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[Dap Brannigan]

Sparatus wrote...

MissMaster_2 wrote...You should go read the OP.

Read the OP I did
Disagree with the theory I do
Mac Walters is crazy

You are terrible at haikus.

[Mallissin]

MissMaster_2 wrote...

snackynak wrote...

ageofadrian wrote...

Im sorry, but the fact that every body in the citadel as you walk towards the final TIM anderson confrontation is the body of Ashley and Kaiden with their armors on. That cant possibly be 'lazy' texturing because they would have to go out of their way to make that!

The scene isn't real and that is definitive proof for me!

No it's not kaiden or ashley's bodies. They're just generic corpses, probably even resued corpse models and textures from the pile of bodies in ME2 collector base. Just like the "shack" models in the benning mission are the same as the ones from the horizon mission in ME2, and the microscopes, and a lot of other misc things that have been carried over between games.

Uh. I never saw Ash's armor in ME2.

After EDI hacks the defense turrets to fire at the Collector ship.

[Action Bawstard]

Descedent wrote...

COMRADES WE WILL HOLD THE LINE!

[MissMaster_2]

Sparatus wrote...

MissMaster_2 wrote...You should go read the OP.

Read the OP I did
Disagree with the theory I do
Mac Walters is crazy

Well. We are still holding the line.

Modifié par MissMaster_2, 16 mars 2012 - 12:04 .

[byne]

Action Bawstard wrote...

Descedent wrote...

COMRADES WE WILL HOLD THE LINE!

Sheploo in his pretty pink and white armor there always makes me giggle

[krystalevenstar]

snackynak wrote...

ageofadrian wrote...

Im sorry, but the fact that every body in the citadel as you walk towards the final TIM anderson confrontation is the body of Ashley and Kaiden with their armors on. That cant possibly be 'lazy' texturing because they would have to go out of their way to make that!

The scene isn't real and that is definitive proof for me!

No it's not kaiden or ashley's bodies. They're just generic corpses, probably even resued corpse models and textures from the pile of bodies in ME2 collector base. Just like the "shack" models in the benning mission are the same as the ones from the horizon mission in ME2, and the microscopes, and a lot of other misc things that have been carried over between games.

No, they're definitely Ashley and Kaiden's bodies. Someone extracted the models and it was plain as day. It's a Female (very evident breasts) doll-construct in Ashley's pink Pheonix armor and a Male in the armor Kaiden had from ME1. It's the same 2 bodies repeated in a giant mass and all over in the beginning of the citadel. I'm looking for the links to the pics now.

Modifié par krystalevenstar, 16 mars 2012 - 12:06 .

[MissMaster_2]

Mallissin wrote...

MissMaster_2 wrote...

snackynak wrote...

ageofadrian wrote...

Im sorry, but the fact that every body in the citadel as you walk towards the final TIM anderson confrontation is the body of Ashley and Kaiden with their armors on. That cant possibly be 'lazy' texturing because they would have to go out of their way to make that!

The scene isn't real and that is definitive proof for me!

No it's not kaiden or ashley's bodies. They're just generic corpses, probably even resued corpse models and textures from the pile of bodies in ME2 collector base. Just like the "shack" models in the benning mission are the same as the ones from the horizon mission in ME2, and the microscopes, and a lot of other misc things that have been carried over between games.

Uh. I never saw Ash's armor in ME2.

After EDI hacks the defense turrets to fire at the Collector ship.

Well dur its on her. Derp they just reused the same ME1 Ash. I ment not in the collecter ship.

Any one have a cap of ash's armor on the bodies in me2.

Also why the heck to the bodies on the citidel have no hair? It is still dream like to me.

still holding the line

Modifié par MissMaster_2, 16 mars 2012 - 12:06 .

[njfluffy19]

Sparatus wrote...

Dap Brannigan wrote...

You are terrible at haikus.

Sparatus is terrible at haikus
This she knows
Should probably take writing class

Terrible at trolling, too.

[VonJedi1]

jules_vern18 wrote...

Davies993 wrote...

Davies, entertaining though your indignation is, it was my intention to insult your intelligence.  The lead writer's end-game notes came out and you still can't let go of your disproven theory!

And YES, I compared you to Birthers and Truthers.  Is it an apt comparison in terms of scope or context? No.  In terms of rabid denial of any contradictory evidence, desperate clinging to theories even as they dissolve, and inability to acknowledge any circumstance in which you might be wrong?  YES.  A THOUSAND TIMES YES.

That's actually why I said don't insult it.

Where does it disprove it? Again and again you mindless drones say the same thing but fail EVERY single time to follow it up. Surely it's not that hard to provide it if the evidence is so abundant?

Does it refute it because it says they wanted it open to interpretation?
Who is to say that therefore they are not planning DLC in relation to the ending?

Does it refute it because he said it is LIKELY that there will be no end game DLC?
Indoc theory takes place during + likely does not = definitely.

You are basing your entire argument of incomplete data that was subject to change during production. NOTHING, in those notes that were shown disproves nor proves indoc theory. Back up your claims for crying out loud.
Come on, just one single credible answer.

Again, proving that you cannot provide any evidence. What does it contradict? Where has the OP said that it is the answer and you must believe? It's a theory. By definition it is not fact. I certainly have not asserted this. You are making a massive assumption and taking a gigantic leap of logic. Why don't you get back on your motorcycle of hyperbole, and come back when you are willing to talk rationally.

You actually remind me of a truther, cannot provide evidence for claims and asserts that they are right and we are simply blind.

If Indoctrination was part fo the ending, why was it not mentioned in any of the notes?  The word Indoctrination, I mean? 

Everything else was mentioned, including the current endings listed as A, B, and C.  Even more to the point, creating an indoctrination ending that could only be picked up by attention to the details listed in the OP would have required some planning.  If Bioware had planned this in any way, there would have been some mention of it in the ending notes. 

If you were planning something this ambitious, would you leave it laying around for the doco writer to read?

I know I wouldn't. They already had one leak, they wouldn't want another. This seems more a "top secret" affair. If bioware planned this (which with the amount of clues presented they most likely did), I think they would have planned to keep it from the public eye, which includes showing those notes on the ending to the doco writer.

Whilst I'm not saying this is EXACTLY what happened, it's a possibility and means using that as your base evidence as to why this theory is wrong is weak at best.

[snackynak]

MissMaster_2 wrote...

snackynak wrote...

ageofadrian wrote...

Im sorry, but the fact that every body in the citadel as you walk towards the final TIM anderson confrontation is the body of Ashley and Kaiden with their armors on. That cant possibly be 'lazy' texturing because they would have to go out of their way to make that!

The scene isn't real and that is definitive proof for me!

No it's not kaiden or ashley's bodies. They're just generic corpses, probably even resued corpse models and textures from the pile of bodies in ME2 collector base. Just like the "shack" models in the benning mission are the same as the ones from the horizon mission in ME2, and the microscopes, and a lot of other misc things that have been carried over between games.

Uh. I never saw Ash's armor in ME2.

I beleive kaidan and ash both wear the same armor in ME2(pink pheonix armor). At the very begining, and during the horizon mission. But neither of them wear that armor in ME3.

[Repossessor]

jules_vern18 wrote...

Davies993 wrote...

Davies, entertaining though your indignation is, it was my intention to insult your intelligence.  The lead writer's end-game notes came out and you still can't let go of your disproven theory!

And YES, I compared you to Birthers and Truthers.  Is it an apt comparison in terms of scope or context? No.  In terms of rabid denial of any contradictory evidence, desperate clinging to theories even as they dissolve, and inability to acknowledge any circumstance in which you might be wrong?  YES.  A THOUSAND TIMES YES.

That's actually why I said don't insult it.

Where does it disprove it? Again and again you mindless drones say the same thing but fail EVERY single time to follow it up. Surely it's not that hard to provide it if the evidence is so abundant?

Does it refute it because it says they wanted it open to interpretation?
Who is to say that therefore they are not planning DLC in relation to the ending?

Does it refute it because he said it is LIKELY that there will be no end game DLC?
Indoc theory takes place during + likely does not = definitely.

You are basing your entire argument of incomplete data that was subject to change during production. NOTHING, in those notes that were shown disproves nor proves indoc theory. Back up your claims for crying out loud.
Come on, just one single credible answer.

Again, proving that you cannot provide any evidence. What does it contradict? Where has the OP said that it is the answer and you must believe? It's a theory. By definition it is not fact. I certainly have not asserted this. You are making a massive assumption and taking a gigantic leap of logic. Why don't you get back on your motorcycle of hyperbole, and come back when you are willing to talk rationally.

You actually remind me of a truther, cannot provide evidence for claims and asserts that they are right and we are simply blind.

If Indoctrination was part fo the ending, why was it not mentioned in any of the notes?  The word Indoctrination, I mean? 

Everything else was mentioned, including the current endings listed as A, B, and C.  Even more to the point, creating an indoctrination ending that could only be picked up by attention to the details listed in the OP would have required some planning.  If Bioware had planned this in any way, there would have been some mention of it in the ending notes. 

How about this from the ME3 FInal Hours thing: 

in November the gameplay team was still experimenting with an endgame sequence where players would suddenly lose control of Shepard's movement and fall under full reaper control. (This sequence was dropped because the gaemplay mechanic proved too troublesome to implement alongside dialogue choices).

I think that in it's own proves they were working on Shepard being indoctrinated as late as November 2011.  I think it's unfair of anyone to still claim now that Bioware haven't (or hadn't, at least) planned this.

[Golferguy758]

What's the point?

[MissMaster_2]

krystalevenstar wrote...

snackynak wrote...

ageofadrian wrote...

Im sorry, but the fact that every body in the citadel as you walk towards the final TIM anderson confrontation is the body of Ashley and Kaiden with their armors on. That cant possibly be 'lazy' texturing because they would have to go out of their way to make that!

The scene isn't real and that is definitive proof for me!

No it's not kaiden or ashley's bodies. They're just generic corpses, probably even resued corpse models and textures from the pile of bodies in ME2 collector base. Just like the "shack" models in the benning mission are the same as the ones from the horizon mission in ME2, and the microscopes, and a lot of other misc things that have been carried over between games.

No, they're definitely Ashley and Kaiden's bodies. Someone extracted the models and it was plain as day. It's a Female (very evident breasts) doll-construct in Ashley's pink Pheonix armor and a Male in the armor Kaiden had from ME1. It's the same 2 bodies repeated in a giant mass and all over in the beginning of the citadel. I'm looking for the links to the pics now.

Yeah and why are they all bald?

[lodgik]

ninjaNumber1 wrote...

Doctor Moustache wrote...

Why do people not actually examine the damn ending and look for the clues presented before telling everyone its a stupid idea?

This isn't just "omg i don't wanna believe it, i wont!" this theory is based on actual evidence within the game that's hidden right under your damn nose. People in this thread simply took the time to examine it rather then take everything at face value.

Come on, either the theory is true or all the ending's confusing little **** ups all align completely on accident to form a very coherent picture. Whats REALLY less likely?

Its because the only thing you are presenting as evidence are things that don't add up. Then you are using that to imply that its indoctrination. You are bypassing the simplest implication of things 'not adding up' = Bioware just epic failed on their ending.

Instead you guys come up with indoctrination ideas which can be said to correct any plot mistake in ANY GAME. The reason why writers avoid such 'cheap' plot devices is because it leads to bad narratives. It makes people doubt everything.

Just think about the following for a moment

Hypothetically assume Bioware gives you a DLC ending that says Shephard was indoctrinated. You wake up from it and end up destroying the reapers for 'real'.....

BUT was THAT real? Or do you just accept it because now it fits with what you thought seems like the ending? Maybe you were indoctrinated to believe that you snapped out of indoctrination? 

So what you people have to realize is that IF Bioware indeed meant the ending as an indoctrination, no future DLC ending is going to help resolve the ending. Why? Because for all you know, that DLC too is an indoctrinated hallucination which made you believe you woke up from the indoctrination.

In short, the indoctrination theory can't do anything to redeem what happened in the ending.

Now I am not trolling, I am just suggesting people realize what they are actually thinking as a ''great'' idea here.

What you should be asking for is a FIXED ending. Not DLC that follows an indoctrination theory because that **** gets you nowhere. Every piece of DLC ending you get could just be indoctrination...

are you sujesting that there will be ...........

an indoctrination within an indoctrination within an indoctrination ? tu tu tu tu tu tu TA-DUN !!!!!

[DemonicAngelX7]

I too believe the Indoctrination Theory simply because after all 3 endings, the surroundings and events dont add up.

We all know by now, the Destroy Synthetic life has Shepard live and thus completes the Trilogy's entire goal to end the Reapers. That Synthesis ending leads to Husks naturally and controlling the Reapers leads to complete Indoctrination...and then turning into a Husk. Grats, 2/3 endings, ur a Husk regardless.

But how exactly does the endings fit in. Did destroying the reapers ACTUALLY WORK? Did the Mass Relays really explode leaving hundreds of aliens stranded in the Sol System? No to all of this. So here's how it goes down.

1. Shepard lives and is somehow in the ruins of London while being on the Crucible. How the f&#* does that happen? Does nobody remember how Shepard dies in ME2? Yea, he got blown away in space, re-entered the atmosphere and promptly burned up upon re-entry. Awesome.

2. The Beam from the Synthesis ending. We have NO IDEA what the beam does. We have no inclination whether it teleports him to Earth in some rubble and if so, there's no cinematic like the Destroy ending that Shepard is breathing again. For all we know, it could've vaporized him.

3. Controlling the Reapers is a lie. We know that the Catalyst said Shepard is the first organic to arrive there, but we know by the Indoctrination theory that the Catalyst is a lying b@#******. TIM gives no clue as to what object "helped" him control the Reapers so we are left to assume that TIM is the first and tried to control the Reapers *note the fact that TIM is aware of the Catalyst itself* thus leading to the slow progression of him turning into a Husk.

4. The emitted wave of all 3 endings. If you've read this far, then you must have a hint that the ENTIRE process is a fake. The Normandy somehow, passes through the Reapers both on air and ground, to pick up your selected team for the suicide run, makes to the Mass Relay and somehow crash land on a unknown planet. And as your team steps out, they have no visual indication they sustained injuries. Fake.

5. The ruins itself. Through some analysis, it appears its in somewhere in London, the ground itself doesnt look like the suicide run and there is a shelf in the background as you see Shepard breathe again. Reason to assume that Shepard was hit by the laser either prior launching the missiles or after. But my other theory is that the reaper laser tore up the Earth causing a cave-in as Shepard fall through thus explaining the lack of lighting.

Just my thoughts

[Rifneno]

Repossessor wrote...

I think that in it's own proves they were working on Shepard being indoctrinated as late as November 2011.  I think it's unfair of anyone to still claim now that Bioware haven't (or hadn't, at least) planned this.

Yep.  But damned if they won't do it anyway.

[Hollowhisp]

[/quote]

How about this from the ME3 FInal Hours thing: 

[quote]in November the gameplay team was still experimenting with an endgame sequence where players would suddenly lose control of Shepard's movement and fall under full reaper control. (This sequence was dropped because the gaemplay mechanic proved too troublesome to implement alongside dialogue choices).[/quote]

I think that in it's own proves they were working on Shepard being indoctrinated as late as November 2011.  I think it's unfair of anyone to still claim now that Bioware haven't (or hadn't, at least) planned this.

[/quote]

Indeed, that late they could not possibly go back and remove all the foreshadowing and set up to an indoctrination even if they changed the ending. Thus explaining why indoc theory works so well.

[MissMaster_2]

Also the dream trees! DREAM TREES!

[njfluffy19]

snackynak wrote...

MissMaster_2 wrote...

snackynak wrote...

ageofadrian wrote...

Im sorry, but the fact that every body in the citadel as you walk towards the final TIM anderson confrontation is the body of Ashley and Kaiden with their armors on. That cant possibly be 'lazy' texturing because they would have to go out of their way to make that!

The scene isn't real and that is definitive proof for me!

No it's not kaiden or ashley's bodies. They're just generic corpses, probably even resued corpse models and textures from the pile of bodies in ME2 collector base. Just like the "shack" models in the benning mission are the same as the ones from the horizon mission in ME2, and the microscopes, and a lot of other misc things that have been carried over between games.

Uh. I never saw Ash's armor in ME2.

I beleive kaidan and ash both wear the same armor in ME2(pink pheonix armor). At the very begining, and during the horizon mission. But neither of them wear that armor in ME3.

Kaidan doesn't wear pheonix on Horizon.
https://encrypted-tb...2aXXPcMQXLPFtnk

[Mallissin]

blueboxblues wrote...

Miss Vader wrote...

Here watch this:

... think we need a laugh

bahahaha

This guy is awesome.

[Golferguy758]

it's great to believe in the theory, but why bother? They have all but confirmed the endings were intended to be that way.

I wish, oh God do i wish it were not so, but all signs point to "game over man. game over."

[ninjaNumber1]

lodgik wrote...

ninjaNumber1 wrote...

Doctor Moustache wrote...

Why do people not actually examine the damn ending and look for the clues presented before telling everyone its a stupid idea?

This isn't just "omg i don't wanna believe it, i wont!" this theory is based on actual evidence within the game that's hidden right under your damn nose. People in this thread simply took the time to examine it rather then take everything at face value.

Come on, either the theory is true or all the ending's confusing little **** ups all align completely on accident to form a very coherent picture. Whats REALLY less likely?

Its because the only thing you are presenting as evidence are things that don't add up. Then you are using that to imply that its indoctrination. You are bypassing the simplest implication of things 'not adding up' = Bioware just epic failed on their ending.

Instead you guys come up with indoctrination ideas which can be said to correct any plot mistake in ANY GAME. The reason why writers avoid such 'cheap' plot devices is because it leads to bad narratives. It makes people doubt everything.

Just think about the following for a moment

Hypothetically assume Bioware gives you a DLC ending that says Shephard was indoctrinated. You wake up from it and end up destroying the reapers for 'real'.....

BUT was THAT real? Or do you just accept it because now it fits with what you thought seems like the ending? Maybe you were indoctrinated to believe that you snapped out of indoctrination? 

So what you people have to realize is that IF Bioware indeed meant the ending as an indoctrination, no future DLC ending is going to help resolve the ending. Why? Because for all you know, that DLC too is an indoctrinated hallucination which made you believe you woke up from the indoctrination.

In short, the indoctrination theory can't do anything to redeem what happened in the ending.

Now I am not trolling, I am just suggesting people realize what they are actually thinking as a ''great'' idea here.

What you should be asking for is a FIXED ending. Not DLC that follows an indoctrination theory because that **** gets you nowhere. Every piece of DLC ending you get could just be indoctrination...

are you sujesting that there will be ...........

an indoctrination within an indoctrination within an indoctrination ? tu tu tu tu tu tu TA-DUN !!!!!

I am just saying that there is no way to know anymore. Once you down the indoctrination route, there aint no coming back. No DLC is going to fix it.

You might as well wait for a Train... a train that will take you far away. You know where you hope this train will take you, but you don't know for sure. But it doesn't matter...... lol

Modifié par ninjaNumber1, 16 mars 2012 - 12:11 .