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[TheRaggyGandalf]

Hollowhisp wrote...

Souce?

Back of the N7 edition bonus stuff box

[Descedent]

Hollowhisp wrote...

CptData wrote...

*pic snipped*

I wonder who's picking up whom.
Is this (male) Shepard's naked arm?

Souce?

thats the artwork folder holding the ce artbook ...

[Ichinei]

may as well lighten the discussion with this comic (not mine), heck it made me chuckle
http://www.nerfnow.com/

[MJF JD]

Hollowhisp wrote...

CptData wrote...


I wonder who's picking up whom.
Is this (male) Shepard's naked arm?

Souce?

collectors edition extra stuff box art

[crimsontotem]

Chyliss wrote...

The only problem I see with this thread is people calling it a "theory". Shepard fighting off Indoctrination in the end-game is not a theory, it's a fact. Anyone who doesn't get that wasn't paying attention to any of the multitude of clues present from the VERY BEGINNING of the game starting with that kid.

I imagine what they are really stressing about at BioWare right now is that they put too much faith in the intelligence of their player base and rather than having to deal with the 10% who didn't get it, they are faced with the reality that 90% of the player base actually completely missed it. This wasn't the type of damage control they were preparing for and now they have to come up with a polite way to explain Shepard's Indoctrination without essentially labelling 90% of their player base as "stupid".

The comments in the just released documentary proves that. They scaled back so that it wouldn't be quite so obvious but I imagine they still figured that the majority of players would "get it". Yet here they are, faced with a bunch of whiny two-dimensional gamers who likely clicked through most of the conversation options, never bothered to read the Codex, didn't see a million clues that were PAINFULLY obvious if one were actually paying attention and they are left with an utter mess. My God, he even wrote down "Matrix" in his doodles!!! If anything, they probably figured that they'd be defending the indoctinating Shepard idea from those who would accuse them of copying the idea from other sources right now rather than being faced with the fact that they successfully indoctrinated the majority of the players!

I'm looking forward to their response. It should be entertaining as hell to see how they get around calling most of their fans intellectually stupid without actually insulting them.

not to mention all those whispers in his dream... not from the deceased characers... those constant whispers thoroughout the whole sequence prove that indoc is a fact. Also what do people make of Vega's statement of hum?

[byne]

Chyliss wrote...

The only problem I see with this thread is people calling it a "theory". Shepard fighting off Indoctrination in the end-game is not a theory, it's a fact. Anyone who doesn't get that wasn't paying attention to any of the multitude of clues present from the VERY BEGINNING of the game starting with that kid.

Its just a theory, no matter how much evidence we have that we believe supports it.

Hell, even gravity is still just a theory.

[Nauks]

Many thanks for accumulating this info on the theories, a great read and great hope for the future of this game.

[Dap Brannigan]

Chyliss wrote...

The only problem I see with this thread is people calling it a "theory". Shepard fighting off Indoctrination in the end-game is not a theory, it's a fact. Anyone who doesn't get that wasn't paying attention to any of the multitude of clues present from the VERY BEGINNING of the game starting with that kid.

I imagine what they are really stressing about at BioWare right now is that they put too much faith in the intelligence of their player base and rather than having to deal with the 10% who didn't get it, they are faced with the reality that 90% of the player base actually completely missed it. This wasn't the type of damage control they were preparing for and now they have to come up with a polite way to explain Shepard's Indoctrination without essentially labelling 90% of their player base as "stupid".

The comments in the just released documentary proves that. They scaled back so that it wouldn't be quite so obvious but I imagine they still figured that the majority of players would "get it". Yet here they are, faced with a bunch of whiny two-dimensional gamers who likely clicked through most of the conversation options, never bothered to read the Codex, didn't see a million clues that were PAINFULLY obvious if one were actually paying attention and they are left with an utter mess. My God, he even wrote down "Matrix" in his doodles!!! If anything, they probably figured that they'd be defending the indoctinating Shepard idea from those who would accuse them of copying the idea from other sources right now rather than being faced with the fact that they successfully indoctrinated the majority of the players!

I'm looking forward to their response. It should be entertaining as hell to see how they get around calling most of their fans intellectually stupid without actually insulting them.

lol +1000

[CptData]

ageofadrian wrote...

Im sorry, but the fact that every body in the citadel as you walk towards the final TIM anderson confrontation is the body of Ashley and Kaiden with their armors on. That cant possibly be 'lazy' texturing because they would have to go out of their way to make that!

The scene isn't real and that is definitive proof for me!

Funny part: no one wears neither Kaidan's nor Ashley's armor in the field.

So guess that part symbolizes the death of the two squadmates who were with Shepard from the beginning. And technically, only one lasted till ME3.

Also interesting: check out ME2 again, Collector Cruiser: there are also Phoenix-Armor corpses, although the only one wearing that armor is Ashley. It's never shown again in the game, just with Ash. Evidence? Or laziness?

[Repossessor]

ME3 Final Hours pretty much proves they were going for indoctrination as late as November 2011. It's a fact now:

And even in November the gameplay team was still experimenting with an endgame sequence where players would suddenly lose control of Shepard's movement and fall under full reaper control. (This sequence was dropped because the gameplay mechanic proved too troublesome to implement alongside dialogue choices).

"full reaper control" being the important part. This gameplay didn't make it, but it pretty much nails it as a fact that they were working on Shepard being indoctrinated through ME3 - just how it looks in the released game.

[Hollowhisp]

Thanks for the source, interesting image but most likely just art for the sake of art imo, game artists often do such things.

[MissMaster_2]

crimsontotem wrote...

Rubble scene... followed by a gasp for air.

that is a plain hard evidence...

Yep.

[Lost Cipher]

crimsontotem wrote...

Chyliss wrote...

The only problem I see with this thread is people calling it a "theory". Shepard fighting off Indoctrination in the end-game is not a theory, it's a fact. Anyone who doesn't get that wasn't paying attention to any of the multitude of clues present from the VERY BEGINNING of the game starting with that kid.

I imagine what they are really stressing about at BioWare right now is that they put too much faith in the intelligence of their player base and rather than having to deal with the 10% who didn't get it, they are faced with the reality that 90% of the player base actually completely missed it. This wasn't the type of damage control they were preparing for and now they have to come up with a polite way to explain Shepard's Indoctrination without essentially labelling 90% of their player base as "stupid".

The comments in the just released documentary proves that. They scaled back so that it wouldn't be quite so obvious but I imagine they still figured that the majority of players would "get it". Yet here they are, faced with a bunch of whiny two-dimensional gamers who likely clicked through most of the conversation options, never bothered to read the Codex, didn't see a million clues that were PAINFULLY obvious if one were actually paying attention and they are left with an utter mess. My God, he even wrote down "Matrix" in his doodles!!! If anything, they probably figured that they'd be defending the indoctinating Shepard idea from those who would accuse them of copying the idea from other sources right now rather than being faced with the fact that they successfully indoctrinated the majority of the players!

I'm looking forward to their response. It should be entertaining as hell to see how they get around calling most of their fans intellectually stupid without actually insulting them.

not to mention all those whispers in his dream... not from the deceased characers... those constant whispers thoroughout the whole sequence prove that indoc is a fact. Also what do people make of Vega's statement of hum?

I have said this before. The Dream sequence is PTSD.

[lex0r11]

Chyliss wrote...

The only problem I see with this thread is people calling it a "theory". Shepard fighting off Indoctrination in the end-game is not a theory, it's a fact. Anyone who doesn't get that wasn't paying attention to any of the multitude of clues present from the VERY BEGINNING of the game starting with that kid.

I imagine what they are really stressing about at BioWare right now is that they put too much faith in the intelligence of their player base and rather than having to deal with the 10% who didn't get it, they are faced with the reality that 90% of the player base actually completely missed it. This wasn't the type of damage control they were preparing for and now they have to come up with a polite way to explain Shepard's Indoctrination without essentially labelling 90% of their player base as "stupid".

The comments in the just released documentary proves that. They scaled back so that it wouldn't be quite so obvious but I imagine they still figured that the majority of players would "get it". Yet here they are, faced with a bunch of whiny two-dimensional gamers who likely clicked through most of the conversation options, never bothered to read the Codex, didn't see a million clues that were PAINFULLY obvious if one were actually paying attention and they are left with an utter mess. My God, he even wrote down "Matrix" in his doodles!!! If anything, they probably figured that they'd be defending the indoctinating Shepard idea from those who would accuse them of copying the idea from other sources right now rather than being faced with the fact that they successfully indoctrinated the majority of the players!

I'm looking forward to their response. It should be entertaining as hell to see how they get around calling most of their fans intellectually stupid without actually insulting them.

wait, we stupi..?

http://desmond.image....gif&res=medium

Modifié par lex0r11, 15 mars 2012 - 11:48 .

[Hunter_Wolf]

MissMaster_2 wrote...

still waiting for some one to debunk this...

Absence of evidence....


I enjoy theorycrafting myself but that's like asking for someone to prove Planet X doesn't exist. Terrible logic. I'm in the group of "maybe you, Bioware, should pick up on the DLC and fix this while the opportunity is still there."


Granted, I'm not asking  for a Week 2 patch but if I'm told the ending will be worked on to address the complaints and it's given more work so it's not some sleezy cop'out like The Arrival was, I'd be all for it.

[Tygur]

CptData wrote...


I wonder who's picking up whom.
Is this (male) Shepard's naked arm?

To me it always looked like Shep's bare arm and Ashley's original armor. Either way I think the pic is irrelevant and just there to stir excitement.

[lex0r11]

*doublepost*

Modifié par lex0r11, 15 mars 2012 - 11:48 .

[Valk72]

The huge problem EA and BW has, is that they have no choice. Because if they just say "Deal with i" or that no DLC ending will be released, the BSN will just explode in anger and will be absolutely uncontrollable.

[El-Kelebrin]

Check this out:
http://social.biowar...1863/1#10022656

[CptData]

Tygur wrote...

CptData wrote...


I wonder who's picking up whom.
Is this (male) Shepard's naked arm?

To me it always looked like Shep's bare arm and Ashley's original armor. Either way I think the pic is irrelevant and just there to stir excitement.

Ashley has no red armor.

I like the "Shepard pulls Shepard out of the mess" theory. It highly supports the dream part.

[Dap Brannigan]

El-Kelebrin wrote...

Check this out:
http://social.biowar...1863/1#10022656

Put down the bong, bro.

[jules_vern18]

byne wrote...

MissMaster_2 wrote...

Dap Brannigan wrote...

byne wrote...

jules_vern18 wrote...

Looks like this isn't going anywhere.  I'll ask again, what specifically would it take to convince you that Bioware did not in fact write a super-secret indoctrination ending?  I'm honestly curious...clearly I won't be able to convince you even if I did lay out a point-by-point deconstruction of your theory, so what would? 

Who said you cant convince me?

Go ahead, lay out a point-by-point deconstruction.

Maybe you'll convince me

Yes, deconstruct the OP's post point-by-point and I promise I'll read it.  Really.

Me too.

Well, there you go Jules. Hop to it.

If you do a good enough job putting together a very well-reasoned argument, i may even include it in my OP as a counterpoint argument.

I dont expect to see anymore posts from you in this thread for a while, because you should be busy writing your counterpoint.

I look forward to it.

Nice try, but if the lead writer's notes about the ending not including ANYTHING in support of  your theory can't convince you, me wasting hours of my time sure as hell isn't going to.

As I said earlier, there was nothing wrong with your theory before this information came out.  I read the OP, felt that it was a possible (but implausible from a business standpoint) interpretation of the ending, and didn't post any opposition to it whatsoever.  Now that you have the dev team's pre-release notes and still won't believe it, there's nothing that *I* can do for you.

Now, let's pay really close attention here, because I can already anticipate the "see, he won't write a dissertation on this topic!  he's just a blind troll!" posts. I never offered to deconstruct your theory point by point and will say *again* that I did not see anything wrong with your theory until this information came out blatantly destroying it.  I used the deconstruction of your entire theory point-by-point as a hypothetical scenario in an attempt to illustrate that nothing I could do would convince you, not as a claim that I saw any reason in doing so.  Here's why:

The only, I repeat ONLY ammunition that I have (or need) refuting your theory is the "Final Hours" documentary showing the developer's notes on the ending.  Addressing the points of your theory is irrelevant, as the entire theory being part of Biowar's behind-the-scenes plans has been refuted by the release of Bioware's actual behind-the-scenes plans. 

But I'm sure it'll be easier for you to just use the fact that I see no need to write a wall of text deconstructing an argument that has already been proven false as proof that I'm just blindly attacking you.  Please do.

Meanwhile, I'll be spreading the word about the charity, posting on mass effect's various twitter feeds, and playing my part in vocal opposition to this game's 3 (yes, only 3) horrible endings.  I hope you join me.

[Noviere]

The child being seen only by Shepard in the very beginning was something that stood out to me when playing the demo the first time... The calmness of his dialogue("You can't help me."), and the fact that no one near the shuttles seems to notice him either... It made me question if Shepard was seeing things.

Anyway, I hope the theory is correct. The ending just seemed out of place to me, and odd.

[T_l_M_B_0]

Ok I've been following this theory since it was only at like page 10. I was keeping quiet here, but I was spreading the word to other sites that I frequent, and I guess its time to finally throw my hat in the ring.

I support this theory 100% and no amount of people telling me to "face reality" will change that. You are not from Bioware. You do not know what they are planning or aren't planning. You assuming that the current "ending" is canon is exactly the same as us assuming that it is not canon.

Until Bioware finally addresses the issue and says "Yes, its indoctrination.", or "No, the current ending stands.", then not a single person in this thread knows what is fact and what is not. And no amount of trolls up in here trying to tell us we're stupid for believing in this theory will change that.

I will say this though, if Bioware ever confirms the current "ending" as canon, then my love for this series will effectively be destroyed. Until then, much like Shepard, I will hold on to my hope. I advise you all to do the same. Hold the line!