Could there be an indoctrination device implanted somewhere on the Normandy? Hmmm....

Ah, yes. This point has been already raised. The list of possibilites, order from the most believable:
1. The engines -.-
2. Reaper IFF installed on Normandy
3. Normandy's parts which were made from Reaper tech (needs evidence)
4. Shepard's implants, if he's been remodelled using Reaper Tech (even more evidence needed. Low chance of credibility, but IF TRUE, that holds a great importance as a proof to the Indoctrination theory. Unfortunatly, probability of this being true too low)

I don't know why Shepard's implants involving Reaper tech is a stretch.  I've figured since shortly after finishing ME2 that Shepard's implants had Reaper tech.  TIM used parts of Sovereign to make EDI and that's even riskier.  The Cerberus logs we got in ME3 make it even more likely.  The scientists told him "it's not a question of funds or research, it just can't be done" then all of a sudden it's done and never explained how.

[Ona Demonie]

dfstone wrote...

I don't think Shepherd was indoctrinated, I think they were trying to indoctrinate him.

...That's the whole theory.

Okay, I'm just going to clear this up.

Indoctrinate = Saren, Illusive Man.
TRYING to Indoctrinate is different than ACTUALLY BEING indoctrinated. People have been confusing the two. The whole theory is that the reapers are TRYING to indoctrinate him over the course of the game and the moment Shepard wakes up from Harbinger's blast, the indoctrination is stronger but Shepard is not FULLY indoctrinated UNLESS you choose Control or Synthesis.

[CptData]

Serlith_ wrote...

Gods... It was forgotten, but the Citadel has the same origins as the Reapers... Hell knows what was built into it ACTUALLY (Well, probably Keepers do, but d'oh)

But that would be implying... That everyone USING MASS RELAYS is being indoctrinated also. Wouldn't it?

No, at least not beyond the point of "using the Relays is an idea fantastique!!!".

The Relays don't indoctrinate people, the contact is far too brief. However, if you live on board of the Citadel, you're exposed to indoctrination for days, weeks, months and even years. And that indoctrination just tells you the Citadel is a wonderful place to live and put your species leaders here. That's all. Very subtle.

[Valk72]

http://social.biowar...index/9999272/1

I don't know what to think now...

[Rifneno]

Lost Cipher wrote...

It was always a case of them screwing up. You deceived yourself to believe that Bioware was some god at story telling. Guess what, they are not.

You told yourself that the indoctrination/hallucination theory was right. Yet me and others told you about something called Occam's Razor and Russell's Teapot. Yet you do did not want to see reason.

They are making people pay for the Last Hours of ME3 app. They had a better ending, but they chose the ****ty one because people would talk about it. Does that paint them as the benevolent master story tellers that everyone wants them to be? It does not!

It's over. You still have ME1 and ME2, and what was good of ME3.

People who think Occam's Razor applies to fiction make me laugh.

[Prumand]

This all is killing me. I mean, I saw my squad members die, and yet they are in the crash. I disabled all synthetics, yet the Normandy is still mostly intact. How the hell did Joker outrun a blast like that, if the reapers can't, and how did he know it was coming.

Come on Bioware, you're really killing my Mass Effect experience.

[UKillMeLongTime]

I read about the hampster and damn he does walk out, put feet on the glass and a sounds made and he runs back into his little house

yeah that's just a fluke.................no

he's def scared of shep

[Favourite store on the CitadeI]

I truly hope so. But it seems so out of place, Shepard is normally such a strong character

[dfstone]

ME3EndingH8er wrote...

I really want this theory to be true, but I found a fatal flaw. When we meet the Prothean VI on Thessia he says the reapers are tools of something else, that they work for a higher being or something. And when we destroy the reaper on Rannoch he says the reapers have a purpose more than you no, something like that. If the godchild was a dream it still seems the reapers work for someone else and unless shepherd can dream the future then why did godchild thing appear?? I no im not directly quoting the reaper or the prothean VI but it is the jist of what they say.
PLEASE! Prove me wrong! I want this theory to be true so badly!  

I don't think the ghost kid was a dream.  I think that was really the reapers talking to Shepherd.  They were trying to indoctrinate him thru his implants and used the ghost kid to guilt him out of destroying the reapers.  The reapers were scared of him because they knew he was the only one that could use the Crucible because he had the Prothean data stored in his head from ME1.  Once Shepherd touched the beacon on Eden Prime he became the Catalyst, he just didn't know it.

[LTKerr]

dfstone wrote...

jamiekas wrote...

Maybe someone else said this. Maybe I am speaking the obvious. Maybe I'm just being really stupid. But, is the Catalyst actually a reaper? Because when he explains everything to Shepard, the boy says "I know you've thought about destroying us." Shepard was trying to destroy the reapers. So when he says Destroying US, is he saying that he is a reaper?
Am I missing something because I thought the Catalyst was some kind of representative of whatever organics created the reapers in the first place?

In ME1 soverign states that no one created the reapers.  That they "have always been here".

I took that as reaper bull****. Someone/something made them but that's not explained anywhere. And no, that child is not their creator, because that child is just and hallucination.

[CptData]

ME3EndingH8er wrote...

I really want this theory to be true, but I found a fatal flaw. When we meet the Prothean VI on Thessia he says the reapers are tools of something else, that they work for a higher being or something. And when we destroy the reaper on Rannoch he says the reapers have a purpose more than you no, something like that. If the godchild was a dream it still seems the reapers work for someone else and unless shepherd can dream the future then why did godchild thing appear?? I no im not directly quoting the reaper or the prothean VI but it is the jist of what they say.
PLEASE! Prove me wrong! I want this theory to be true so badly!  

I said it before: Shepard's mind was to fight indoctrination for full three ME parts - except the very last one in the end and while Shepard was sleeping. As long as s/he was awake and before getting shellshocked by Harby's beam, s/he was able to keep the indoctrination check mate and therefore, the Prothean VI wasn't able to detect indoctrination. Also keep in mind the VI -can- fail or the Protheans wouldn't had got defeated from inside.

[Barheet1]

Goddy10 wrote...

Has NOBODY taken the time to examine Mac Walters notes?



Look at that last page; "End of first Matrix", with a side note "brave new world", meaning they're trying something new.

"Lots of speculation from everyone", exactly what this thread is all about.

They PLANNED THIS from the start.

LOL haven't you seen The Matrix? At the end of the movie, it seems as though Neo dies, but he comes back to life and kicks the crap out of Agent Smith! 

This story isn't over yet. 

[ME3EndingH8er]

CptData wrote...

ME3EndingH8er wrote...

I really want this theory to be true, but I found a fatal flaw. When we meet the Prothean VI on Thessia he says the reapers are tools of something else, that they work for a higher being or something. And when we destroy the reaper on Rannoch he says the reapers have a purpose more than you no, something like that. If the godchild was a dream it still seems the reapers work for someone else and unless shepherd can dream the future then why did godchild thing appear?? I no im not directly quoting the reaper or the prothean VI but it is the jist of what they say.
PLEASE! Prove me wrong! I want this theory to be true so badly!  

I said it before: Shepard's mind was to fight indoctrination for full three ME parts - except the very last one in the end and while Shepard was sleeping. As long as s/he was awake and before getting shellshocked by Harby's beam, s/he was able to keep the indoctrination check mate and therefore, the Prothean VI wasn't able to detect indoctrination. Also keep in mind the VI -can- fail or the Protheans wouldn't had got defeated from inside.

but why did the reapers tell shephard their origan?? just seemed weird

[Vhalkyrie]

TheEllms wrote...

Problem with indoctrinated theory: The Prothean VI on Thessia (I think it was called Vendetta) seemed to be able to detect that Kai Leng was indoctrinated. Wouldn't it have said something if Shepard was indoctrinated?
If that was the case then could Vendetta have fed Shepard false information?

Nice catch.

Playing devil's advocate (because I want to believe dammit), the Prothean VI detected Kai Leng's indoctrination because he had already accepted indoctrination.  Shepard had not yet accepted Reaper control.  The process of indoctrination is like a virus trying to breach the firewall of Shepard's mind.  Maybe the Prothean VI was programmed to detect indoctrination like a virus, but could not detect uncompleted indoctrinations.

[JustaCopy]

Really, how did you notice all those things?
I noticed some, like the turned 1m1t ting. For me it was lazy BioWare ppl who didn't think of turning the texture for 180°. I had several reason to belive that (auto-dialog, less choices, less side missions --> BioWare & EA to busy to make promotion vids and MP and too lazy to add content).

But your theories are at least explanations for the ending sequence which make even sense.
Thanks for the insights. Next time have to look closer

[Earthborn_Shepard]

Barheet1 wrote...

Goddy10 wrote...

Has NOBODY taken the time to examine Mac Walters notes?



Look at that last page; "End of first Matrix", with a side note "brave new world", meaning they're trying something new.

"Lots of speculation from everyone", exactly what this thread is all about.

They PLANNED THIS from the start.

LOL haven't you seen The Matrix? At the end of the movie, it seems as though Neo dies, but he comes back to life and kicks the crap out of Agent Smith! 

This story isn't over yet.

Btw, what's up with "brave new world"? Nothing in ME has a distant connection to anything happening in that book, especially not the endings.

[Roll Equals Cute]

Back from work, SSV New Yorker is still in the fight.

Hold the line, friends!

[TheFarLeft]

Did anyone else think the way that Anderson stood up from that console at the end was weird? It looked like he was being forced to stand up. His posture was rigid and just looked unnatural, and he didn't respond the first few times Shepard called his name.

[CptData]

Valk72 wrote...

http://social.biowar...index/9999272/1

I don't know what to think now...

Accept it.

Take a deep breath.

Laugh.

No one said "Shepard is not indoctrinated" or "Shepard is not dreaming", right?

Theory still valid.
I don't feel offended, bummed or whatever.
Somehow it feels like a victory to me, not like defeat. Guess I'm the only one ...

However, still holding the line!

[FrostByte-GER]

And? Some new conclusions or facts or proofs?

[Earthborn_Shepard]

TheFarLeft wrote...

Did anyone else think the way that Anderson stood up from that console at the end was weird? It looked like he was being forced to stand up. His posture was rigid and just looked unnatural, and he didn't respond the first few times Shepard called his name.

Because he's controlled by TIM

[Hunter22]

Someone mentioned the kid at the railing in the first mission when you have to kill the husks.
Just thought I'd drop the footage in.
Weird that the reaper targets the building where the kid entered, just when Shepard gets close to it.

Modifié par Hunter22, 15 mars 2012 - 08:19 .

[GunMoth]

JustaCopy wrote...

Really, how did you notice all those things?
I noticed some, like the turned 1m1t ting. For me it was lazy BioWare ppl who didn't think of turning the texture for 180°. I had several reason to belive that (auto-dialog, less choices, less side missions --> BioWare & EA to busy to make promotion vids and MP and too lazy to add content).

But your theories are at least explanations for the ending sequence which make even sense.
Thanks for the insights. Next time have to look closer

I'm assuming that there was a seperate team working on the MP.
Also, why would the level designer mess up on the most important stage in the game? The stage is too simplistic for an oversight like that to occur. Especially considering how complex most of the other levels are in comparison (and how there are no backwards textures that I have encountered yet). 

There is also a lot of other physical evidence, such as the Mako + the wheels we see up in the citadel etc. etc. 

[Vhalkyrie]

CptData wrote..

However, still holding the line!

I'm indoctrinated with indoctrination.  ../../../images/forum/emoticons/wink.png

[CptData]

Barheet1 wrote...

LOL haven't you seen The Matrix? At the end of the movie, it seems as though Neo dies, but he comes back to life and kicks the crap out of Agent Smith! 

This story isn't over yet. 

Don't forget about the -real- ending of the Matrix Trilogy.

The Matrix is just a simulation in another Matrix so the people not believing in the first Matrix are still in another Matrix and feeding robots with their energy. Or do they exist at all?

Must say, I hated the end of that trilogy - never saw the last part.