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[jules_vern18]

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

Hollowhisp wrote...

I don'y understand why people focus on whether BioWare was planning this or not, a better ending DLC or some form of elaboration will be required to win over the community. Indoc theory works, this is a fact whether or not they intended it to be there. So there is a good chance it will get picked up and used either way.

Because for the indoc theory to be true Bioware would've had to plan it from the start. Pretty simple.

^^This.  I didn't think it needed explaining, but apparently so.  If Bioware's ultimate ending was one where you've been indoctrinated the whole time, why do none of the lead writer's notes reflect this?  He literally has the endings we got written out as A, B, and C.  It's very clear.  What more do you want?  Again: what would it take to convince you?

Modifié par jules_vern18, 15 mars 2012 - 11:27 .

[magica87]

njfluffy19 wrote...

magica87 wrote...


the first portal to be destroyed is that of system Sol...so Joker say: " Oh the portal blows up! Let's put ourselves in a damn mess! "

I won't believe it! I won't!

me too! and joker words was ironic

good night! (for me are 00:30 AM) <_<

Modifié par magica87, 15 mars 2012 - 11:30 .

[Ichinei]

just my two cents here jules, i consider nothing to be final until bioware release an official statement regarding thier intentions for ME3, until then i choose to believe this theory because i want to

[byne]

MissMaster_2 wrote...

Dap Brannigan wrote...

byne wrote...

jules_vern18 wrote...

Looks like this isn't going anywhere.  I'll ask again, what specifically would it take to convince you that Bioware did not in fact write a super-secret indoctrination ending?  I'm honestly curious...clearly I won't be able to convince you even if I did lay out a point-by-point deconstruction of your theory, so what would? 

Who said you cant convince me?

Go ahead, lay out a point-by-point deconstruction.

Maybe you'll convince me

Yes, deconstruct the OP's post point-by-point and I promise I'll read it.  Really.

Me too.

Well, there you go Jules. Hop to it.

If you do a good enough job putting together a very well-reasoned argument, i may even include it in my OP as a counterpoint argument.

I dont expect to see anymore posts from you in this thread for a while, because you should be busy writing your counterpoint.

I look forward to it.

[AdmiralsJack]

Rifneno wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

I was dissapointed but I laughed a bit at how the Salarian was all "CAREFUL!!" like he knew that thing was pissed off and was gonna tear them a new one if he got out.

Even better, I took Liara and Garrus.  Got this:

*yahg escapes*
Shepard:  Careful.  There goes the next Shadow Broker.
Garrus:  I could've sworn I heard him muttering "T'Soni..." the whole time.
Liara:  Not funny!

me too i laughed so hard :-D

[Rifneno]

IronSabbath88 wrote...

I think it needs to be said again.

No where on that sheet of paper (or papers) does it say flat out that this is the true, 100% no coming back ending of the game.

Also, I again raise my point to this theory being true.

James Vega would NOT abandon Earth. Even IF the Normandy came to pick him up, even if he knew Shepard was gone, there's no way he'd stop fighting. Not a chance in hell. Same goes for Ashley and Kaidan. Earth is their home too.

If anything, it was the exact opposite.  It compared the ending to a movie where the red option puts you back in reality and the blue one lets you dream whatever nonsense you wish.  How people look at that and see it as disproving the theory I'll never understand.

[Miss Vader]

Here watch this:

... think we need a laugh

[Ichinei]

byne wrote...

MissMaster_2 wrote...

Dap Brannigan wrote...

byne wrote...

jules_vern18 wrote...

Looks like this isn't going anywhere.  I'll ask again, what specifically would it take to convince you that Bioware did not in fact write a super-secret indoctrination ending?  I'm honestly curious...clearly I won't be able to convince you even if I did lay out a point-by-point deconstruction of your theory, so what would? 

Who said you cant convince me?

Go ahead, lay out a point-by-point deconstruction.

Maybe you'll convince me

Yes, deconstruct the OP's post point-by-point and I promise I'll read it.  Really.

Me too.

Well, there you go Jules. Hop to it.

If you do a good enough job putting together a very well-reasoned argument, i may even include it in my OP as a counterpoint argument.

I dont expect to see anymore posts from you in this thread for a while, because you should be busy writing your counterpoint.

I look forward to it.

Well said, im eager to see this also

[Rifneno]

Speaking of youtubes, is there a "Commander Shepard is such a jerk" for #3 yet? The first 2 were epic. Saw a few imitations on the 3rd but they weren't good. At all. Unless renegade Shepard just stopped being funny, which would suck. Wouldn't know, I play 90% paragon.

[lex0r11]

MissMaster_2 wrote...

Dap Brannigan wrote...

byne wrote...

jules_vern18 wrote...

Looks like this isn't going anywhere.  I'll ask again, what specifically would it take to convince you that Bioware did not in fact write a super-secret indoctrination ending?  I'm honestly curious...clearly I won't be able to convince you even if I did lay out a point-by-point deconstruction of your theory, so what would? 

Who said you cant convince me?

Go ahead, lay out a point-by-point deconstruction.

Maybe you'll convince me

Yes, deconstruct the OP's post point-by-point and I promise I'll read it.  Really.

Me too.

how dare someone trample on marauder shields sacrifice by interfering with this thread?

no, i'm just kidding, i want to see that counter argument too.

[Jere85]

Was away for a few hours, did i miss any hopeful tweets or something?
Still hopeful.

[CptData]

I wonder who's picking up whom.
Is this (male) Shepard's naked arm?

[lex0r11]

CptData wrote...


I wonder who's picking up whom.
Is this (male) Shepard's naked arm?

i gotta say, that red armor hast to be N7, so most likely the naked one is someone lese?

[Repossessor]

This quote from the ME3 Final Hours thing convines me tbh:

And even in November the gameplay team was still experimenting with an endgame sequence where players would suddenly lose control of Shepard's movement and fall under full reaper control. (This sequence was dropped because the gaemplay mechanic proved too troublesome to implement alongside dialogue choices).

"full reaper control" being the important part. This gameplay didn't make it, but it pretty much nails it as a fact that they were working on Shepard being indoctrinated through ME3 - just how it looks in the released game.

Modifié par Repossessor, 15 mars 2012 - 11:35 .

[Dap Brannigan]

It seems like anything is going to be announced, it's not going to be at least for another few weeks.

They're pretty clear that they're going to give people more time (Asia) to beat the games before they comment on anything. Though I wonder how tall the stacks of used ME3 copies will be at Gamestop by then?

[MissMaster_2]

still waiting for some one to debunk this...

Modifié par MissMaster_2, 15 mars 2012 - 11:36 .

[Descedent]

CptData wrote...


I wonder who's picking up whom.
Is this (male) Shepard's naked arm?

late to party, posted this within last 200 pages of this thread..

nice try though! :-p

[Valk72]

Dap Brannigan wrote...

It seems like anything is going to be announced, it's not going to be at least for another few weeks.

They're pretty clear that they're going to give people more time (Asia) to beat the games before they comment on anything. Though I wonder how tall the stacks of used ME3 copies will be at Gamestop by then?

Oh please,  i'm sure the japenese just need one or two day to finished the game XD

[Davies993]

Davies, entertaining though your indignation is, it was my intention to insult your intelligence.  The lead writer's end-game notes came out and you still can't let go of your disproven theory!

And YES, I compared you to Birthers and Truthers.  Is it an apt comparison in terms of scope or context? No.  In terms of rabid denial of any contradictory evidence, desperate clinging to theories even as they dissolve, and inability to acknowledge any circumstance in which you might be wrong?  YES.  A THOUSAND TIMES YES.

That's actually why I said don't insult it.

Where does it disprove it? Again and again you mindless drones say the same thing but fail EVERY single time to follow it up. Surely it's not that hard to provide it if the evidence is so abundant?

Does it refute it because it says they wanted it open to interpretation?
Who is to say that therefore they are not planning DLC in relation to the ending?

Does it refute it because he said it is LIKELY that there will be no end game DLC?
Indoc theory takes place during + likely does not = definitely.

You are basing your entire argument of incomplete data that was subject to change during production. NOTHING, in those notes that were shown disproves nor proves indoc theory. Back up your claims for crying out loud.
Come on, just one single credible answer.

Again, proving that you cannot provide any evidence. What does it contradict? Where has the OP said that it is the answer and you must believe? It's a theory. By definition it is not fact. I certainly have not asserted this. You are making a massive assumption and taking a gigantic leap of logic. Why don't you get back on your motorcycle of hyperbole, and come back when you are willing to talk rationally.

You actually remind me of a truther, cannot provide evidence for claims and asserts that they are right and we are simply blind.

Modifié par Davies993, 15 mars 2012 - 11:42 .

[MissMaster_2]

lex0r11 wrote...

CptData wrote...


I wonder who's picking up whom.
Is this (male) Shepard's naked arm?

i gotta say, that red armor hast to be N7, so most likely the naked one is someone lese?

i think both of them are shep...pulling him self out of indoctronation.

[CptData]

lex0r11 wrote...

CptData wrote...

*snip*

I wonder who's picking up whom.
Is this (male) Shepard's naked arm?

i gotta say, that red armor hast to be N7, so most likely the naked one is someone lese?

Not sure. The rubble in the background looks -EXACTLY- like the rubble you can see in Shepard's breathing scene. Plus: Shepard's left arm is naked too ...

EDIT: It's a right arm.

Modifié par CptData, 15 mars 2012 - 11:37 .

[Chyliss]

The only problem I see with this thread is people calling it a "theory". Shepard fighting off Indoctrination in the end-game is not a theory, it's a fact. Anyone who doesn't get that wasn't paying attention to any of the multitude of clues present from the VERY BEGINNING of the game starting with that kid.

I imagine what they are really stressing about at BioWare right now is that they put too much faith in the intelligence of their player base and rather than having to deal with the 10% who didn't get it, they are faced with the reality that 90% of the player base actually completely missed it. This wasn't the type of damage control they were preparing for and now they have to come up with a polite way to explain Shepard's Indoctrination without essentially labelling 90% of their player base as "stupid".

The comments in the just released documentary proves that. They scaled back so that it wouldn't be quite so obvious but I imagine they still figured that the majority of players would "get it". Yet here they are, faced with a bunch of whiny two-dimensional gamers who likely clicked through most of the conversation options, never bothered to read the Codex, didn't see a million clues that were PAINFULLY obvious if one were actually paying attention and they are left with an utter mess. My God, he even wrote down "Matrix" in his doodles!!! If anything, they probably figured that they'd be defending the indoctinating Shepard idea from those who would accuse them of copying the idea from other sources right now rather than being faced with the fact that they successfully indoctrinated the majority of the players!

I'm looking forward to their response. It should be entertaining as hell to see how they get around calling most of their fans intellectually stupid without actually insulting them.

[Hollowhisp]

CptData wrote...


I wonder who's picking up whom.
Is this (male) Shepard's naked arm?

Souce?

[crimsontotem]

Rubble scene... followed by a gasp for air.

that is a plain hard evidence...

Modifié par crimsontotem, 15 mars 2012 - 11:40 .