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[MissMaster_2]

Guys! Do we have a pic of ash's armor on the bodies in the collector base?

[Tygur]

jules_vern18 wrote...

Davies993 wrote...

Davies, entertaining though your indignation is, it was my intention to insult your intelligence.  The lead writer's end-game notes came out and you still can't let go of your disproven theory!

And YES, I compared you to Birthers and Truthers.  Is it an apt comparison in terms of scope or context? No.  In terms of rabid denial of any contradictory evidence, desperate clinging to theories even as they dissolve, and inability to acknowledge any circumstance in which you might be wrong?  YES.  A THOUSAND TIMES YES.

That's actually why I said don't insult it.

Where does it disprove it? Again and again you mindless drones say the same thing but fail EVERY single time to follow it up. Surely it's not that hard to provide it if the evidence is so abundant?

Does it refute it because it says they wanted it open to interpretation?
Who is to say that therefore they are not planning DLC in relation to the ending?

Does it refute it because he said it is LIKELY that there will be no end game DLC?
Indoc theory takes place during + likely does not = definitely.

You are basing your entire argument of incomplete data that was subject to change during production. NOTHING, in those notes that were shown disproves nor proves indoc theory. Back up your claims for crying out loud.
Come on, just one single credible answer.

Again, proving that you cannot provide any evidence. What does it contradict? Where has the OP said that it is the answer and you must believe? It's a theory. By definition it is not fact. I certainly have not asserted this. You are making a massive assumption and taking a gigantic leap of logic. Why don't you get back on your motorcycle of hyperbole, and come back when you are willing to talk rationally.

You actually remind me of a truther, cannot provide evidence for claims and asserts that they are right and we are simply blind.

If Indoctrination was part fo the ending, why was it not mentioned in any of the notes?  The word Indoctrination, I mean? 

Everything else was mentioned, including the current endings listed as A, B, and C.  Even more to the point, creating an indoctrination ending that could only be picked up by attention to the details listed in the OP would have required some planning.  If Bioware had planned this in any way, there would have been some mention of it in the ending notes. 

Possible. Also possible it actually was in the notes and those notes were omitted on purpose through a liscense agreement.

[jules_vern18]

Dap Brannigan wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Books/comics establish that TIM got his eyes from contact with a Reaper artifact that put him in early indoctrination at the same time.

Shepard gets the same eyes as TIM when he picks control of synthesis. Not "they look weird," the same eyes.

It's not ambiguous. This is indoctrination. Deal with it.

What's funny is that in ME2, being a renegade shows the same pattern in red.  From what is assumed to be your Cerberus implants.

If you're a moderate renegade, you can see the triad of three dots, one on top, two at the bottom.  Once you go hardcore renegade your iris turns red, but I think those three dots stay.

Also it's been pointed out that EDI/Eva Core body also has some same pattern in her eyes.

This.  Eyes are clearly part of Shep's synthetic implants, as revealed during the control and synthesis dissolving-shep sequences.  As for Shep breathing at the end?  If looked at the clip over and over and there is no evidence that he's on Earth.  It apparently appears only during the destroy ending (the only ending that does not consume him), where the citadel is **partially** destroyed.  Clip could just as easily be Shep in the rubble of Citadel.  Please stop grasping at straws.

Another explaination for the ending is that it was just a poorly concieved gamble on the part of Bioware.  I was neutral toward this before the release of their written ending plans, but now the answer is clear.

But keep on believing.  I will definitely be back to post again when Bioware releases further statements about the ending and (hopefully) dlc making this theory null and void.  I mean, not that any of that would sway you...

[Zix13]

lex0r11 wrote...

Zix13 wrote...

Been watching this thread for a while, finally got around to getting the forum to let me post.
Anyways, yes, ending was garbage. Yes, indoctrination theory makes total sense. I haven't seen one compelling argument to the contrary. However, that is provided ea wasn't concerned about money. I don't see any possible reason for bioware/ea to ship an endingless game. Makes no business sense. Though... I also don't see how anyone could decide that ending worked.

i say it will be their way of being the first guys to slap a leak in the face and go: "look how bold we are with our inovation!"

Possible but unlikely. Including it at release would have the same effect on the player, but not the backlash from the community.

[Miss Vader]

Mallissin wrote...

blueboxblues wrote...

Miss Vader wrote...

Here watch this:

... think we need a laugh

bahahaha

This guy is awesome.

You have probably seen this one as well then   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdiThWSPvsg&feature=related

[GovernorTarkin]

Any new revelations in the past 12hrs?

[lex0r11]

Mallissin wrote...

blueboxblues wrote...

Miss Vader wrote...

Here watch this:

... think we need a laugh

bahahaha

This guy is awesome.

bless him.

[PlumPaul93]

Golferguy758 wrote...

it's great to believe in the theory, but why bother? They have all but confirmed the endings were intended to be that way.

I wish, oh God do i wish it were not so, but all signs point to "game over man. game over."

It's not like there's no hope, just ask for a better ending DLC. Stop wasting time on something that's not there and fight for better endings.

[MissMaster_2]

jules_vern18 wrote...

Dap Brannigan wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Books/comics establish that TIM got his eyes from contact with a Reaper artifact that put him in early indoctrination at the same time.

Shepard gets the same eyes as TIM when he picks control of synthesis. Not "they look weird," the same eyes.

It's not ambiguous. This is indoctrination. Deal with it.

What's funny is that in ME2, being a renegade shows the same pattern in red.  From what is assumed to be your Cerberus implants.

If you're a moderate renegade, you can see the triad of three dots, one on top, two at the bottom.  Once you go hardcore renegade your iris turns red, but I think those three dots stay.

Also it's been pointed out that EDI/Eva Core body also has some same pattern in her eyes.

This.  Eyes are clearly part of Shep's synthetic implants, as revealed during the control and synthesis dissolving-shep sequences.  As for Shep breathing at the end?  If looked at the clip over and over and there is no evidence that he's on Earth.  It apparently appears only during the destroy ending (the only ending that does not consume him), where the citadel is **partially** destroyed.  Clip could just as easily be Shep in the rubble of Citadel.  Please stop grasping at straws.

Another explaination for the ending is that it was just a poorly concieved gamble on the part of Bioware.  I was neutral toward this before the release of their written ending plans, but now the answer is clear.

But keep on believing.  I will definitely be back to post again when Bioware releases further statements about the ending and (hopefully) dlc making this theory null and void.  I mean, not that any of that would sway you...

Okay explain the dream trees you know the ones that come out of no where when the beam hits you, the ones that were not there before. GO!

[lex0r11]

Zix13 wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Zix13 wrote...

Been watching this thread for a while, finally got around to getting the forum to let me post.
Anyways, yes, ending was garbage. Yes, indoctrination theory makes total sense. I haven't seen one compelling argument to the contrary. However, that is provided ea wasn't concerned about money. I don't see any possible reason for bioware/ea to ship an endingless game. Makes no business sense. Though... I also don't see how anyone could decide that ending worked.

i say it will be their way of being the first guys to slap a leak in the face and go: "look how bold we are with our inovation!"

Possible but unlikely. Including it at release would have the same effect on the player, but not the backlash from the community.

what about the different release dates around the world? that would defeat the purpose.

[VonJedi1]

jules_vern18 wrote...

Dap Brannigan wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Books/comics establish that TIM got his eyes from contact with a Reaper artifact that put him in early indoctrination at the same time.

Shepard gets the same eyes as TIM when he picks control of synthesis. Not "they look weird," the same eyes.

It's not ambiguous. This is indoctrination. Deal with it.

What's funny is that in ME2, being a renegade shows the same pattern in red.  From what is assumed to be your Cerberus implants.

If you're a moderate renegade, you can see the triad of three dots, one on top, two at the bottom.  Once you go hardcore renegade your iris turns red, but I think those three dots stay.

Also it's been pointed out that EDI/Eva Core body also has some same pattern in her eyes.

This.  Eyes are clearly part of Shep's synthetic implants, as revealed during the control and synthesis dissolving-shep sequences.  As for Shep breathing at the end?  If looked at the clip over and over and there is no evidence that he's on Earth.  It apparently appears only during the destroy ending (the only ending that does not consume him), where the citadel is **partially** destroyed.  Clip could just as easily be Shep in the rubble of Citadel.  Please stop grasping at straws.

Another explaination for the ending is that it was just a poorly concieved gamble on the part of Bioware.  I was neutral toward this before the release of their written ending plans, but now the answer is clear.

But keep on believing.  I will definitely be back to post again when Bioware releases further statements about the ending and (hopefully) dlc making this theory null and void.  I mean, not that any of that would sway you...

Will you be back to post again if this theory is proven true?

Doubtful.

[krystalevenstar]

Btw, I don't know why you're all saying that was from Nov of 2011. Doesn't the app say he (Geoff Knightly) saw all of this on Feb 15th? He said the game was done and they were working on DLC, and he was just allowed to see notes and things from during development. Everyone needs to calm their ****** about the Final Hours thing. For gods sake, it's from the guy who does gametrailers.com

[Mallissin]

Miss Vader wrote...

You have probably seen this one as well then  

Nope, pretty good though. But how's Thane in that conversation? Don't we meet him at the end of that mission?

[MissMaster_2]

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

it's great to believe in the theory, but why bother? They have all but confirmed the endings were intended to be that way.

I wish, oh God do i wish it were not so, but all signs point to "game over man. game over."

It's not like there's no hope, just ask for a better ending DLC. Stop wasting time on something that's not there and fight for better endings.

two words: Dream Trees

Seven words: Shepard has not helmet on in open space.

[jules_vern18]

VonJedi1 wrote...

jules_vern18 wrote...

Dap Brannigan wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Books/comics establish that TIM got his eyes from contact with a Reaper artifact that put him in early indoctrination at the same time.

Shepard gets the same eyes as TIM when he picks control of synthesis. Not "they look weird," the same eyes.

It's not ambiguous. This is indoctrination. Deal with it.

What's funny is that in ME2, being a renegade shows the same pattern in red.  From what is assumed to be your Cerberus implants.

If you're a moderate renegade, you can see the triad of three dots, one on top, two at the bottom.  Once you go hardcore renegade your iris turns red, but I think those three dots stay.

Also it's been pointed out that EDI/Eva Core body also has some same pattern in her eyes.

This.  Eyes are clearly part of Shep's synthetic implants, as revealed during the control and synthesis dissolving-shep sequences.  As for Shep breathing at the end?  If looked at the clip over and over and there is no evidence that he's on Earth.  It apparently appears only during the destroy ending (the only ending that does not consume him), where the citadel is **partially** destroyed.  Clip could just as easily be Shep in the rubble of Citadel.  Please stop grasping at straws.

Another explaination for the ending is that it was just a poorly concieved gamble on the part of Bioware.  I was neutral toward this before the release of their written ending plans, but now the answer is clear.

But keep on believing.  I will definitely be back to post again when Bioware releases further statements about the ending and (hopefully) dlc making this theory null and void.  I mean, not that any of that would sway you...

Will you be back to post again if this theory is proven true?

Doubtful.

You know what?  Absolutely.  If this theory is proven true, I will come back here and issue a full and complete apology, a poem praising the OP for his sound reasoning, and statement that all of you are undisputably more intelligent than I will ever be.  I promise that I will do this, with all my heart - and you can pester me on @Purudaya, through the BSN, or at jules_vern18@hotmail.com if I don't. 

I just doubt that it will ever come to that.

[Dap Brannigan]

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

it's great to believe in the theory, but why bother? They have all but confirmed the endings were intended to be that way.

I wish, oh God do i wish it were not so, but all signs point to "game over man. game over."

It's not like there's no hope, just ask for a better ending DLC. Stop wasting time on something that's not there and fight for better endings.

If the theory is true -- it means the "endings" are not the endings.  

If the theory is true, you don't even have to ask for the DLC.  The endings are either already on their way (for free) or it's going to be DLC we have to pay for.

If it's the latter -- I'll play it, but I won't be paying for anymore of Bioware's games.

[Zix13]

lex0r11 wrote...

Zix13 wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Zix13 wrote...

Been watching this thread for a while, finally got around to getting the forum to let me post.
Anyways, yes, ending was garbage. Yes, indoctrination theory makes total sense. I haven't seen one compelling argument to the contrary. However, that is provided ea wasn't concerned about money. I don't see any possible reason for bioware/ea to ship an endingless game. Makes no business sense. Though... I also don't see how anyone could decide that ending worked.

i say it will be their way of being the first guys to slap a leak in the face and go: "look how bold we are with our inovation!"

Possible but unlikely. Including it at release would have the same effect on the player, but not the backlash from the community.

what about the different release dates around the world? that would defeat the purpose.

Avoiding spoilers isn't a reason. Spoilers are called spoilers for a reason; if you want to be surprised, don't read them. People who actually play the game before reading a plot summary would have much preferred to actually have the ending included. Besides, spoilers don't affect sales, unless they reveal a garbage ending.... which they did.

[jules_vern18]

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

it's great to believe in the theory, but why bother? They have all but confirmed the endings were intended to be that way.

I wish, oh God do i wish it were not so, but all signs point to "game over man. game over."

It's not like there's no hope, just ask for a better ending DLC. Stop wasting time on something that's not there and fight for better endings.

This.  Focus your efforts on lobbying for a BETTER ENDING.

[lex0r11]

jules_vern18 wrote...

But keep on believing.  I will definitely be back to post again when Bioware releases further statements about the ending and (hopefully) dlc making this theory null and void.  I mean, not that any of that would sway you...

really? want to feel good about going 'i told you so' on a theory that never claimed to be the 100% solution to the whole ending dilemma? i don't know.

some of us think this is a way to implement dlc in a good way. so what?

[blueboxblues]

Miss Vader wrote...

Mallissin wrote...

blueboxblues wrote...

Miss Vader wrote...

Here watch this:

... think we need a laugh

bahahaha

This guy is awesome.

You have probably seen this one as well then   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdiThWSPvsg&feature=related

Love them all, but I think Nyan Reaper is my favorite...because I think of kitties that poop rainbows when I think of Reapers 

[byne]

jules_vern18 wrote...

VonJedi1 wrote...

jules_vern18 wrote...

Dap Brannigan wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Books/comics establish that TIM got his eyes from contact with a Reaper artifact that put him in early indoctrination at the same time.

Shepard gets the same eyes as TIM when he picks control of synthesis. Not "they look weird," the same eyes.

It's not ambiguous. This is indoctrination. Deal with it.

What's funny is that in ME2, being a renegade shows the same pattern in red.  From what is assumed to be your Cerberus implants.

If you're a moderate renegade, you can see the triad of three dots, one on top, two at the bottom.  Once you go hardcore renegade your iris turns red, but I think those three dots stay.

Also it's been pointed out that EDI/Eva Core body also has some same pattern in her eyes.

This.  Eyes are clearly part of Shep's synthetic implants, as revealed during the control and synthesis dissolving-shep sequences.  As for Shep breathing at the end?  If looked at the clip over and over and there is no evidence that he's on Earth.  It apparently appears only during the destroy ending (the only ending that does not consume him), where the citadel is **partially** destroyed.  Clip could just as easily be Shep in the rubble of Citadel.  Please stop grasping at straws.

Another explaination for the ending is that it was just a poorly concieved gamble on the part of Bioware.  I was neutral toward this before the release of their written ending plans, but now the answer is clear.

But keep on believing.  I will definitely be back to post again when Bioware releases further statements about the ending and (hopefully) dlc making this theory null and void.  I mean, not that any of that would sway you...

Will you be back to post again if this theory is proven true?

Doubtful.

You know what?  Absolutely.  If this theory is proven true, I will come back here and issue a full and complete apology, a poem praising the OP for his sound reasoning, and statement that all of you are undisputably more intelligent than I will ever be.  I promise that I will do this, with all my heart - and you can pester me on @Purudaya, through the BSN, or at jules_vern18@hotmail.com if I don't. 

I just doubt that it will ever come to that.

A poem? You're too kind!

[MissMaster_2]

@jules_vern18 I keep asking you to explain the dream trees.

Modifié par MissMaster_2, 16 mars 2012 - 12:24 .

[3JIoe 3JIO]

jules_vern18 wrote...

Dap Brannigan wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Books/comics establish that TIM got his eyes from contact with a Reaper artifact that put him in early indoctrination at the same time.

Shepard gets the same eyes as TIM when he picks control of synthesis. Not "they look weird," the same eyes.

It's not ambiguous. This is indoctrination. Deal with it.

What's funny is that in ME2, being a renegade shows the same pattern in red.  From what is assumed to be your Cerberus implants.

If you're a moderate renegade, you can see the triad of three dots, one on top, two at the bottom.  Once you go hardcore renegade your iris turns red, but I think those three dots stay.

Also it's been pointed out that EDI/Eva Core body also has some same pattern in her eyes.

This.  Eyes are clearly part of Shep's synthetic implants, as revealed during the control and synthesis dissolving-shep sequences.  As for Shep breathing at the end?  If looked at the clip over and over and there is no evidence that he's on Earth.  It apparently appears only during the destroy ending (the only ending that does not consume him), where the citadel is **partially** destroyed.  Clip could just as easily be Shep in the rubble of Citadel.  Please stop grasping at straws.

Another explaination for the ending is that it was just a poorly concieved gamble on the part of Bioware.  I was neutral toward this before the release of their written ending plans, but now the answer is clear.

But keep on believing.  I will definitely be back to post again when Bioware releases further statements about the ending and (hopefully) dlc making this theory null and void.  I mean, not that any of that would sway you...

Actually they are not

[IronSabbath88]

Yes, excuse us for not petitioning for better endings when we believe there's no need to...

Still, good on you for donating to charity.

[Dap Brannigan]

Two dots on top, one on the bottom. So not the same as in the Control and Synthesis endings.