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[Zix13]

Vhalkyrie wrote...

Zix13 wrote...

Vhalkyrie wrote...

Shepard gained TIM's eyes in control/synthesis convinced me that these are the renegade endings. Hackett and Anderson tell Shepard over and over again that the ONLY way to win is destroy.

Man I can't believe people think renegade = evil. No. Renegade = uncompromising/badass/kill bad people instead of being like "Oh you just tried to kill me, that's cool. Want some coffee?". Paragon is idealistic. Renegade shep would always choose destroy. Paragon shep would be tempted otherwise. In fact, my renegade vanguard shep would do the following to godchild: biotic charge, nova, falcon punch, GG. The fact that my shep could not do this is the greatest evidence that indoc. theory is true.

Not at all.  I've played both Renegade and Paragon.  Renegade means exactly that.  Does things their own way.  Not necessarily 'evil'.

However, I disagree that Renegade would always choose 'destroy'.  I think Renegade could very well want to destroy or control.  Paragon could want destroy or synergy.  I think destroy could be renegade or paragon choice.  However, it is the only option in which Shepard wins.  The Reapers win 2/3 scenarios.

Nah, paragon would care more about the whole "Geth + EDI die" bit. Renegade would stick to his guns. Besides, control isn't much of an option, it's like a path marked with a sign that says "Are you kidding? Really? You just killed the last guy who thought this would work 30 seconds ago and after seeing how that turned out you REALLY think it's a good idea?" No. Control is just a stupid option. Shep wouldn't have made it through the TIM dialogue if he would choose control. In fact, he would have joined Saren in the first game. Not that I'm saying synthesis isn't stupid, but control is even more obviously stupid. Short version: Renegade Shep has no motivation to choose anything but destroy, Paragon has a little bit. Besides, I never play straight paragon or renegade, usually a little to the renegade side of center, just because renegade shep can be a huge dick sometimes and paragon shep is too nice to the ****s of the galaxy.


-edit- said control instead of destroy, woops

Modifié par Zix13, 16 mars 2012 - 01:02 .

[Auresta]

Zix13 wrote...

Vhalkyrie wrote...

Zix13 wrote...

Vhalkyrie wrote...

Shepard gained TIM's eyes in control/synthesis convinced me that these are the renegade endings. Hackett and Anderson tell Shepard over and over again that the ONLY way to win is destroy.

Man I can't believe people think renegade = evil. No. Renegade = uncompromising/badass/kill bad people instead of being like "Oh you just tried to kill me, that's cool. Want some coffee?". Paragon is idealistic. Renegade shep would always choose destroy. Paragon shep would be tempted otherwise. In fact, my renegade vanguard shep would do the following to godchild: biotic charge, nova, falcon punch, GG. The fact that my shep could not do this is the greatest evidence that indoc. theory is true.

Not at all.  I've played both Renegade and Paragon.  Renegade means exactly that.  Does things their own way.  Not necessarily 'evil'.

However, I disagree that Renegade would always choose 'destroy'.  I think Renegade could very well want to destroy or control.  Paragon could want destroy or synergy.  I think destroy could be renegade or paragon choice.  However, it is the only option in which Shepard wins.  The Reapers win 2/3 scenarios.

Nah, paragon would care more about the whole "Geth + EDI die" bit. Renegade would stick to his guns. Besides, control isn't much of an option, it's like a path marked with a sign that says "Are you kidding? Really? You just killed the last guy who thought this would work 30 seconds ago and after seeing how that turned out you REALLY think it's a good idea?" No. Control is just a stupid option. Shep wouldn't have made it through the TIM dialogue if he would choose control. In fact, he would have joined Saren in the first game. Not that I'm saying synthesis isn't stupid, but control is even more obviously stupid. Short version: Renegade Shep has no motivation to choose anything but control, Paragon has a little bit. Besides, I never play straight paragon or renegade, usually a little to the renegade side of center, just because renegade shep can be a huge dick sometimes and paragon shep is too nice to the ****s of the galaxy.

We're also forgetting the fact here that we're trusting the star-brat and his description of the choices. I think a Shepard choosing "destroy" might have thought not to trust him. 

Control, regardless of TIM, sounds peaceful..

[Martukis]

rockman0 wrote...

Auresta wrote...

rockman0 wrote...

@Martukis: Ah. Thanks. Luckily, I have a save for that one too. :-) I'm going to try that tomorrow. I'm beat today. Took about 2 hours of MP to get up to 100%.

@Auresta: Yes, I did the destroy ending. Thanks for the response. :-)

Do you play PC? If you ever need MP and I'm around, I'm down to play.

Sorry, I play on the PS3. 

Switched because my laptop coudl barely play ME2. Didn't want to take the chance on ME3. 

 Kinda weird knowing someone has a twitter account with the same name as my BSN profile. Unsure of which came first, but I was ignorant of the other until just now.

[mpgeist]

Man after watching that video by Avocado (edit: ACAVYOS, sorry) I'm starting to really believe this. I mean, my ending was the destroy option with Shepard breathing and the thought did cross my mind but...wow. If this ends up being true then Bioware has crafted a master stroke in trolling (and lying).

Modifié par mpgeist, 16 mars 2012 - 01:03 .

[Auresta]

Martukis wrote...

rockman0 wrote...

Auresta wrote...

rockman0 wrote...

@Martukis: Ah. Thanks. Luckily, I have a save for that one too. :-) I'm going to try that tomorrow. I'm beat today. Took about 2 hours of MP to get up to 100%.

@Auresta: Yes, I did the destroy ending. Thanks for the response. :-)

Do you play PC? If you ever need MP and I'm around, I'm down to play.

Sorry, I play on the PS3. 

Switched because my laptop coudl barely play ME2. Didn't want to take the chance on ME3. 

 Kinda weird knowing someone has a twitter account with the same name as my BSN profile. Unsure of which came first, but I was ignorant of the other until just now.

You're joking right? The @ wasn't meant as a twitter thing :X

[Martukis]

O-of course I was joking! ha!

[cubie_hole7]

Not sure if this has been addressed, or is even an issue, but my installation doesn't match up with the data sizes on the installation discs or the recommended minimum disk space requirements.  I have completed a play through, so my installation is 'complete.'

Per the packaging, mininum disk space required for PC installation is 15GB, which sounds right, because disc one is about 7.81GB, and disc two is about 6.08GB.  However, my Mass Effect 3 folder size only measures about 10.5GB on my hard drive.  It also installed Origin, but that only measures about 116MB.  I also download Javik, which I don't remember the file size of that, but it wasn't that big.  My save folder is less than 700KB.  After installing, the two installation discs are not needed to play the game.

The quick math brings that to about 3.27GB worth of data that I can't account for.  I know installations/games sometimes are packaged with other software (like direct X, etc.), but 3.27GB is quite a bit.

Also, for reference, Mass Effect 2 had the same 15GB  free space requirement.  I have all dlc for that game, and it measures 23.5GB on my hard drive now.  The Shadow Broker dlc was the biggest single file, but was only about 1.5GB.

Has anything addressed this or is it much ado about nothing?

[LadyofRivendell]

mpgeist wrote...

Man after watching that video by Avocado (edit: ACAVYOS, sorry) I'm starting to really believe this. I mean, my ending was the destroy option with Shepard breathing and the thought did cross my mind but...wow. If this ends up being true then Bioware has crafted a master stroke in trolling (and lying).

I don't think they had anything planned originally, judging by their answers around the forum. But they could easily take this idea and run with it, unless they'd feel ashamed or something to not have come up with it on their own.

[MJF JD]

LadyofRivendell wrote...

mpgeist wrote...

Man after watching that video by Avocado (edit: ACAVYOS, sorry) I'm starting to really believe this. I mean, my ending was the destroy option with Shepard breathing and the thought did cross my mind but...wow. If this ends up being true then Bioware has crafted a master stroke in trolling (and lying).

I don't think they had anything planned originally, judging by their answers around the forum. But they could easily take this idea and run with it, unless they'd feel ashamed or something to not have come up with it on their own.

ive mentioned this a few times.  I dont think this theory of ours would have stuck as long as it has if the clues throughout the game werent put there for this reason.  There were plenty of other theories that popped up the first days and most of them died off quickly due to no in game evidence.  

[NotCras]

cubie_hole7 wrote...

Not sure if this has been addressed, or is even an issue, but my installation doesn't match up with the data sizes on the installation discs or the recommended minimum disk space requirements.  I have completed a play through, so my installation is 'complete.'

Per the packaging, mininum disk space required for PC installation is 15GB, which sounds right, because disc one is about 7.81GB, and disc two is about 6.08GB.  However, my Mass Effect 3 folder size only measures about 10.5GB on my hard drive.  It also installed Origin, but that only measures about 116MB.  I also download Javik, which I don't remember the file size of that, but it wasn't that big.  My save folder is less than 700KB.  After installing, the two installation discs are not needed to play the game.

The quick math brings that to about 3.27GB worth of data that I can't account for.  I know installations/games sometimes are packaged with other software (like direct X, etc.), but 3.27GB is quite a bit.

Also, for reference, Mass Effect 2 had the same 15GB  free space requirement.  I have all dlc for that game, and it measures 23.5GB on my hard drive now.  The Shadow Broker dlc was the biggest single file, but was only about 1.5GB.

Has anything addressed this or is it much ado about nothing?

YES i was saying this before and no one was listening THIS IS BIG. This is one of the big reasons that I think Bioware is up to something.

[Auresta]

cubie_hole7 wrote...

Not sure if this has been addressed, or is even an issue, but my installation doesn't match up with the data sizes on the installation discs or the recommended minimum disk space requirements.  I have completed a play through, so my installation is 'complete.'

Per the packaging, mininum disk space required for PC installation is 15GB, which sounds right, because disc one is about 7.81GB, and disc two is about 6.08GB.  However, my Mass Effect 3 folder size only measures about 10.5GB on my hard drive.  It also installed Origin, but that only measures about 116MB.  I also download Javik, which I don't remember the file size of that, but it wasn't that big.  My save folder is less than 700KB.  After installing, the two installation discs are not needed to play the game.

The quick math brings that to about 3.27GB worth of data that I can't account for.  I know installations/games sometimes are packaged with other software (like direct X, etc.), but 3.27GB is quite a bit.

Also, for reference, Mass Effect 2 had the same 15GB  free space requirement.  I have all dlc for that game, and it measures 23.5GB on my hard drive now.  The Shadow Broker dlc was the biggest single file, but was only about 1.5GB.

Has anything addressed this or is it much ado about nothing?

It's supposed to be much ado about nothing. Sometimes their estimates are off, as well. People also have compared this to the console versions of the ME3 data and it doesn't match (as in theirs are too full to have any sort of "hidden" content.)

Plus, that would have been datamined already.

Modifié par Auresta, 16 mars 2012 - 01:11 .

[Ranorm]

 Sorry if this has been mentioned before but...on my run (er...stagger) towards the TIM/Anderson conversation, I tried pulling a Saren and shooting the keepers out of frustration, expecting them to do what the pyjaks did in ME2 and original keepers did in ME...
They are invincible.
The bullets just went right through them and they just kept on happily tapping away on dead bodies...

[Auresta]

Ranorm wrote...

 Sorry if this has been mentioned before but...on my run (er...stagger) towards the TIM/Anderson conversation, I tried pulling a Saren and shooting the keepers out of frustration, expecting them to do what the pyjaks did in ME2 and original keepers did in ME...
They are invincible.
The bullets just went right through them and they just kept on happily tapping away on dead bodies...

Could be simple oversight, or intentional. Having the keepers die during that part isn't particularly important. Same with infinite ammo.

[Descedent]

Miss Vader wrote...

HairyMadDog1010 wrote...

http://twitter.com/#...378449410666496

Holy Exclaimation marks batman- sounds like they have something exciting to share 

 
There's a dragon age panel and an mass effect panel

[Shallyah]

I don't know if someone mentioned this, but I haven't seen it in the OP's summary, and I've just realized after watching the ME3 ending sequence once more time, that the planet where Joker+LI+3rd squadmate land has two celestial bodies in the sky in similar disposition as the Stargazer+child scene after the credits. In the crash landing scene seems to be about noon, and in the Stargazer+child scene, it's probably around midnight, so these celestial bodies are being shone on from opposite angles, but other than that, shape and size appear similar.

Modifié par Shallyah, 16 mars 2012 - 01:18 .

[noobcannon]

dfstone wrote...

noobcannon wrote...

dfstone wrote...

GoldenSkans9 wrote...

The thing that makes no sense to me, is why the Final Boss was ever even planned to be TIM. How does killing TIM "Take Earth Back"?

If your rep is high enough, TIM kills himself.

i had full paragon and i couldn't kill him. does it need to be a ng+?

No he killed himself on my first play thru.  Maybe you have to pick the right dialoge choices.  But in my game Shepherd convinced the Illusive Man that he was indoctrinated and then he shot himself in the head.

do you remember which dialouge choices you chose?

[mpgeist]

LadyofRivendell wrote...

mpgeist wrote...

Man after watching that video by Avocado (edit: ACAVYOS, sorry) I'm starting to really believe this. I mean, my ending was the destroy option with Shepard breathing and the thought did cross my mind but...wow. If this ends up being true then Bioware has crafted a master stroke in trolling (and lying).

I don't think they had anything planned originally, judging by their answers around the forum. But they could easily take this idea and run with it, unless they'd feel ashamed or something to not have come up with it on their own.

My only hope is that they'd give the fanbase some credit and say "Look everyone, our fanbase knew something was off and they were right, back off a little." Pre-planned or not, I think everyone can agree that this has spiraled out of control.

[Ghrelt]

It's okay to bring stuff up again. We can't expect you to read almost 600 pages just to catch up. Most of the obvious points were in the first three pages, if I remember correctly. But the more people who share in this maybe-delusional-theory the better the ones who believe feel. So feel free to hit on points that may have been covered.

[Auresta]

Shallyah wrote...

I don't know if someone mentioned this, but I haven't seen it in the OP's summary, and I've just realized after watching the ME3 ending sequence once more time, that the planet where Joker+LI+3rd squadmate land has two celestial bodies in the sky in similar disposition. In the crash landing scene seems to be about noon, and in the Stargazer+child scene, it's probably around midnight, so these celestial bodies are being shone on from opposite angles, but other than that, shape and size appear similar.

It's been brought up before. Not sure what to make of it. 

Other than, you know, I don't see any turians or quarians running around. ;/ ~sigh

[MissMaster_2]

Auresta wrote...

cubie_hole7 wrote...

Not sure if this has been addressed, or is even an issue, but my installation doesn't match up with the data sizes on the installation discs or the recommended minimum disk space requirements.  I have completed a play through, so my installation is 'complete.'

Per the packaging, mininum disk space required for PC installation is 15GB, which sounds right, because disc one is about 7.81GB, and disc two is about 6.08GB.  However, my Mass Effect 3 folder size only measures about 10.5GB on my hard drive.  It also installed Origin, but that only measures about 116MB.  I also download Javik, which I don't remember the file size of that, but it wasn't that big.  My save folder is less than 700KB.  After installing, the two installation discs are not needed to play the game.

The quick math brings that to about 3.27GB worth of data that I can't account for.  I know installations/games sometimes are packaged with other software (like direct X, etc.), but 3.27GB is quite a bit.

Also, for reference, Mass Effect 2 had the same 15GB  free space requirement.  I have all dlc for that game, and it measures 23.5GB on my hard drive now.  The Shadow Broker dlc was the biggest single file, but was only about 1.5GB.

Has anything addressed this or is it much ado about nothing?

It's supposed to be much ado about nothing. Sometimes their estimates are off, as well. People also have compared this to the console versions of the ME3 data and it doesn't match (as in theirs are too full to have any sort of "hidden" content.)

Plus, that would have been datamined already.

But there is missing and hidden dialog that kind of puts things together.

[Elenterx]

Just finished my insanity playthrough, After sticking around this thread since page 4 the ending was sooo much more bearable.

I'm praying we will see some information about ending dlc soon, hopefully pax east or sooner.

[Lili_oups]

 www.youtube.com/watch

BIO/EA watch this...it talks for the MAJORITY of your costumers !!!
We demand ENDINGS !!!

[Debi-Tage]

Anyone notice yet one of the main themes of ME3 is for Shepard to survive on hope. Hope is weaved throughout all of your conversations with your squadmates, either you offering hope (in the beginning) to others and as you inch closer and closer to the end of the game Shepard leans more and more on his/her companions for hope. Shepard is worn down and doubtful by the end of the game...something Shepard has never been before. That is when your allies and friends begin to become the strong ones, inspiring you to lean on them for once. Shepard can't do this alone.

That is the whole point of the Mass Effect series. What is so mystifying about the endings as they stand is that ultimately Shepard does do it all by his/herself, is asked to decide the future for everyone (by herself), and is never privy to the outcome of that decision? That is what is so damn annoying and unacceptable to me. What a total and utter letdown.

I for one chose to have hope at this point in time, evidence for all theories considered. If others coming here "get" the ending, if it meshes with your Shepard's story, more power to you. But in my eyes it is a total reversal of everything that is wonderful about Mass Effect. If it truly is the end, I will never buy another product from Bioware or EA again.

Sorry to be off topic.

Modifié par Debi-Tage, 16 mars 2012 - 01:34 .

[Lili_oups]

[page693]

I read almost every post in this thread since the beginning, but I never posted before. But I wanted to share my ideas with you.

There's one thing I'm sure of. EA wants money. Lot of cash. That simply doesn't make sense if they don't tell Bioware to correct this "ending" (if we can call it like this). 90% of players didn't like the endings. They said it on every video games websites and forums I visited since ME3 release. Potential players who read those warnings probably won't buy the game - or some won't at least. And EA will lose money. That simply doesn't make sense.

The endings also seems really odd to me. They are unrealistic. I write stories, scripts and novels for fun, and never in my life I thought to write an ending like this. When Shepard was hit by Harbinger beam, I noticed an obvious change in writing style but also with the realization quality. The fact that whatever you chose, when you met the godchild, the endings were pretty much the same thing, was also a great hint. Why Bioware, who said that the choices we made since the beginning would matter at the end, would throw us that two minutes long cinematic to conclude the Mass Effect trilogy ? Thst make no sense. I think that Bioware didn't want to spend too much resources on these endings, because they are actually planning something better.

If, really, they won't correct the endings, or if it happens to be the true ones, then there will always be those fan based theories to improve the finale. I support this theory because it brings answers to most of the suspending questions these endings leave us, but it is also supported with proofs found in the game. Congratulations to everyone involved.

I would like to help newcomers to understand the theory and people who wants to review the evidence found. That's why I suggest everyone to read the following thread, as it presents clearly most of the evidence found at this moment :

http://w11.zetaboard...opic/7688087/1/

You can also review Bioware / Mass Effect 3 cryptic and interesting tweets here :

http://w11.zetaboard.../topic/7688091/

Also, I would like to remind everyone that whatever your opinion is about ME3 endings or Bioware in general, please be polite when you share your thoughts. I'm opened to discuss and analyze counter-arguments if they are well-explained, relevant and brought with respect. If you don't agree with indoctrinatiln theory, it's OK. If you believe it, or another theory, it's correct too. Just remember to respect others' thoughts and ideas.

Thanks for reading this post. I apologize if there's mistakes, as English is not my native langage. Happy gaming to everyone !

Modifié par page693, 16 mars 2012 - 01:34 .