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[Complistic]

Im sure this has been realized before now, but I just finished the ending now and noticed that starchild's voice is actually the little kid's voice, maleshep, and femsheps voice all layered on top of each other. Just thought that was interesting.

I've little doubt after seeing it actually play out that other than the cruicible opening up and then later firing, it was all a battle in shepards head vs harbringer. Much like the battle for sovreign was fought through saren vs shepard as a proxy. 

Modifié par Complistic, 16 mars 2012 - 01:26 .

[Auresta]

MissMaster_2 wrote...

Auresta wrote...

cubie_hole7 wrote...

Not sure if this has been addressed, or is even an issue, but my installation doesn't match up with the data sizes on the installation discs or the recommended minimum disk space requirements.  I have completed a play through, so my installation is 'complete.'

Per the packaging, mininum disk space required for PC installation is 15GB, which sounds right, because disc one is about 7.81GB, and disc two is about 6.08GB.  However, my Mass Effect 3 folder size only measures about 10.5GB on my hard drive.  It also installed Origin, but that only measures about 116MB.  I also download Javik, which I don't remember the file size of that, but it wasn't that big.  My save folder is less than 700KB.  After installing, the two installation discs are not needed to play the game.

The quick math brings that to about 3.27GB worth of data that I can't account for.  I know installations/games sometimes are packaged with other software (like direct X, etc.), but 3.27GB is quite a bit.

Also, for reference, Mass Effect 2 had the same 15GB  free space requirement.  I have all dlc for that game, and it measures 23.5GB on my hard drive now.  The Shadow Broker dlc was the biggest single file, but was only about 1.5GB.

Has anything addressed this or is it much ado about nothing?

It's supposed to be much ado about nothing. Sometimes their estimates are off, as well. People also have compared this to the console versions of the ME3 data and it doesn't match (as in theirs are too full to have any sort of "hidden" content.)

Plus, that would have been datamined already.

But there is missing and hidden dialog that kind of puts things together.

Interesting point - I forgot about the cut/hidden dialogue. But I don't think it goes much farther than that..

[Vhalkyrie]

Auresta wrote...

Zix13 wrote...

Vhalkyrie wrote...

Zix13 wrote...

Vhalkyrie wrote...

Shepard gained TIM's eyes in control/synthesis convinced me that these are the renegade endings. Hackett and Anderson tell Shepard over and over again that the ONLY way to win is destroy.

Man I can't believe people think renegade = evil. No. Renegade = uncompromising/badass/kill bad people instead of being like "Oh you just tried to kill me, that's cool. Want some coffee?". Paragon is idealistic. Renegade shep would always choose destroy. Paragon shep would be tempted otherwise. In fact, my renegade vanguard shep would do the following to godchild: biotic charge, nova, falcon punch, GG. The fact that my shep could not do this is the greatest evidence that indoc. theory is true.

Not at all.  I've played both Renegade and Paragon.  Renegade means exactly that.  Does things their own way.  Not necessarily 'evil'.

However, I disagree that Renegade would always choose 'destroy'.  I think Renegade could very well want to destroy or control.  Paragon could want destroy or synergy.  I think destroy could be renegade or paragon choice.  However, it is the only option in which Shepard wins.  The Reapers win 2/3 scenarios.

Nah, paragon would care more about the whole "Geth + EDI die" bit. Renegade would stick to his guns. Besides, control isn't much of an option, it's like a path marked with a sign that says "Are you kidding? Really? You just killed the last guy who thought this would work 30 seconds ago and after seeing how that turned out you REALLY think it's a good idea?" No. Control is just a stupid option. Shep wouldn't have made it through the TIM dialogue if he would choose control. In fact, he would have joined Saren in the first game. Not that I'm saying synthesis isn't stupid, but control is even more obviously stupid. Short version: Renegade Shep has no motivation to choose anything but control, Paragon has a little bit. Besides, I never play straight paragon or renegade, usually a little to the renegade side of center, just because renegade shep can be a huge dick sometimes and paragon shep is too nice to the ****s of the galaxy.

We're also forgetting the fact here that we're trusting the star-brat and his description of the choices. I think a Shepard choosing "destroy" might have thought not to trust him. 

Control, regardless of TIM, sounds peaceful..

Yes, that's right.  The Reaper child is lying.  If you recognize that, Destroy is the right option, unless you actively decide to side with the Reapers anyway.  Knowing the kid is lying and doing it anyway is renegade, just as deciding not to destroy the Collector Base at the end of ME2 is renegade.  I couldn't save the Collector base in any of my playthroughs because I couldn't think of a single scenario where that would be a good idea.

[Golferguy758]

Trust me guys, I've been onboard with this plan the whole time. I've even posted information that supports it.

But explain how Bioware could do anything about this. Clearly they like how open ended it is. They scripted it to cause speculation.

I wish I was wrong. I hope i'm wrong. I hope that they say that little stunt was also part of the plan, but the sheer probability says no. I want to be able to look back and say "I should have kept faith in Bioware" But all my hope is dwindling. I may be becoming indoctrinated, but at this point I'd rather be to get out of this despair hole.

I warned my friend after he beat it the first time to not bother. He was absolutely livid when I showed him the cinematic comparison. He has hope for the indoc theory, but he's in the same boat as me.

[Auresta]

Vhalkyrie wrote...

Auresta wrote...

Zix13 wrote...

Vhalkyrie wrote...

Zix13 wrote...

Vhalkyrie wrote...

Shepard gained TIM's eyes in control/synthesis convinced me that these are the renegade endings. Hackett and Anderson tell Shepard over and over again that the ONLY way to win is destroy.

Man I can't believe people think renegade = evil. No. Renegade = uncompromising/badass/kill bad people instead of being like "Oh you just tried to kill me, that's cool. Want some coffee?". Paragon is idealistic. Renegade shep would always choose destroy. Paragon shep would be tempted otherwise. In fact, my renegade vanguard shep would do the following to godchild: biotic charge, nova, falcon punch, GG. The fact that my shep could not do this is the greatest evidence that indoc. theory is true.

Not at all.  I've played both Renegade and Paragon.  Renegade means exactly that.  Does things their own way.  Not necessarily 'evil'.

However, I disagree that Renegade would always choose 'destroy'.  I think Renegade could very well want to destroy or control.  Paragon could want destroy or synergy.  I think destroy could be renegade or paragon choice.  However, it is the only option in which Shepard wins.  The Reapers win 2/3 scenarios.

Nah, paragon would care more about the whole "Geth + EDI die" bit. Renegade would stick to his guns. Besides, control isn't much of an option, it's like a path marked with a sign that says "Are you kidding? Really? You just killed the last guy who thought this would work 30 seconds ago and after seeing how that turned out you REALLY think it's a good idea?" No. Control is just a stupid option. Shep wouldn't have made it through the TIM dialogue if he would choose control. In fact, he would have joined Saren in the first game. Not that I'm saying synthesis isn't stupid, but control is even more obviously stupid. Short version: Renegade Shep has no motivation to choose anything but control, Paragon has a little bit. Besides, I never play straight paragon or renegade, usually a little to the renegade side of center, just because renegade shep can be a huge dick sometimes and paragon shep is too nice to the ****s of the galaxy.

We're also forgetting the fact here that we're trusting the star-brat and his description of the choices. I think a Shepard choosing "destroy" might have thought not to trust him. 

Control, regardless of TIM, sounds peaceful..

Yes, that's right.  The Reaper child is lying.  If you recognize that, Destroy is the right option, unless you actively decide to side with the Reapers anyway.  Knowing the kid is lying and doing it anyway is renegade, just as deciding not to destroy the Collector Base at the end of ME2 is renegade.  I couldn't save the Collector base in any of my playthroughs because I couldn't think of a single scenario where that would be a good idea.

I wouldn't say the star-brat is lying, but I wouldn't be surprised if he was. I personally believe he is lying but we can't talk or act in conviction until we get an official statement. We don't want to narrow our perspective.

[Zix13]

Vhalkyrie wrote...

Auresta wrote...

Zix13 wrote...

Vhalkyrie wrote...

Zix13 wrote...

Vhalkyrie wrote...

Shepard gained TIM's eyes in control/synthesis convinced me that these are the renegade endings. Hackett and Anderson tell Shepard over and over again that the ONLY way to win is destroy.

Man I can't believe people think renegade = evil. No. Renegade = uncompromising/badass/kill bad people instead of being like "Oh you just tried to kill me, that's cool. Want some coffee?". Paragon is idealistic. Renegade shep would always choose destroy. Paragon shep would be tempted otherwise. In fact, my renegade vanguard shep would do the following to godchild: biotic charge, nova, falcon punch, GG. The fact that my shep could not do this is the greatest evidence that indoc. theory is true.

Not at all.  I've played both Renegade and Paragon.  Renegade means exactly that.  Does things their own way.  Not necessarily 'evil'.

However, I disagree that Renegade would always choose 'destroy'.  I think Renegade could very well want to destroy or control.  Paragon could want destroy or synergy.  I think destroy could be renegade or paragon choice.  However, it is the only option in which Shepard wins.  The Reapers win 2/3 scenarios.

Nah, paragon would care more about the whole "Geth + EDI die" bit. Renegade would stick to his guns. Besides, control isn't much of an option, it's like a path marked with a sign that says "Are you kidding? Really? You just killed the last guy who thought this would work 30 seconds ago and after seeing how that turned out you REALLY think it's a good idea?" No. Control is just a stupid option. Shep wouldn't have made it through the TIM dialogue if he would choose control. In fact, he would have joined Saren in the first game. Not that I'm saying synthesis isn't stupid, but control is even more obviously stupid. Short version: Renegade Shep has no motivation to choose anything but control, Paragon has a little bit. Besides, I never play straight paragon or renegade, usually a little to the renegade side of center, just because renegade shep can be a huge dick sometimes and paragon shep is too nice to the ****s of the galaxy.

We're also forgetting the fact here that we're trusting the star-brat and his description of the choices. I think a Shepard choosing "destroy" might have thought not to trust him. 

Control, regardless of TIM, sounds peaceful..

Yes, that's right.  The Reaper child is lying.  If you recognize that, Destroy is the right option, unless you actively decide to side with the Reapers anyway.  Knowing the kid is lying and doing it anyway is renegade, just as deciding not to destroy the Collector Base at the end of ME2 is renegade.  I couldn't save the Collector base in any of my playthroughs because I couldn't think of a single scenario where that would be a good idea.

Lol. No. Did you notice renegade sheps comments are always "Let's make the reapers pay" as opposed to paragon "Let's save everyone". Renegade shep would NEVER do anything other than destroy. Paragon might try control or synthesis to save everyone. Renegade wants to kill reapers. Paragon wants to save people. Saving the collector base is a slightly more renegade decision. But renegade would also not give the illusive man what he wants.  You still seem to think renegade is either evil or stupid. Neither applies.

[Auresta]

Zix13 wrote...

Vhalkyrie wrote...

Auresta wrote...

Zix13 wrote...

Vhalkyrie wrote...

Zix13 wrote...

Vhalkyrie wrote...

Shepard gained TIM's eyes in control/synthesis convinced me that these are the renegade endings. Hackett and Anderson tell Shepard over and over again that the ONLY way to win is destroy.

Man I can't believe people think renegade = evil. No. Renegade = uncompromising/badass/kill bad people instead of being like "Oh you just tried to kill me, that's cool. Want some coffee?". Paragon is idealistic. Renegade shep would always choose destroy. Paragon shep would be tempted otherwise. In fact, my renegade vanguard shep would do the following to godchild: biotic charge, nova, falcon punch, GG. The fact that my shep could not do this is the greatest evidence that indoc. theory is true.

Not at all.  I've played both Renegade and Paragon.  Renegade means exactly that.  Does things their own way.  Not necessarily 'evil'.

However, I disagree that Renegade would always choose 'destroy'.  I think Renegade could very well want to destroy or control.  Paragon could want destroy or synergy.  I think destroy could be renegade or paragon choice.  However, it is the only option in which Shepard wins.  The Reapers win 2/3 scenarios.

Nah, paragon would care more about the whole "Geth + EDI die" bit. Renegade would stick to his guns. Besides, control isn't much of an option, it's like a path marked with a sign that says "Are you kidding? Really? You just killed the last guy who thought this would work 30 seconds ago and after seeing how that turned out you REALLY think it's a good idea?" No. Control is just a stupid option. Shep wouldn't have made it through the TIM dialogue if he would choose control. In fact, he would have joined Saren in the first game. Not that I'm saying synthesis isn't stupid, but control is even more obviously stupid. Short version: Renegade Shep has no motivation to choose anything but control, Paragon has a little bit. Besides, I never play straight paragon or renegade, usually a little to the renegade side of center, just because renegade shep can be a huge dick sometimes and paragon shep is too nice to the ****s of the galaxy.

We're also forgetting the fact here that we're trusting the star-brat and his description of the choices. I think a Shepard choosing "destroy" might have thought not to trust him. 

Control, regardless of TIM, sounds peaceful..

Yes, that's right.  The Reaper child is lying.  If you recognize that, Destroy is the right option, unless you actively decide to side with the Reapers anyway.  Knowing the kid is lying and doing it anyway is renegade, just as deciding not to destroy the Collector Base at the end of ME2 is renegade.  I couldn't save the Collector base in any of my playthroughs because I couldn't think of a single scenario where that would be a good idea.

Lol. No. Did you notice renegade sheps comments are always "Let's make the reapers pay" as opposed to paragon "Let's save everyone". Renegade shep would NEVER do anything other than destroy. Paragon might try control or synthesis to save everyone. Renegade wants to kill reapers. Paragon wants to save people. Saving the collector base is a slightly more renegade decision. But renegade would also not give the illusive man what he wants.  You still seem to think renegade is either evil or stupid. Neither applies.

Thanks for keeping us all in perspective. I forget sometimes that renegade doesn't necessarily mean bad.

[Vhalkyrie]

Auresta wrote...

Vhalkyrie wrote...

Auresta wrote...

We're also forgetting the fact here that we're trusting the star-brat and his description of the choices. I think a Shepard choosing "destroy" might have thought not to trust him. 

Control, regardless of TIM, sounds peaceful..

Yes, that's right.  The Reaper child is lying.  If you recognize that, Destroy is the right option, unless you actively decide to side with the Reapers anyway.  Knowing the kid is lying and doing it anyway is renegade, just as deciding not to destroy the Collector Base at the end of ME2 is renegade.  I couldn't save the Collector base in any of my playthroughs because I couldn't think of a single scenario where that would be a good idea.

I wouldn't say the star-brat is lying, but I wouldn't be surprised if he was. I personally believe he is lying but we can't talk or act in conviction until we get an official statement. We don't want to narrow our perspective.

I'm saying it with conviction.  ../../../images/forum/emoticons/wink.png  The kid is not a god-child - it's a Reaper trying to act in self preservation to prevent Shepard from destroying it, just as the Geth demonstrated.

[MissMaster_2]

I'm fine with never getting an official answer on the ending it leaves it open- fill in the blank with your own interpretation of the ending.

But for me Shepard was dreaming and will wake up.

Modifié par MissMaster_2, 16 mars 2012 - 01:37 .

[lodgik]

noobcannon wrote...

dfstone wrote...

noobcannon wrote...

dfstone wrote...

GoldenSkans9 wrote...

The thing that makes no sense to me, is why the Final Boss was ever even planned to be TIM. How does killing TIM "Take Earth Back"?

If your rep is high enough, TIM kills himself.

i had full paragon and i couldn't kill him. does it need to be a ng+?

No he killed himself on my first play thru.  Maybe you have to pick the right dialoge choices.  But in my game Shepherd convinced the Illusive Man that he was indoctrinated and then he shot himself in the head.

do you remember which dialouge choices you chose?

it's really easy, for TIm to shoot himself in the head you have to use you're paragon option from the first time you talk to him to the last time in the bitter end (always use the pragon option)

PS: I hvae the strategie guide

[Vhalkyrie]

Zix13 wrote...

Lol. No. Did you notice renegade sheps comments are always "Let's make the reapers pay" as opposed to paragon "Let's save everyone". Renegade shep would NEVER do anything other than destroy. Paragon might try control or synthesis to save everyone. Renegade wants to kill reapers. Paragon wants to save people. Saving the collector base is a slightly more renegade decision. But renegade would also not give the illusive man what he wants.  You still seem to think renegade is either evil or stupid. Neither applies.

No, I'm sorry.  But you're painting Paragon with the same brush.  If you chose not to save the Collector base, then you chose the paragon (top) option.  Giving it to TIM was the renegade (bottom) option, to which your entire crew thinks is a horribly bad idea.

Nowhere did I say renegade is evil or stupid.  I think some paragon choices were stupid.  For example, I saved the Rachni, which was the renegade choice.  I have zero regrets about telling that Quarian Admiral to get the hell off my ship.  There was no scenario where I was going to let that slide.  Hence, I will never be able to achieve 100% paragon.../../../images/forum/emoticons/joyful.png

Modifié par Vhalkyrie, 16 mars 2012 - 01:44 .

[Flammenpanzer]

NotCras wrote...

cubie_hole7 wrote...

Not sure if this has been addressed, or is even an issue, but my installation doesn't match up with the data sizes on the installation discs or the recommended minimum disk space requirements.  I have completed a play through, so my installation is 'complete.'

Per the packaging, mininum disk space required for PC installation is 15GB, which sounds right, because disc one is about 7.81GB, and disc two is about 6.08GB.  However, my Mass Effect 3 folder size only measures about 10.5GB on my hard drive.  It also installed Origin, but that only measures about 116MB.  I also download Javik, which I don't remember the file size of that, but it wasn't that big.  My save folder is less than 700KB.  After installing, the two installation discs are not needed to play the game.

The quick math brings that to about 3.27GB worth of data that I can't account for.  I know installations/games sometimes are packaged with other software (like direct X, etc.), but 3.27GB is quite a bit.

Also, for reference, Mass Effect 2 had the same 15GB  free space requirement.  I have all dlc for that game, and it measures 23.5GB on my hard drive now.  The Shadow Broker dlc was the biggest single file, but was only about 1.5GB.

Has anything addressed this or is it much ado about nothing?

YES i was saying this before and no one was listening THIS IS BIG. This is one of the big reasons that I think Bioware is up to something.

Late last night me and some other guy went through this. There is 3gb of German/Italian/French audio files on the CDs that came with Mass Effect 3.

[mmdestiny]

Has anyone else noticed that Kai Leng opens his final fight by punching the floor for seemingly no reason? Perhaps there is a reason. When you examine the ship workings that become exposed by his blow, they appear to be intertwined with Reaper tech. Do you think he's trying to expose Shep to this tech to further indoctrination?

[Tiberius Gracchus]

mmdestiny wrote...

Has anyone else noticed that Kai Leng opens his final fight by punching the floor for seemingly no reason? Perhaps there is a reason. When you examine the ship workings that become exposed by his blow, they appear to be intertwined with Reaper tech. Do you think he's trying to expose Shep to this tech to further indoctrination?

I think most of his interactions in ME2 and ME3 with Cerberus and Reaper tech just **** you up haha.

[Zix13]

Vhalkyrie wrote...

Zix13 wrote...

Lol. No. Did you notice renegade sheps comments are always "Let's make the reapers pay" as opposed to paragon "Let's save everyone". Renegade shep would NEVER do anything other than destroy. Paragon might try control or synthesis to save everyone. Renegade wants to kill reapers. Paragon wants to save people. Saving the collector base is a slightly more renegade decision. But renegade would also not give the illusive man what he wants.  You still seem to think renegade is either evil or stupid. Neither applies.

No, I'm sorry.  But you're painting Paragon with the same brush.  If you chose not to save the Collector base, then you chose the paragon (top) option.  Giving it to TIM was the renegade (bottom) option, to which your entire crew thinks is a horribly bad idea.

 I think about what my shep would say, not just click the top/bottom option. Shep would destroy that base because he doesn't trust cerberus if nothing else. The issue with renegade shep and the destroy option is the "This place is an abomination" instead of more renegade answer such as "No, collectors and every trace of them are going straight to hell" or simply the fact that whenever cerberus experiments with ANYTHING everything goes to sh*t. There are plenty of reasons for destroying the collector base. Though keeping it would make a certain sense if cerberus didn't f everything up.

[SomeoneStoleMyName]

 It is also obvious why Bioware wont make a comment on this yet.
The whole twist would be pointless if people knew about it. The brilliance about the indoc is NOT KNOWING.

If Bioware came clean now saying indoc is the case it would ruin the surprise and experience for so many players.

Bioware is suffering hard right now (Worst. day. ever anyone?) but keep in mind:

BIOWARE IS SILENT FOR THE SAKE OF US FANS! 

They love us so much, suffering because we are mad. Suffering because they cant harm players not done yet with spoilers. Suffering, so much suffering  /hugs bioware

[Elenterx]

mmdestiny wrote...

Has anyone else noticed that Kai Leng opens his final fight by punching the floor for seemingly no reason? Perhaps there is a reason. When you examine the ship workings that become exposed by his blow, they appear to be intertwined with Reaper tech. Do you think he's trying to expose Shep to this tech to further indoctrination?

No... lol

[Flammenpanzer]

Tiberius Gracchus wrote...

mmdestiny wrote...

Has anyone else noticed that Kai Leng opens his final fight by punching the floor for seemingly no reason? Perhaps there is a reason. When you examine the ship workings that become exposed by his blow, they appear to be intertwined with Reaper tech. Do you think he's trying to expose Shep to this tech to further indoctrination?

I think most of his interactions in ME2 and ME3 with Cerberus and Reaper tech just **** you up haha.

I think Shepard is part-reaper....I mean, Kaiden does say 'Is the guy I followed still in there?' XD

[MJF JD]

Swag Ali ‏ @SwagAli · Open
@JessicaMerizan Been reading your tweets (for hope). Seems you like the green ending, but wouldn't that mean Saren was right all along?
Jessica Merizan ‏ @JessicaMerizan Close
@SwagAli how? Blue = Saran/TIM etc. Green = Singularity Red =

[Tiberius Gracchus]

Flammenpanzer wrote...

Tiberius Gracchus wrote...

mmdestiny wrote...

Has anyone else noticed that Kai Leng opens his final fight by punching the floor for seemingly no reason? Perhaps there is a reason. When you examine the ship workings that become exposed by his blow, they appear to be intertwined with Reaper tech. Do you think he's trying to expose Shep to this tech to further indoctrination?

I think most of his interactions in ME2 and ME3 with Cerberus and Reaper tech just **** you up haha.

I think Shepard is part-reaper....I mean, Kaiden does say 'Is the guy I followed still in there?' XD

Yeah if you have either Kaiden or Ash they like have a conversation on Mars about if "its really you" do you still "work for cerberus". they drop hints through the whole game, I really want them to confirm this cause I need to give them their props.

[Ghrelt]

SomeoneStoleMyName wrote...

 It is also obvious why Bioware wont make a comment on this yet.
The whole twist would be pointless if people knew about it. The brilliance about the indoc is NOT KNOWING.

If Bioware came clean now saying indoc is the case it would ruin the surprise and experience for so many players.

Bioware is suffering hard right now (Worst. day. ever anyone?) but keep in mind:

BIOWARE IS SILENT FOR THE SAKE OF US FANS! 

They love us so much, suffering because we are mad. Suffering because they cant harm players not done yet with spoilers. Suffering, so much suffering  /hugs bioware

Yes but they're making ME suffer in the process.    Which I do not like.  I just want to know: am I going to get my true Mass Effect ending?  And when???

[MissMaster_2]

MJF JD wrote...

Swag Ali ‏ @SwagAli · Open
@JessicaMerizan Been reading your tweets (for hope). Seems you like the green ending, but wouldn't that mean Saren was right all along?
Jessica Merizan ‏ @JessicaMerizan Close
@SwagAli how? Blue = Saran/TIM etc. Green = Singularity Red =

....wait what!?

[MysticBinary82]

Well even Shep does not realy beleave if s/he is realy himself. So saying on the cerberus base when he watches the recordings of the lazarus project.

[Vhalkyrie]

Flammenpanzer wrote...

Tiberius Gracchus wrote...

mmdestiny wrote...

Has anyone else noticed that Kai Leng opens his final fight by punching the floor for seemingly no reason? Perhaps there is a reason. When you examine the ship workings that become exposed by his blow, they appear to be intertwined with Reaper tech. Do you think he's trying to expose Shep to this tech to further indoctrination?

I think most of his interactions in ME2 and ME3 with Cerberus and Reaper tech just **** you up haha.

I think Shepard is part-reaper....I mean, Kaiden does say 'Is the guy I followed still in there?' XD

I think the Reapers want to be what Shepard is.  Organic, but also synthetic (due to the parts Cerberus had to add when restoring Shepard).  Hence why the Reaper-child prefers the synergy option, saying that is the inevitable course of evolution.