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Hollowhisp wrote...
I don'y understand why people focus on whether BioWare was planning this or not, a better ending DLC or some form of elaboration will be required to win over the community. Indoc theory works, this is a fact whether or not they intended it to be there. So there is a good chance it will get picked up and used either way.
tuzem2 wrote...
Is anyone else worried about the posted stuff around the forums from "The Final Hours of Mass Effect" where they discuss possibilities for DLC's and state that the event of these DLC's will take please either before the events of ME3 or during...
Tomorrow I'm using my emergency induction port to drown my sorrow
Btw, I'm watching the new ME3 Trailer "The War Begins" () ... my thought is look how optimistic/heroic/good-ending-like the trailer/music... it's kind of ironic...
jules_vern18 wrote...
Davies993 wrote...
jules_vern18 wrote... I was just listing other inane and desperate conspiracy theories to compare yours to. Sorry; less political examples did not come to mind.
But setting all that aside...just what WOULD convince you that this whole indoctrination theory was a waste of time?
A statement directly addressing it from Bioware? Doubt it, you would just say they are trolling you or that it's part of a some mass marketing indoctrinate-the-gamers nonsense.
New ending DLC that doesn't even mention indoctrination? No, because THAT ending would be fake too...the REAL ending is only for us SMART gamers to know...
Mac Walters personally coming over to your house to explain the ending to you? I dunno, you would probably argue with him.
Please: give to child's play, participate in the new ending forums, and protest what was just a bad call on Bioware's part. Hell, request that an indoctrination ending be included in future dlc! But this...this is just getting sad.
Please, don't insult my intelligence. Especially after the ridiculous comment you made a few minutes ago. Is this your attempt at trying to make up for that? Because boy is it not working.
Davies, entertaining though your indignation is, it was my intention to insult your intelligence. The lead writer's end-game notes came out and you still can't let go of your disproven theory!
And YES, I compared you to Birthers and Truthers. Is it an apt comparison in terms of scope or context? No. In terms of rabid denial of any contradictory evidence, desperate clinging to theories even as they dissolve, and inability to acknowledge any circumstance in which you might be wrong? YES. A THOUSAND TIMES YES.
Rifneno wrote...
IronSabbath88 wrote...
I was dissapointed but I laughed a bit at how the Salarian was all "CAREFUL!!" like he knew that thing was pissed off and was gonna tear them a new one if he got out.
Even better, I took Liara and Garrus. Got this:
*yahg escapes*
Shepard: Careful. There goes the next Shadow Broker.
Garrus: I could've sworn I heard him muttering "T'Soni..." the whole time.
Liara: Not funny!
Humakt83 wrote...
Quoting myself from another thread:Humakt83 wrote...
It says they removed the gameplay element that would have in essence made indoctrination theory OBVIOUS to everyone. What kind of conclusion it is then to say that indoctrination theory is dead when they did not want to make it obvious? If it had been made obvious, there would not have even been theory in the first place.
LOGIC, PEOPLE. LOGIC.
Doctor Moustache wrote...
Why do people not actually examine the damn ending and look for the clues presented before telling everyone its a stupid idea?
This isn't just "omg i don't wanna believe it, i wont!" this theory is based on actual evidence within the game that's hidden right under your damn nose. People in this thread simply took the time to examine it rather then take everything at face value.
Come on, either the theory is true or all the ending's confusing little **** ups all align completely on accident to form a very coherent picture. Whats REALLY less likely?
Rifneno wrote...
IronSabbath88 wrote...
I was dissapointed but I laughed a bit at how the Salarian was all "CAREFUL!!" like he knew that thing was pissed off and was gonna tear them a new one if he got out.
Even better, I took Liara and Garrus. Got this:
*yahg escapes*
Shepard: Careful. There goes the next Shadow Broker.
Garrus: I could've sworn I heard him muttering "T'Soni..." the whole time.
Liara: Not funny!
Martukis wrote...
tuzem2 wrote...
Is anyone else worried about the posted stuff around the forums from "The Final Hours of Mass Effect" where they discuss possibilities for DLC's and state that the event of these DLC's will take please either before the events of ME3 or during...
Tomorrow I'm using my emergency induction port to drown my sorrow
Btw, I'm watching the new ME3 Trailer "The War Begins" () ... my thought is look how optimistic/heroic/good-ending-like the trailer/music... it's kind of ironic...
Any future DLC will likely take place before or during the events of ME3. Likely =! certainly
jules_vern18 wrote...
Doctor Moustache wrote...
Why do people not actually examine the damn ending and look for the clues presented before telling everyone its a stupid idea?
This isn't just "omg i don't wanna believe it, i wont!" this theory is based on actual evidence within the game that's hidden right under your damn nose. People in this thread simply took the time to examine it rather then take everything at face value.
Come on, either the theory is true or all the ending's confusing little **** ups all align completely on accident to form a very coherent picture. Whats REALLY less likely?
Thing is, I have READ the theories, have lurked on these threads, and was open to the indoctrination idea as a possible (though implausible) scenario. You'll notice I never posted on this topic before the Final Hours pictures came out.
But now those pictures are out and they completely, finally, and categorically disprove this theory. I'm encouraging you to accept that and focus your efforts on getting new ending dlc instead of wasting time on an idea that no longer holds water. For God's sake, being able to accept that new data disproves your theory and moving on to better uses of your time is nothing to be ashamed of.
Hollowhisp wrote...
I don'y understand why people focus on whether BioWare was planning this or not, a better ending DLC or some form of elaboration will be required to win over the community. Indoc theory works, this is a fact whether or not they intended it to be there. So there is a good chance it will get picked up and used either way.
byne wrote...
jules_vern18 wrote...
Doctor Moustache wrote...
Why do people not actually examine the damn ending and look for the clues presented before telling everyone its a stupid idea?
This isn't just "omg i don't wanna believe it, i wont!" this theory is based on actual evidence within the game that's hidden right under your damn nose. People in this thread simply took the time to examine it rather then take everything at face value.
Come on, either the theory is true or all the ending's confusing little **** ups all align completely on accident to form a very coherent picture. Whats REALLY less likely?
Thing is, I have READ the theories, have lurked on these threads, and was open to the indoctrination idea as a possible (though implausible) scenario. You'll notice I never posted on this topic before the Final Hours pictures came out.
But now those pictures are out and they completely, finally, and categorically disprove this theory. I'm encouraging you to accept that and focus your efforts on getting new ending dlc instead of wasting time on an idea that no longer holds water. For God's sake, being able to accept that new data disproves your theory and moving on to better uses of your time is nothing to be ashamed of.
>Still hasnt pointed to specific reasons
>Still accuses us of just not being able to see the truth
byne wrote...
jules_vern18 wrote...
Davies993 wrote...
jules_vern18 wrote... I was just listing other inane and desperate conspiracy theories to compare yours to. Sorry; less political examples did not come to mind.
But setting all that aside...just what WOULD convince you that this whole indoctrination theory was a waste of time?
A statement directly addressing it from Bioware? Doubt it, you would just say they are trolling you or that it's part of a some mass marketing indoctrinate-the-gamers nonsense.
New ending DLC that doesn't even mention indoctrination? No, because THAT ending would be fake too...the REAL ending is only for us SMART gamers to know...
Mac Walters personally coming over to your house to explain the ending to you? I dunno, you would probably argue with him.
Please: give to child's play, participate in the new ending forums, and protest what was just a bad call on Bioware's part. Hell, request that an indoctrination ending be included in future dlc! But this...this is just getting sad.
Please, don't insult my intelligence. Especially after the ridiculous comment you made a few minutes ago. Is this your attempt at trying to make up for that? Because boy is it not working.
Davies, entertaining though your indignation is, it was my intention to insult your intelligence. The lead writer's end-game notes came out and you still can't let go of your disproven theory!
And YES, I compared you to Birthers and Truthers. Is it an apt comparison in terms of scope or context? No. In terms of rabid denial of any contradictory evidence, desperate clinging to theories even as they dissolve, and inability to acknowledge any circumstance in which you might be wrong? YES. A THOUSAND TIMES YES.
The end game notes say 'We wanted to cause speculation' and that they wanted the end to 'be like the Matrix'
One even says they thought about one where Reapers take over total control of you, indicating they at least thought about indoctrination.
I've not seen a single undeniable bit of evidence stating indoctrination isnt what happened.
In fact, all I've seen is you telling us we're just blind to the evidence, and clinging to our beliefs like mindless sheep, which, to take a page out of your book, is exactly what the birthers and truthers always say to me when I doubt their ridiculous theories.
Its never 'Here is my well reasoned argument', its always 'You just cant see the truth!'/
jules_vern18 wrote...
Davies993 wrote...
jules_vern18 wrote... I was just listing other inane and desperate conspiracy theories to compare yours to. Sorry; less political examples did not come to mind.
But setting all that aside...just what WOULD convince you that this whole indoctrination theory was a waste of time?
A statement directly addressing it from Bioware? Doubt it, you would just say they are trolling you or that it's part of a some mass marketing indoctrinate-the-gamers nonsense.
New ending DLC that doesn't even mention indoctrination? No, because THAT ending would be fake too...the REAL ending is only for us SMART gamers to know...
Mac Walters personally coming over to your house to explain the ending to you? I dunno, you would probably argue with him.
Please: give to child's play, participate in the new ending forums, and protest what was just a bad call on Bioware's part. Hell, request that an indoctrination ending be included in future dlc! But this...this is just getting sad.
Please, don't insult my intelligence. Especially after the ridiculous comment you made a few minutes ago. Is this your attempt at trying to make up for that? Because boy is it not working.
Davies, entertaining though your indignation is, it was my intention to insult your intelligence. The lead writer's end-game notes came out and you still can't let go of your disproven theory!
And YES, I compared you to Birthers and Truthers. Is it an apt comparison in terms of scope or context? No. In terms of rabid denial of any contradictory evidence, desperate clinging to theories even as they dissolve, and inability to acknowledge any circumstance in which you might be wrong? YES. A THOUSAND TIMES YES.
Modifié par MordiMoro, 15 mars 2012 - 11:24 .
jules_vern18 wrote...
Looks like this isn't going anywhere. I'll ask again, what specifically would it take to convince you that Bioware did not in fact write a super-secret indoctrination ending? I'm honestly curious...clearly I won't be able to convince you even if I did lay out a point-by-point deconstruction of your theory, so what would?
tuzem2 wrote...
Martukis wrote...
tuzem2 wrote...
Is anyone else worried about the posted stuff around the forums from "The Final Hours of Mass Effect" where they discuss possibilities for DLC's and state that the event of these DLC's will take please either before the events of ME3 or during...
Tomorrow I'm using my emergency induction port to drown my sorrow
Btw, I'm watching the new ME3 Trailer "The War Begins" () ... my thought is look how optimistic/heroic/good-ending-like the trailer/music... it's kind of ironic...
Any future DLC will likely take place before or during the events of ME3. Likely =! certainly
Yeah, there is still hope...
IronSabbath88 wrote...
I think it needs to be said again.
No where on that sheet of paper (or papers) does it say flat out that this is the true, 100% no coming back ending of the game.
Also, I again raise my point to this theory being true.
James Vega would NOT abandon Earth. Even IF the Normandy came to pick him up, even if he knew Shepard was gone, there's no way he'd stop fighting. Not a chance in hell. Same goes for Ashley and Kaidan. Earth is their home too.
byne wrote...
jules_vern18 wrote...
Looks like this isn't going anywhere. I'll ask again, what specifically would it take to convince you that Bioware did not in fact write a super-secret indoctrination ending? I'm honestly curious...clearly I won't be able to convince you even if I did lay out a point-by-point deconstruction of your theory, so what would?
Who said you cant convince me?
Go ahead, lay out a point-by-point deconstruction.
Maybe you'll convince me
jules_vern18 wrote...
Thing is, I have READ the theories, have lurked on these threads, and was open to the indoctrination idea as a possible (though implausible) scenario. You'll notice I never posted on this topic before the Final Hours pictures came out.
But now those pictures are out and they completely, finally, and categorically disprove this theory. I'm encouraging you to accept that and focus your efforts on getting new ending dlc instead of wasting time on an idea that no longer holds water. For God's sake, being able to accept that new data disproves your theory and moving on to better uses of your time is nothing to be ashamed of.
Dap Brannigan wrote...
byne wrote...
jules_vern18 wrote...
Looks like this isn't going anywhere. I'll ask again, what specifically would it take to convince you that Bioware did not in fact write a super-secret indoctrination ending? I'm honestly curious...clearly I won't be able to convince you even if I did lay out a point-by-point deconstruction of your theory, so what would?
Who said you cant convince me?
Go ahead, lay out a point-by-point deconstruction.
Maybe you'll convince me
Yes, deconstruct the OP's post point-by-point and I promise I'll read it. Really.
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