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Was the ending a hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory


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MissMaster_2

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Vhalkyrie wrote...

Flammenpanzer wrote...

Tiberius Gracchus wrote...

mmdestiny wrote...

Has anyone else noticed that Kai Leng opens his final fight by punching the floor for seemingly no reason? Perhaps there is a reason. When you examine the ship workings that become exposed by his blow, they appear to be intertwined with Reaper tech. Do you think he's trying to expose Shep to this tech to further indoctrination?


I think most of his interactions in ME2 and ME3 with Cerberus and Reaper tech just **** you up haha.


I think Shepard is part-reaper....I mean, Kaiden does say 'Is the guy I followed still in there?' XD


I think the Reapers want to be what Shepard is.  Organic, but also synthetic (due to the parts Cerberus had to add when restoring Shepard).  Hence why the Reaper-child prefers the synergy option, saying that is the inevitable course of evolution.


Yes!

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MissMaster_2 wrote...

MJF JD wrote...

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@JessicaMerizan Been reading your tweets (for hope). Seems you like the green ending, but wouldn't that mean Saren was right all along?
Jessica Merizan ‏ @JessicaMerizan Close
@SwagAli how? Blue = Saran/TIM etc. Green = Singularity Red = ;)



....wait what!?



You know I think Im going to reinstall now...

#14278
MJF JD

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Jessica Merizan is right up there with Marauder Shields in my book

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MissMaster_2 wrote...

MJF JD wrote...

Swag Ali ‏ @SwagAli · Open
@JessicaMerizan Been reading your tweets (for hope). Seems you like the green ending, but wouldn't that mean Saren was right all along?
Jessica Merizan ‏ @JessicaMerizan Close
@SwagAli how? Blue = Saran/TIM etc. Green = Singularity Red = ;)



....wait what!?


Does that mean that the Indoctrination Theory is off the table? Why Singularity, that would mean the endigs ar cannon, wouldn't it?

I like this Marauder Shields stuff... It mad me laugh again Posted Image

Modifié par MysticBinary82, 16 mars 2012 - 01:59 .


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Flammenpanzer

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Jadolerr wrote...

MissMaster_2 wrote...

MJF JD wrote...

Swag Ali ‏ @SwagAli · Open
@JessicaMerizan Been reading your tweets (for hope). Seems you like the green ending, but wouldn't that mean Saren was right all along?
Jessica Merizan ‏ @JessicaMerizan Close
@SwagAli how? Blue = Saran/TIM etc. Green = Singularity Red = ;)



....wait what!?



You know I think Im going to reinstall now...


We killed Saren. We killed Harbinger's buddies (Thousands of reapers, each a nation...so we commited genocide)...just to do what Saren and Sovereign were going to do anyway XD Excellent :P

Edit: I kid, I know they were going to extinction. :whistle:

Modifié par Flammenpanzer, 16 mars 2012 - 01:59 .


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MJF JD

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MysticBinary82 wrote...

MissMaster_2 wrote...

MJF JD wrote...

Swag Ali ‏ @SwagAli · Open
@JessicaMerizan Been reading your tweets (for hope). Seems you like the green ending, but wouldn't that mean Saren was right all along?
Jessica Merizan ‏ @JessicaMerizan Close
@SwagAli how? Blue = Saran/TIM etc. Green = Singularity Red = ;)



....wait what!?


Does that mean that the Indoctrination Theory is off the table? Why Singularity, that would mean the endigs ar cannon, wouldn't it?


there might be some twist we havent foreseen involved here.  Either way it still looks good that there is more to the endings.

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Tiberius Gracchus

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Jadolerr wrote...

MissMaster_2 wrote...

MJF JD wrote...

Swag Ali ‏ @SwagAli · Open
@JessicaMerizan Been reading your tweets (for hope). Seems you like the green ending, but wouldn't that mean Saren was right all along?
Jessica Merizan ‏ @JessicaMerizan Close
@SwagAli how? Blue = Saran/TIM etc. Green = Singularity Red = ;)



....wait what!?



You know I think Im going to reinstall now...



was it just me or am I the only one who thought it would take more than one game to defeat a glactic invasion?

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MissMaster_2

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I think Merizan is trolling us.

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SomeoneStoleMyName wrote...

 It is also obvious why Bioware wont make a comment on this yet.
The whole twist would be pointless if people knew about it. The brilliance about the indoc is NOT KNOWING.

If Bioware came clean now saying indoc is the case it would ruin the surprise and experience for so many players.

Bioware is suffering hard right now (Worst. day. ever anyone?) but keep in mind:

BIOWARE IS SILENT FOR THE SAKE OF US FANS! 

They love us so much, suffering because we are mad. Suffering because they cant harm players not done yet with spoilers. Suffering, so much suffering :crying: /hugs bioware



I have 0 pity. They blew volcanic ash up our rears saying everything we did mattered.

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Amialis666

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Ellythe wrote...

SomeoneStoleMyName wrote...

 It is also obvious why Bioware wont make a comment on this yet.
The whole twist would be pointless if people knew about it. The brilliance about the indoc is NOT KNOWING.

If Bioware came clean now saying indoc is the case it would ruin the surprise and experience for so many players.

Bioware is suffering hard right now (Worst. day. ever anyone?) but keep in mind:

BIOWARE IS SILENT FOR THE SAKE OF US FANS! 

They love us so much, suffering because we are mad. Suffering because they cant harm players not done yet with spoilers. Suffering, so much suffering :crying: /hugs bioware



Yes but they're making ME suffer in the process.  Posted Image  Which I do not like.  I just want to know: am I going to get my true Mass Effect ending?  And when???



I agree!
The endings as they are taint the rest of series with a sour song.
If that is the end, than what good was my stopping sovereign, or the collectors. What is the point of my uniting the galaxy and putting together this giant army, if its going to die anyways... and not in defeat, but betrayal... shepard betrayal. Better the reapers had won.

How can I replay Mass effect 3, knowing what is at the end...

My favorite series is ruined at the moment. And only their saying it was a joke  or explainging the ending can set things right and allow me to continue playing.

I was going to buy the recent ME book that got released... but what is the point.

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"1. The endgame scenario is Indoctrination/Manipulation from the Reapers (Harbinger) trying to force you into choosing to let the Reapers live. Shepard is not awake during the final sceens!"

If that's the case, why would they even give Shepard the option to destroy the reapers? Why don't they just leave the bridge closed and force Shepard to chose the other 2 endings? It doesn't make any sense...

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97% of the trophies on ps3.....now the veteran trophy.
**** I need 2k more kills and I played through it twice & got my readiness to 100%

SIGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

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Flammenpanzer

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MJF JD wrote...

Jessica Merizan is right up there with Marauder Shields in my book


Marauder Shields tried to save me from that horrible ending. May he rest in peace.



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Gun with unlimited ammo?
Standing outside in space with no problem?

These types of things aren't just "bad ending" type things. These are clear violations of the laws of the physical reality followed in Mass Effect. If this isn't a dream, there is no reasonable explanation for these events.

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Amialis666 wrote...


I was going to buy the recent ME book that got released... but what is the point.





You don't want to do that anyways.  The book makes the ending look like a Dicken's piece.

Modifié par ArkkAngel007, 16 mars 2012 - 02:03 .


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MissMaster_2

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I really think we are on the right track with this remember in one of Jessica Merizan's tweets she said her self that she interpreted the ending as a hallucination as well.

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Flammenpanzer wrote...

MJF JD wrote...

Jessica Merizan is right up there with Marauder Shields in my book


Marauder Shields tried to save me from that horrible ending. May he rest in peace.



:lol::lol::lol:

Thanks for that!

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LavosOmega1880 wrote...

"1. The endgame scenario is Indoctrination/Manipulation from the Reapers (Harbinger) trying to force you into choosing to let the Reapers live. Shepard is not awake during the final sceens!"

If that's the case, why would they even give Shepard the option to destroy the reapers? Why don't they just leave the bridge closed and force Shepard to chose the other 2 endings? It doesn't make any sense...


in theory it's all in his head and by choosing red(destroy) You resist the indoctrination because your willpower is strong enough to keep you on your goal

Modifié par Golferguy758, 16 mars 2012 - 02:04 .


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mushoops86anjyl wrote...

Gun with unlimited ammo?
Standing outside in space with no problem?

These types of things aren't just "bad ending" type things. These are clear violations of the laws of the physical reality followed in Mass Effect. If this isn't a dream, there is no reasonable explanation for these events.


Cause Bioware space :wizard:

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LavosOmega1880 wrote...

"1. The endgame scenario is Indoctrination/Manipulation from the Reapers (Harbinger) trying to force you into choosing to let the Reapers live. Shepard is not awake during the final sceens!"

If that's the case, why would they even give Shepard the option to destroy the reapers? Why don't they just leave the bridge closed and force Shepard to chose the other 2 endings? It doesn't make any sense...


Wouldn't you find it odd if you were Shepard that your goal is not an option, even though it should be?

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Red has to be the real canon ending because it is the only one were Shepard lives.

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Keep holding that line!

Modifié par MissMaster_2, 16 mars 2012 - 02:05 .


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Strategy Guide page 323, turn upside down and read... Major spoilers about ending choices and how they are determined. There are a bunch of different options depending on whether you destroyed the collector base or not along with various levels of readiness that impact what happens. It doesn't say "effective" readiness either, just Readiness. And the only three choices mentioned are described as: destroy the reapers, become a reaper or synergy. In most of the upper readiness rating choices, it actually says "Earth is saved" as an outcome. Above 4000 and 5000 it says that Shepard lives as well.

It's a little confusing to read but it seems Earth is saved at higher readiness ratings even if you choose to become a reaper, which seems to be the control option people are referring to.

Anyway, it's an interesting read for anyone who has the strategy guide.

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LavosOmega1880 wrote...

"1. The endgame scenario is Indoctrination/Manipulation from the Reapers (Harbinger) trying to force you into choosing to let the Reapers live. Shepard is not awake during the final sceens!"

If that's the case, why would they even give Shepard the option to destroy the reapers? Why don't they just leave the bridge closed and force Shepard to chose the other 2 endings? It doesn't make any sense...


The choices are metaphoric.  Control/Synergy Shepard is accepting indoctrination.  Destroy Shepard is rejecting it.  The Reapers aren't actually destroyed by the choice, if Shepard is dreaming this.  It is trying to persuade Shepard to assimilate, so s/he doesn't wake up in the rubble and finishes kicking their butt.  They don't want to kill Shepard - they want him/her to join them.  Looking at the vids on the Cerberus base with an indoctrinated TIM, he refuses to order Shepard killed.  If he's taking orders from the Reapers, they want him/her alive.

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Chyliss wrote...

Strategy Guide page 323, turn upside down and read... Major spoilers about ending choices and how they are determined. There are a bunch of different options depending on whether you destroyed the collector base or not along with various levels of readiness that impact what happens. It doesn't say "effective" readiness either, just Readiness. And the only three choices mentioned are described as: destroy the reapers, become a reaper or synergy. In most of the upper readiness rating choices, it actually says "Earth is saved" as an outcome. Above 4000 and 5000 it says that Shepard lives as well.

It's a little confusing to read but it seems Earth is saved at higher readiness ratings even if you choose to become a reaper, which seems to be the control option people are referring to.

Anyway, it's an interesting read for anyone who has the strategy guide.


The game never shows you becoming a reaper...so maybe it was going to be an ending, but obviously not anymore :(

Becoming a reaper would require more harvesting of humans I think.

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MissMaster_2 wrote...

Red has to be the real canon ending because it is the only one were Shepard lives.

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Keep holding that line!


I agree.  The other two options are Shepard accepting indoctrination, and the Reapers will continue purging the universe.  Hackett and Anderson tell Shepard over and over that the only path to win is 'destroy'.