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[Rifneno]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Amialis666 wrote...


I was going to buy the recent ME book that got released... but what is the point.

You don't want to do that anyways.  The book makes the ending look like a Dicken's piece.

Amen.  I've only ever seen one piece of writing that made less sense than that.

[T_l_M_B_0]

I wouldn't put too much stock in whatever Marzapan is tweeting guys. She keeps saying herself that she is not a dev, I'd be willing to believe that she doesn't know any more than we do. Just responding for the sake of responding.

Elenterx wrote...

97% of the trophies on ps3.....now the veteran trophy.
**** I need 2k more kills and I played through it twice & got my readiness to 100%

SIGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Start a new game+ and play up until the Cannibals are introduced on Earth. The game will tell you to take cover. If you don't take cover, the Cannibals will infinitely spawn. If you have a damaging power such as Warp, Concussive Shot, Slam, etc... maxed out and play on casual, you can 1 hit kill anything with powers so you will never run out of ammo. And Casual ensure they won't do enough damage to kill you.

Just stay out of the cover and continue to wreck them with powers. You can get over 600 kills per hour here. Less fun than playing the game and getting kills, but MUCH faster.

[Kanon777]

Hmm, I liked the endings so this isnt the "denial" stage of grief talking, but this theory does make some sense

[ReD BaKen9]

Lets hope this is all true

[cubie_hole7]

Flammenpanzer wrote...

NotCras wrote...

cubie_hole7 wrote...

Not sure if this has been addressed, or is even an issue, but my installation doesn't match up with the data sizes on the installation discs or the recommended minimum disk space requirements.  I have completed a play through, so my installation is 'complete.'

Per the packaging, mininum disk space required for PC installation is 15GB, which sounds right, because disc one is about 7.81GB, and disc two is about 6.08GB.  However, my Mass Effect 3 folder size only measures about 10.5GB on my hard drive.  It also installed Origin, but that only measures about 116MB.  I also download Javik, which I don't remember the file size of that, but it wasn't that big.  My save folder is less than 700KB.  After installing, the two installation discs are not needed to play the game.

The quick math brings that to about 3.27GB worth of data that I can't account for.  I know installations/games sometimes are packaged with other software (like direct X, etc.), but 3.27GB is quite a bit.

Also, for reference, Mass Effect 2 had the same 15GB  free space requirement.  I have all dlc for that game, and it measures 23.5GB on my hard drive now.  The Shadow Broker dlc was the biggest single file, but was only about 1.5GB.

Has anything addressed this or is it much ado about nothing?

YES i was saying this before and no one was listening THIS IS BIG. This is one of the big reasons that I think Bioware is up to something.

Late last night me and some other guy went through this. There is 3gb of German/Italian/French audio files on the CDs that came with Mass Effect 3.

I see that now.  It accounts for a lot of it, but not all.  There are close to 3,800 files in that folder.  Not all of them are audio files.  There are four audio files for each file name, so you have English, German, Italian, French.  I just did a quick highlight of all the files, including the English ones.  The file size is about 3.1GB compressed (the 6.08GB is also a compressed measurement), and uncompressed, it's around the 3.2-3.3GB, but that still includes the English files.  A quick check has each individual audio file for the same dialogue being the same size, so, with a rough estimate, take away 75% of that 3.1GB as being other language files.  That still leaves around 0.78GB unaccounted for.  It's considerably less, but still a sizeable amount of data.

[LavosOmega1880]

Vhalkyrie wrote...

The choices are metaphoric.  Control/Synergy Shepard is accepting indoctrination.  Destroy Shepard is rejecting it.  The Reapers aren't actually destroyed by the choice, if Shepard is dreaming this.  It is trying to persuade Shepard to assimilate, so s/he doesn't wake up in the rubble and finishes kicking their butt.  They don't want to kill Shepard - they want him/her to join them.  Looking at the vids on the Cerberus base with an indoctrinated TIM, he refuses to order Shepard killed.  If he's taking orders from the Reapers, they want him/her alive.

Ok, I understand the theory - its a mental choice. What about the Mass relays and the normandy? Was Shepard draming about that too?

[Tailen]

Golferguy758 wrote...

Trust me guys, I've been onboard with this plan the whole time. I've even posted information that supports it.

But explain how Bioware could do anything about this. Clearly they like how open ended it is. They scripted it to cause speculation.

I wish I was wrong. I hope i'm wrong. I hope that they say that little stunt was also part of the plan, but the sheer probability says no. I want to be able to look back and say "I should have kept faith in Bioware" But all my hope is dwindling. I may be becoming indoctrinated, but at this point I'd rather be to get out of this despair hole.

I warned my friend after he beat it the first time to not bother. He was absolutely livid when I showed him the cinematic comparison. He has hope for the indoc theory, but he's in the same boat as me.

You have hope... more than you know.

How could they do anything about this?  By showing us it was all part of the plan, just like you said.

This isn't entirely directed at you, I just feel like sharing my perspective again and providing some amalgamated perspectives from this thread. 

As it stands, by definition we have an ending.  And as it appears, the inevitable question finally beckons to be answered:  who is crafting Shepard's story?  The player, or the writer?

Now you mentioned that they "like how open ended it is" and that it was "scripted to cause speculation".  On the first point, I would say you're correct.  On the second, I would say only half so.  (It's worth noting here that if you're referring to Mac Walters' notes about "Lots of speculation from everyone", I think that's simply referring to reactions in the meeting he's sitting in, taking notes... not necessarily their goal for the player's reaction.)

What they crafted was something to cause players to feel -- specifically, to feel what Shepard would be feeling.  The open-endedness is deliberate, because in order to get the desired impact they had to force pause on the player.  They had to allow time for reflection.

What I (we) believe to be Shepard facing indoctrination would have simply gone down as "that weird scene before the final battle" had they not forced us to examine it; to question it.  Just like Shepard would be doing.

I think it would have taken far longer -- years, maybe -- for the amount of evidence in this thread to have accumulated had the ending been presented as you're playing the first time.  For that matter, they likely wouldn't have taken the care they did to place so many clues and tiny details because they would have had to reveal it as an indoctrination attempt shortly after Shepard rises from the rubble.

Ultimately, what I'm trying to say is this: why are we forcing them into a box, when they're clearing trying to break out of it?  This is an innovation; an experiment in storytelling.  They have no reason to follow the norm, ending this like any other story.  They're subverting that expectation in order to deliver a brand new experience, and in this medium there's no reason they can't.

They can break the rules.  They can give us an "ending", and shortly after give us the rest of the story.  They simply couldn't have believeably indoctrinated Shepard (us) any other way.

I daresay this is a once-in-a-lifetime experience.  Future audiences may fall victim to similar devices, but this will be the precedent.  The privy future-gamer will know they're "pulling a BioWare".

Don't lose hope!  And, since I love this Casey Hudson quote and think it's great to read in retrospect, I'll share it in closing (emphasis added):

We end up exploring some spaces that maybe have never been done before. Because interactive storytelling is still kind of new, there are neat things to try. One of the things we’re trying in Mass Effect 3 is the idea that we can let you feel something that is part of that character’s experience versus strictly getting you to react to things that you see and experience. We’re trying to tell a little bit of the story Shepard would feel and seeing if the player feels that as well. You saw that on the Earth mission, and you see it throughout the game. It’s insight into how Shepard feels. I think that’s going to be one of the things people remember.

Modifié par Tailen, 16 mars 2012 - 02:25 .

[Debi-Tage]

So what would everyone here accept that Bioware can do?

1) Make a ME4 continuing Shepard's story (or finally ending it correctly)? Yeah, I know they said this is the end but they also said there was going to be no MP too.

2) Release a DLC/patch to resolve the end-game issues pointed out here?

3) Release multiple expansions/dlc to continue the fight if Shepard survived, perhaps going back to Palaven, Thessia, or heading to Omega, etc.?

I remember Casey being asked about people whose Shepard died in ME2 - how were they going to play ME3 and he was like "they can't - they have to start over" it would be the same principle for any continuing story for Shepard. Didn't pick destroy? No import for you = replayability and more people investing in MP so they can get the "perfect" nonending. Whatcha think?

[MissMaster_2]

LavosOmega1880 wrote...

Vhalkyrie wrote...

The choices are metaphoric.  Control/Synergy Shepard is accepting indoctrination.  Destroy Shepard is rejecting it.  The Reapers aren't actually destroyed by the choice, if Shepard is dreaming this.  It is trying to persuade Shepard to assimilate, so s/he doesn't wake up in the rubble and finishes kicking their butt.  They don't want to kill Shepard - they want him/her to join them.  Looking at the vids on the Cerberus base with an indoctrinated TIM, he refuses to order Shepard killed.  If he's taking orders from the Reapers, they want him/her alive.

Ok, I understand the theory - its a mental choice. What about the Mass relays and the normandy? Was Shepard draming about that too?

Well yeah. No mater what you pick StarChild tells you the relays will be destroyed so you dream it. Just like the Normandy it's you hopeing they got some where safe so you dream that up too to give you peace.

[Rifneno]

Interesting. I was just talking to that annoying collector and it gave me some speech when ranting about Legion. The bug said "there can only be one order in the universe: the perfection of the machines or the chaos of organics."

It was, of course, trying to get Shepard to turn on Legion so it was on the side of the "chaos of the organics" but... eerily reminiscent of Harbinger starchild's spiel. Thoughts?

[Jere85]

Do you guys realise how scary it is, if we actually have to give up our hopes... solid proof comes out that they will stick with this ending... im right there with you guys, clinging onto some form of theory that this is all a hoax, BW will laugh at us and say "just kidding fellas, here's the ending you all deserve".. And i will continue believing that the indoctrination or any theory is valid... since cmon... just cmon... This was no deserving end at all.

Thing is, if its a 10% chance that BW will stick to the ending, 50%, or 1%, its there, and for gods sake, i would simply dive down a full blown depression, and im no emo kid, i dont cry at funerals, i see myself as a normal average joe, but this would gut me completely if nothing would change... And i know you guys agree, you all cling onto these ideas with me for the same reason, you dont wanna feel there is an actualy possibility for this to be the real ending.

Not trying to make a point with this post, just saying im feeling you guys, and i wish i could give you all a big /grouphug. we all fking need one...

Modifié par Jere85, 16 mars 2012 - 02:25 .

[kent80082006]

From The Final Hours of Mass Effect 3 iPad App

Casey: 'Everyone is going to have a different ending to some degree based on their choices and their galactic readiness, so it was important for me to have one final scene where everyone has the exact same experience.'

If by same experience you mean pain and dissatisfaction

[MissMaster_2]

kent80082006 wrote...

From The Final Hours of Mass Effect 3 iPad App

Casey: 'Everyone is going to have a different ending to some degree based on their choices and their galactic readiness, so it was important for me to have one final scene where everyone has the exact same experience.'

If by same experience you mean pain and dissatisfaction

Ew. I know they are going to go back on this.

Keep holding the line.

Modifié par MissMaster_2, 16 mars 2012 - 02:27 .

[Tiberius Gracchus]

Any other question, if they base all of ME1 on indoctrination, why would they never have it effect Shepard? It only seems natural due to the extensive amount of talk in the whole series about it.

[Zix13]

Debi-Tage wrote...

So what would everyone here accept that Bioware can do?

1) Make a ME4 continuing Shepard's story (or finally ending it correctly)? Yeah, I know they said this is the end but they also said there was going to be no MP too.

2) Release a DLC/patch to resolve the end-game issues pointed out here?

3) Release multiple expansions/dlc to continue the fight if Shepard survived, perhaps going back to Palaven, Thessia, or heading to Omega, etc.?

I remember Casey being asked about people whose Shepard died in ME2 - how were they going to play ME3 and he was like "they can't - they have to start over" it would be the same principle for any continuing story for Shepard. Didn't pick destroy? No import for you = replayability and more people investing in MP so they can get the "perfect" nonending. Whatcha think?

DLC ending.
If free: may buy future bioware games, but only after reading reviews
If paid: won't buy future bioware games unless they come clean on how badly they f*cked up. 

Another game = No. Fine with DLC afterwards, as long as they give the series a conclusion first.

[Kanon777]

OMG

@JessicaMerizan i just remembered all of the rachni oily shadows dialogue. I am so paranoid right now!

Jessica Merizan ‏
@mike12324 perhaps for good reason?

[MJF JD]

i sent her this tweet and she answered. Had to be vague myself cause she wont answer direct stuff

mike123 ‏ @mike12324 · Open
@JessicaMerizan i just remembered all of the rachni oily shadows dialogue. I am so paranoid right now!
Jessica Merizan ‏ @JessicaMerizan Close
@mike12324 perhaps for good reason?

[AccidentallyAsian]

I dont know if anyone else has found this yet, but I think I sadly debunked the 1M1 reverse 1M1 when your walking up to get anderson...
Im playing on the 360 so I dont have pictures, but if you position shepard and behind it look on the wall side, its a mirror...seems to be a texture mistake...

[KujaTheDarkOne2]

Debi-Tage wrote...

So what would everyone here accept that Bioware can do?

1) Make a ME4 continuing Shepard's story (or finally ending it correctly)? Yeah, I know they said this is the end but they also said there was going to be no MP too.

2) Release a DLC/patch to resolve the end-game issues pointed out here?

3) Release multiple expansions/dlc to continue the fight if Shepard survived, perhaps going back to Palaven, Thessia, or heading to Omega, etc.?

I remember Casey being asked about people whose Shepard died in ME2 - how were they going to play ME3 and he was like "they can't - they have to start over" it would be the same principle for any continuing story for Shepard. Didn't pick destroy? No import for you = replayability and more people investing in MP so they can get the "perfect" nonending. Whatcha think?

I'm not a fan of an ME4 continuing Shepard's journey. ME3 really feels like it should be the end of it... A lot of major character and faction arcs got wrapped up (committing to your love interest, Liara's dad, the genophage, the Quarians and Geth, etc), so it really doesn't feel there's enough left to tell in Shepard's story to constitute a whole game.

DLC/patch is definitely my preferred option. Also preferrably free, 'cause WTF to having to pay for a proper ending, even though I'm sure I WOULD pay.

I don't think multiple expansions/dlc should continue the fight AFTER 'taking back Earth'. It really feels like Shepard should defeat the Reapers there and end it. DLC adding stuff like Omega and such that takes place BEFORE taking Earth? That'd be fine - if we get proper endings first, of course. I'm not sure I'd care enough to play DLC that took place before ME3's end if the endings aren't fixed/continued.

[Admiral-Hackett]

I'm finding more and more information about this and I'm inclined to believe it. I may actually have a chance.

Hackett out.

[snackynak]

ageofadrian wrote...

MissMaster_2 wrote...

Auresta wrote...

snackynak wrote...

http://imageshack.us...5/29419598.jpg/

Here. This was ripped from the collector base game assets file from ME2. It's ashley and kaiden!!! OMG! Lol, not really. Seriously... There are some thing that show indoctrination being plausable, and there are some things that are just looking too deep at developmental oversights/cutting corners.

bumping for importance.

Thank you! I wanted to see this. Okay so that is out I guess...

I really don't think this is out. 

Collectors had attacked the planet where ashley was and taken the forces she was with.  It stands to reason alot of people may have had the same armor?  Not sure on that point. But that is 1 body in a pile.


The body piles in the citadel are ALL that same body mesh.  All of them.  Until you get to the open air walkway.  

I mean every freakin one that I saw through two run throughs had the exact same armor and face (admitedly low res) .  Would they really put with that many bodies the exact same mesh over and over, that just happens to correspond exactly to the armor that your companion used to wear before she died because you had to make a choice and let her die and still regret it?

I may be looking into it a bit much, but I highly doubt this is a design oversight,  would be a pretty significant thing to not notice.

*sign* Here...
http://img710.images...01/64747475.jpg
This image here shows the corpses side by side. the ones on the grid are from ME3, the ones to the left are from ME2. Their geometry is the same, their UVs are the same. The only difference is the diffuse map, the one from ME3 has blood added. Thats it. There's 4 variations, the pink/white and the blue/black are female. The black/grey and blue/grey are male.
Heres the texture for the "pile" of bodies from ME3
img715.imageshack.us/img715/3026/93488135.jpg
it's the same armor as the corpse models.

Now, here's the million dollar question: Do the corpses change depending on who you let die in ME1? Because there's 4 total, but only 2 teammates.

[MissMaster_2]

tobito113 wrote...

OMG

@JessicaMerizan i just remembered all of the rachni oily shadows dialogue. I am so paranoid right now!

Jessica Merizan ‏
@mike12324 perhaps for good reason?

yessssss!

[MJF JD]

Michael DeRose ‏ @mcderose · Open
@JessicaMerizan ...i want to live so after Shepard wakes up from being knocked out, I can finish the game...lol
Jessica Merizan ‏ @JessicaMerizan Close
@mcderose then you want red

[KujaTheDarkOne2]

Rifneno wrote...

Interesting. I was just talking to that annoying collector and it gave me some speech when ranting about Legion. The bug said "there can only be one order in the universe: the perfection of the machines or the chaos of organics."

It was, of course, trying to get Shepard to turn on Legion so it was on the side of the "chaos of the organics" but... eerily reminiscent of Harbinger starchild's spiel. Thoughts?

Are you talking about Javik? 'Cause he's a Prothean, not a Collector. Do you really dislike him that much? :/

[MJF JD]

Andy Lumsden ‏ @Lummo · Open
@JessicaMerizan i want a dlc so that my male Shep and Kaidan will be able to live happily ever after and adopt kids! think its possible?
Jessica Merizan ‏ @JessicaMerizan Close
@Lummo you don't think that's possible based on any of the ending choices?