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[GunMoth]

Hunter22 wrote...

Someone mentioned the kid at the railing in the first mission when you have to kill the husks.
Just thought I'd drop the footage in.
Weird that the reaper targets the building where the kid entered, just when Shepard gets close to it.

HHnksdhfk!!!!111 That's so trippy. :U 

[FrostByte-GER]

CptData wrote...

Valk72 wrote...

http://social.biowar...index/9999272/1

I don't know what to think now...

Accept it.

Take a deep breath.

Laugh.

No one said "Shepard is not indoctrinated" or "Shepard is not dreaming", right?

Theory still valid.
I don't feel offended, bummed or whatever.
Somehow it feels like a victory to me, not like defeat. Guess I'm the only one ...

However, still holding the line!

We ARE STILL HOLDING THE LINE! 

[El-Kelebrin]

I didn't see this in previous threads - Citadel is believed to be Catalyst only because Prothean VI told us so. Maybe VI was manipulated by TIM - it only a computer program with no self-awarnes.

[Tygur]

People, do you really think they would include anything about DLC or another ending in some little app before they even made an announcement for/against it?

[MysticBinary82]

LTKerr wrote...

dfstone wrote...

jamiekas wrote...

Maybe someone else said this. Maybe I am speaking the obvious. Maybe I'm just being really stupid. But, is the Catalyst actually a reaper? Because when he explains everything to Shepard, the boy says "I know you've thought about destroying us." Shepard was trying to destroy the reapers. So when he says Destroying US, is he saying that he is a reaper?
Am I missing something because I thought the Catalyst was some kind of representative of whatever organics created the reapers in the first place?

In ME1 soverign states that no one created the reapers.  That they "have always been here".

I took that as reaper bull****. Someone/something made them but that's not explained anywhere. And no, that child is not their creator, because that child is just and hallucination.

Or the Reapers have a collective mind. So it could be, that all reapers at once try to indoctrinate Shep. Legion always spoke in plural form until the end when he becames individual.

[lex0r11]

don't let a piece of paper get to you people. only proves what we already know.



shep speaking to the community, because he can't fight for us.

youtu.be/m_iKg7nutNY



HOLD THE LINE!

[CptData]

Vhalkyrie wrote...

CptData wrote..

However, still holding the line!

I'm indoctrinated with indoctrination.  ../../../images/forum/emoticons/wink.png

So to speak. Nope - I can see it clearly now. Except the "endings are a dream" theory is created by indoctrinated minds.

Creepy theory: the first Reaper was constructed by ME players who got indoctrinated by fictional Reapers in a videogame ... which told them to construct a Reaper ...

[Vhalkyrie]

Barheet1 wrote...

LOL haven't you seen The Matrix? At the end of the movie, it seems as though Neo dies, but he comes back to life and kicks the crap out of Agent Smith! 

This story isn't over yet.

You have just become my hero and saved my faith in this theory.  Shepard = Neo!

[turian_rage]

lex0r11 wrote...

don't let a piece of paper get to you people. only proves what we already know.



shep speaking to the community, because he can't fight for us.

youtu.be/m_iKg7nutNY



HOLD THE LINE!

YES. There's no way the writers got 99% of the game right and just cut it off like that. No way, James Vega.

LINE HELD.

[LyletheBloody]

Photoshopped - link removed

Modifié par LyletheBloody, 15 mars 2012 - 08:25 .

[Valk72]

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CptData wrote...

Valk72 wrote...

http://social.biowar...index/9999272/1

I don't know what to think now...

Accept it.

Take a deep breath.

Laugh.

No one said "Shepard is not indoctrinated" or "Shepard is not dreaming", right?

Theory still valid.
I don't feel offended, bummed or whatever.
Somehow it feels like a victory to me, not like defeat. Guess I'm the only one ...

However, still holding the line!

Yeah, i'll hold the line. But if it's not true and if the dev-team doesn't do anything to fix it, i can't say that i will be able to controle me anymore. I'll just go declare war on BW and bash them whenever i can. They have done nothing but lying to us pre-release for god-damn sake!!!

[Davies993]

Valk72 wrote...

http://social.biowar...index/9999272/1

I don't know what to think now...

The only thing there that could even remotely disprove the Indoc theory is the following quote;

[regarding DLC] Whatever we do would likely happen before or during the events of Mass Effect 3, not after.

And even that is open to debate. Not only is it not definitive, The indoc theory takes place during ME3, not after.

The leaving things open part and intentionally not answering questions we all actually wanted to know seems pretty amateur for a company like Bioware. Can't believe they actually sat down and thought up some of this crap.

Modifié par Davies993, 15 mars 2012 - 08:24 .

[Noob451]

LyletheBloody wrote...

The starchild or vent rat is named Harbinger in the game files... see http://social.biowar...x/10009723&lf=8 for details.

Damning evidence one way or the other to be sure.

supposedly that's photoshopped, but why was the thread locked?

[LTKerr]

Barheet1 wrote...

Goddy10 wrote...

Has NOBODY taken the time to examine Mac Walters notes?

*Image removed*

Look at that last page; "End of first Matrix", with a side note "brave new world", meaning they're trying something new.

"Lots of speculation from everyone", exactly what this thread is all about.

They PLANNED THIS from the start.

LOL haven't you seen The Matrix? At the end of the movie, it seems as though Neo dies, but he comes back to life and kicks the crap out of Agent Smith! 

This story isn't over yet.

Brave new world? I was listening the song from Dragon Age:Origins ending and it has those words. Funny .
Anyway, after reading that stuff I'm afraid we ain't gonna have any DLC ending, or at least that's not what they planned. Oh, wait. Maybe that's exactly what they planned: a lot of disappointed people specutaling around those crappy endings.

Aahhhrg this is not funny, BioWare!

Modifié par LTKerr, 15 mars 2012 - 08:24 .

[Earthborn_Shepard]

LyletheBloody wrote...

The starchild or vent rat is named Harbinger in the game files... see http://social.biowar...x/10009723&lf=8 for details.

Damning evidence one way or the other to be sure.

Nope it's not. It's a fake. This was already posted a hundred times.

[GunMoth]

LyletheBloody wrote...
htfgf
Damning evidence one way or the other to be sure.

Is this legitimate though? I'm going to find a UE reader thing today so I can confirm this and the TIM "pillar" ending being the "BADENDING". 

Making sure we dont spread photoshopped stuff around.

EDITEDIT: Ah okay nevermind. :3 Fake

Modifié par GunMoth, 15 mars 2012 - 08:26 .

[UKillMeLongTime]

Hunter22 wrote...

Someone mentioned the kid at the railing in the first mission when you have to kill the husks.
Just thought I'd drop the footage in.
Weird that the reaper targets the building where the kid entered, just when Shepard gets close to it.

kid was teh target
'u can't save me'


but now these notes pop up i don't know what to think. I do know they can do whatever they want
If they want to do N7 missions for 800ms pts that double as MP maps go ahead. I ain't buying that unless 
i get some answers for the last 15 mins of the game. Won't make money until then from me

[bigbade]

This isn't addressed in the original post, but in the Shepard survives ending, you clearly hear a reaper buzz as the camera is panning up to his body..isn't that proof enough that it's in london and that it is pre-catalyst/citadel?

[melodicEntropy]

The ending was fantastic just the way it was.

Ahh, minority status is surprisingly cozy.

[GunMoth]

bigbade wrote...

This isn't addressed in the original post, but in the Shepard survives ending, you clearly hear a reaper buzz as the camera is panning up to his body..isn't that proof enough that it's in london and that it is pre-catalyst/citadel?

Imo yes. But the OP updates what/when they can. Seems busy considering this topic is 500+ pages now. There's a lot more evidence that isn't up there yet either. 

[LyletheBloody]

Noob451 wrote...

LyletheBloody wrote...

The starchild or vent rat is named Harbinger in the game files... see http://social.biowar...x/10009723&lf=8 for details.

Damning evidence one way or the other to be sure.

supposedly that's photoshopped, but why was the thread locked?

That would be my question.

At any rate, link removed.  Not sure why they lock if fake.

[DrGuns]

I have not read 500+ pages, but here's something that may not have been said yet. It concerns the player indoctrination theory, as all the indoctrination theories use things that would only make sense to the player, not Shepard, the "colors" being the most obvious.

The entire "player indoctrination" thing falls apart on the basis that if it were true - which i highly doubt - it is not indoctrination, but conditioning. The two are vastly different. Indoctrination would have you sincerely believe, with regards to a lot of data and potentially even evidence to the contrary, that your choice is the right one. Indoctrination is throwing Jews into ovens because you are convinced they are inferior, it is blowing up yourself and thousands of others because you are certain this will land you in paradise, it is weeping sincere tears for the death of your national leader, who is obviously also a god.

In Mass Effect, there is a system that says "blue = good" and "red = bad". We sometimes take red choices if we play good characters (or vise versa), because it makes sense in the context to do so. This clearly shows we are not "indoctrinated" by the red/blue system, we simply view them as they are: a reliable tool in the game.

Per the player indoctrination theory, this tool would then, at the very end, be turned completely on its head. We are also given almost no information or context, which means that we are more or less forced to rely upon this tool to choose the option that would, we hope, make sense for the Shepard we are (role)playing. Nearly no-one, in the end, goes for example to the blue colored choice fully believing that it is the right one (I didn't, at least), because there is no indoctrination. But there is conditioning. With so much data missing, we go back to our reliable tool and pick the color that should match our Shepard. Again per the player indoctrination theory, this is now the "wrong" choice.

This is not ballsy, or genius. It is basically BioWare taking a swing at us and then saying "HA! Made you flinch." Or going to a campus and breaking a soda-machine that has been there for years, then pointing at people throwing coins in it in vain and shouting "WITNESS MY VAST POWERS OF INDOCTRINATION!" It is, as David Mitchell puts it, the technique of the bully.

Frankly, I hope they are merely incompetent at writing endings. Because this would be infinitely worse in my mind.

[Noob451]

thought just came to me...slightly off topic.

does anybody remember all the buzz on the internet about the triforce being in Ocarina of Time?

the buzz and speculation from this ending  feels a lot like that.

Modifié par Noob451, 15 mars 2012 - 08:28 .

[GunMoth]

DrGuns wrote...

I have not read 500+ pages, but here's something that may not have been said yet. It concerns the player indoctrination theory, as all the indoctrination theories use things that would only make sense to the player, not Shepard, the "colors" being the most obvious.

The entire "player indoctrination" thing falls apart on the basis that if it were true - which i highly doubt - it is not indoctrination, but conditioning. The two are vastly different. Indoctrination would have you sincerely believe, with regards to a lot of data and potentially even evidence to the contrary, that your choice is the right one. Indoctrination is throwing Jews into ovens because you are convinced they are inferior, it is blowing up yourself and thousands of others because you are certain this will land you in paradise, it is weeping sincere tears for the death of your national leader, who is obviously also a god.

In Mass Effect, there is a system that says "blue = good" and "red = bad". We sometimes take red choices if we play good characters (or vise versa), because it makes sense in the context to do so. This clearly shows we are not "indoctrinated" by the red/blue system, we simply view them as they are: a reliable tool in the game.

Per the player indoctrination theory, this tool would then, at the very end, be turned completely on its head. We are also given almost no information or context, which means that we are more or less forced to rely upon this tool to choose the option that would, we hope, make sense for the Shepard we are (role)playing. Nearly no-one, in the end, goes for example to the blue colored choice fully believing that it is the right one (I didn't, at least), because there is no indoctrination. But there is conditioning. With so much data missing, we go back to our reliable tool and pick the color that should match our Shepard. Again per the player indoctrination theory, this is now the "wrong" choice.

This is not ballsy, or genius. It is basically BioWare taking a swing at us and then saying "HA! Made you flinch." Or going to a campus and breaking a soda-machine that has been there for years, then pointing at people throwing coins in it in vain and shouting "WITNESS MY VAST POWERS OF INDOCTRINATION!" It is, as David Mitchell puts it, the technique of the bully.

Frankly, I hope they are merely incompetent at writing endings. Because this would be infinitely worse in my mind.

Yes this has been brought up.

Its the same concept as the backwards "1m1" on the right side of the stage. The right side of the citadel has backwards textures (the RIGHT side has "Andersons" ending which is presented to us as "the bad ending" by the Catalyst and by shepard). Where as everything is to the left. The colors were conditioning, but the rest is considered "priming". 

Modifié par GunMoth, 15 mars 2012 - 08:29 .