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JCQuiinn

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KujaTheDarkOne2 wrote...

Debi-Tage wrote...

So what would everyone here accept that Bioware can do?

1) Make a ME4 continuing Shepard's story (or finally ending it correctly)? Yeah, I know they said this is the end but they also said there was going to be no MP too.

2) Release a DLC/patch to resolve the end-game issues pointed out here?

3) Release multiple expansions/dlc to continue the fight if Shepard survived, perhaps going back to Palaven, Thessia, or heading to Omega, etc.?

I remember Casey being asked about people whose Shepard died in ME2 - how were they going to play ME3 and he was like "they can't - they have to start over" it would be the same principle for any continuing story for Shepard. Didn't pick destroy? No import for you = replayability and more people investing in MP so they can get the "perfect" nonending. Whatcha think?


I'm not a fan of an ME4 continuing Shepard's journey. ME3 really feels like it should be the end of it... A lot of major character and faction arcs got wrapped up (committing to your love interest, Liara's dad, the genophage, the Quarians and Geth, etc), so it really doesn't feel there's enough left to tell in Shepard's story to constitute a whole game.

DLC/patch is definitely my preferred option. Also preferrably free, 'cause WTF to having to pay for a proper ending, even though I'm sure I WOULD pay.

I don't think multiple expansions/dlc should continue the fight AFTER 'taking back Earth'. It really feels like Shepard should defeat the Reapers there and end it. DLC adding stuff like Omega and such that takes place BEFORE taking Earth? That'd be fine - if we get proper endings first, of course. I'm not sure I'd care enough to play DLC that took place before ME3's end if the endings aren't fixed/continued.


Liara's dad? I think you mean Miranda's.

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Tygur

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Swag Ali:
Been reading your tweets (for hope). Seems you like the green ending, but wouldn't that mean Saren was right all along?
Jessica Merizan:
how? Blue = Saran/TIM etc. Green = Singularity Red = ;)
Michael DeRose:
if i went Green the first time thru, should i play again and go red? #iwantthebestresults
Jessica Merizan:
@mcderose I guess it depends on what you want to achieve?
Michael DeRose:
...i want to live so after Shepard wakes up from being knocked out, I can finish the game...lol
JessicaMerizan:
@mcderose then you want red :)


This makes me smile a little.

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cubie_hole7 wrote...

Flammenpanzer wrote...

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cubie_hole7 wrote...

Not sure if this has been addressed, or is even an issue, but my installation doesn't match up with the data sizes on the installation discs or the recommended minimum disk space requirements.  I have completed a play through, so my installation is 'complete.'

Per the packaging, mininum disk space required for PC installation is 15GB, which sounds right, because disc one is about 7.81GB, and disc two is about 6.08GB.  However, my Mass Effect 3 folder size only measures about 10.5GB on my hard drive.  It also installed Origin, but that only measures about 116MB.  I also download Javik, which I don't remember the file size of that, but it wasn't that big.  My save folder is less than 700KB.  After installing, the two installation discs are not needed to play the game.

The quick math brings that to about 3.27GB worth of data that I can't account for.  I know installations/games sometimes are packaged with other software (like direct X, etc.), but 3.27GB is quite a bit.

Also, for reference, Mass Effect 2 had the same 15GB  free space requirement.  I have all dlc for that game, and it measures 23.5GB on my hard drive now.  The Shadow Broker dlc was the biggest single file, but was only about 1.5GB.

Has anything addressed this or is it much ado about nothing?


YES i was saying this before and no one was listening THIS IS BIG. This is one of the big reasons that I think Bioware is up to something.


Late last night me and some other guy went through this. There is 3gb of German/Italian/French audio files on the CDs that came with Mass Effect 3.


I see that now.  It accounts for a lot of it, but not all.  There are close to 3,800 files in that folder.  Not all of them are audio files.  There are four audio files for each file name, so you have English, German, Italian, French.  I just did a quick highlight of all the files, including the English ones.  The file size is about 3.1GB compressed (the 6.08GB is also a compressed measurement), and uncompressed, it's around the 3.2-3.3GB, but that still includes the English files.  A quick check has each individual audio file for the same dialogue being the same size, so, with a rough estimate, take away 75% of that 3.1GB as being other language files.  That still leaves around 0.78GB unaccounted for.  It's considerably less, but still a sizeable amount of data.


Did you account for the subtitles as well? Doubt it would take that much, as text takes up very little space as well.

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LavosOmega1880 wrote...

Vhalkyrie wrote...

The choices are metaphoric.  Control/Synergy Shepard is accepting indoctrination.  Destroy Shepard is rejecting it.  The Reapers aren't actually destroyed by the choice, if Shepard is dreaming this.  It is trying to persuade Shepard to assimilate, so s/he doesn't wake up in the rubble and finishes kicking their butt.  They don't want to kill Shepard - they want him/her to join them.  Looking at the vids on the Cerberus base with an indoctrinated TIM, he refuses to order Shepard killed.  If he's taking orders from the Reapers, they want him/her alive.


Ok, I understand the theory - its a mental choice. What about the Mass relays and the normandy? Was Shepard draming about that too? :huh:


I believe that Shepard dreamed the mass relays blowing up and the Normandy escaping someplace sunny and nice (Virmir, perhaps?)  Also, I took Kaidan and Garrus with me on the battle run, and they walked out of the Normandy.  That couldn't happen - they have to be either shredded or laying under debris with me (I hope).  The reason is because the codex about mass relays says that destroyed mass relays also destroys the star system it is in.  In all 3 cases, the mass relays are shown blowing up.  However, the destroy option (with enough readiness) shows Shepard waking up.  If the Sol mass relay blew up, then there would be no Earth.  If the mass relays really did blow up, there is no scenario where Shepard survives.

Modifié par Vhalkyrie, 16 mars 2012 - 02:36 .


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KujaTheDarkOne2 wrote...

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Interesting. I was just talking to that annoying collector and it gave me some speech when ranting about Legion. The bug said "there can only be one order in the universe: the perfection of the machines or the chaos of organics."

It was, of course, trying to get Shepard to turn on Legion so it was on the side of the "chaos of the organics" but... eerily reminiscent of Harbinger starchild's spiel. Thoughts?


Are you talking about Javik? 'Cause he's a Prothean, not a Collector. Do you really dislike him that much? :/


Yes.  I have little tolerance for bugs that talk that way about my geth BFF.  Triangle-headed freak.

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MJF JD wrote...

Michael DeRose ‏ @mcderose · Open
@JessicaMerizan ...i want to live so after Shepard wakes up from being knocked out, I can finish the game...lol
Jessica Merizan ‏ @JessicaMerizan Close
@mcderose then you want red :)


OH COME ON! Is Bioware seriously just screwing with us!?

#14332
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MJF JD wrote...

Andy Lumsden ‏ @Lummo · Open
@JessicaMerizan i want a dlc so that my male Shep and Kaidan will be able to live happily ever after and adopt kids! think its possible? ;)
Jessica Merizan ‏ @JessicaMerizan Close
@Lummo you don't think that's possible based on any of the ending choices?

 



AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! <3 <3 Pleasee!

#14333
KujaTheDarkOne2

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Jere85 wrote...

Do you guys realise how scary it is, if we actually have to give up our hopes... solid proof comes out that they will stick with this ending... im right there with you guys, clinging onto some form of theory that this is all a hoax, BW will laugh at us and say "just kidding fellas, here's the ending you all deserve".. And i will continue believing that the indoctrination or any theory is valid... since cmon... just cmon... This was no deserving end at all.

Thing is, if its a 10% chance that BW will stick to the ending, 50%, or 1%, its there, and for gods sake, i would simply dive down a full blown depression, and im no emo kid, i dont cry at funerals, i see myself as a normal average joe, but this would gut me completely if nothing would change... And i know you guys agree, you all cling onto these ideas with me for the same reason, you dont wanna feel there is an actualy possibility for this to be the real ending.

Not trying to make a point with this post, just saying im feeling you guys, and i wish i could give you all a big /grouphug. we all fking need one...


I mean, if they confirm that they're not adding more to the ending, then that's it. We have to accept it as is. But I can still believe it was Indoctrination, and that everything after Harby's beam wasn't actually happening. It's the only way for the following mess to make sense. But I certainly will be a bit depressed... The Indoctrination theory makes the current endings easier to swallow, but with no added endings, what happens to Shepard after she beats the Indoctrination (if you choose Destory) is left to the imagination, and that's not near as satisfying.

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inFam0us

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Sorry if this is a stupid question, but who is Jessica Merizan? =$

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MissMaster_2 wrote...

Well yeah. No mater what you pick StarChild tells you the relays will be destroyed so you dream it. Just like the Normandy it's you hopeing they got some where safe so you dream that up too to give you peace.


lol, For some reason that make me feel worse...

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inFam0us wrote...

MJF JD wrote...

Michael DeRose ‏ @mcderose · Open
@JessicaMerizan ...i want to live so after Shepard wakes up from being knocked out, I can finish the game...lol
Jessica Merizan ‏ @JessicaMerizan Close
@mcderose then you want red :)


OH COME ON! Is Bioware seriously just screwing with us!?


Yes.  Let's remember guys, BW's official guide already told us that Shepard only lives with destroy.

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inFam0us wrote...

MJF JD wrote...

Michael DeRose ‏ @mcderose · Open
@JessicaMerizan ...i want to live so after Shepard wakes up from being knocked out, I can finish the game...lol
Jessica Merizan ‏ @JessicaMerizan Close
@mcderose then you want red :)


OH COME ON! Is Bioware seriously just screwing with us!?


Thats mean.  Thats really really mean.  

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inFam0us wrote...

Sorry if this is a stupid question, but who is Jessica Merizan? =$


Community Manager at BioWare 

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inFam0us wrote...

Sorry if this is a stupid question, but who is Jessica Merizan? =$


one of the community managers for mass effect and dragon age

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User 1: The starchild or w/e did state it was the next stage of evolution.

@JessicaMerizan: it's how you look at the whole thing. After you finished, think the Reapers are good or bad? Or more complicated? Etc

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inFam0us

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Lets assemble the fan-base fleet and hit bioware right up their asses at edmonton headquarters?

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inFam0us wrote...

Sorry if this is a stupid question, but who is Jessica Merizan? =$


She works at BW but she is not a dev.,

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KujaTheDarkOne2

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JCQuiinn wrote...

KujaTheDarkOne2 wrote...

Debi-Tage wrote...

So what would everyone here accept that Bioware can do?

1) Make a ME4 continuing Shepard's story (or finally ending it correctly)? Yeah, I know they said this is the end but they also said there was going to be no MP too.

2) Release a DLC/patch to resolve the end-game issues pointed out here?

3) Release multiple expansions/dlc to continue the fight if Shepard survived, perhaps going back to Palaven, Thessia, or heading to Omega, etc.?

I remember Casey being asked about people whose Shepard died in ME2 - how were they going to play ME3 and he was like "they can't - they have to start over" it would be the same principle for any continuing story for Shepard. Didn't pick destroy? No import for you = replayability and more people investing in MP so they can get the "perfect" nonending. Whatcha think?


I'm not a fan of an ME4 continuing Shepard's journey. ME3 really feels like it should be the end of it... A lot of major character and faction arcs got wrapped up (committing to your love interest, Liara's dad, the genophage, the Quarians and Geth, etc), so it really doesn't feel there's enough left to tell in Shepard's story to constitute a whole game.

DLC/patch is definitely my preferred option. Also preferrably free, 'cause WTF to having to pay for a proper ending, even though I'm sure I WOULD pay.

I don't think multiple expansions/dlc should continue the fight AFTER 'taking back Earth'. It really feels like Shepard should defeat the Reapers there and end it. DLC adding stuff like Omega and such that takes place BEFORE taking Earth? That'd be fine - if we get proper endings first, of course. I'm not sure I'd care enough to play DLC that took place before ME3's end if the endings aren't fixed/continued.


Liara's dad? I think you mean Miranda's.


I actually meant Liara's. Though Miranda's was a bigger bit of closure, obviously. And I don't dislike Miranda... but I don't care about her near as much as my love, so I care more about getting confirmation on who Liara's dad is and getting them to chat.

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Jessica Merizan: I don't think anything you saw/read/heard today should make you sad about the endings. Some theories still hold true.


:)

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@JessicaMerizan Not doing anything TIM supported, don't like screwing up everyones DNA, or killing EDI and geth... Don't trust Reaper-Child!
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@akasheppy yeah, how do you know you can trust what he's saying to you?

OMG i think she will confirm or deny this theory soon

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Yes, I think the ending is definitely an illusion. Here are some of my thoughts, probably stated before, so sorry.

1. Anderson is for some reason completely uninjured even though your whole team just ran through Harbringer-laser-hell.

2. When TIM appears from nowhere it feels more like one of those inner-mind conflicts.

Anderson, as seen in the later cutscene while you are making your choice, represents the "destroy the reapers" option. Meanwhile, TIM is the absolute opposite of that-- becoming a reaper-esque entity and controlling them yourself.

3. Anderson, when he is shot because of TIM (because TIM controls you and forces you to shoot or just does it himself) seems to be the reaper's way of insinuating that the destroy-option must be made dead to you. YOU however, kill TIM (convince him to shoot himself or just shoot him and be done with it), your mind's way of saying you won't accept his ideals of control.

4. Control, Destroy and Synthesis are the possible outcomes. Synthesis, being the only one I haven't talked about, has already been presented to you way back in ME 1 through Saren. He is the perfect example of Reapers mixing with organics-- and we all know how that ends. Poorly.

So space-child lied and Synthesis is not a new option, a new solution. It was already proved false in ME 1.

In the end, I think it is all in your head and the Reapers are just trying to indoctrinate you.

I...don't really know what to make of the Normandy scene though.
This isn't really a complete or coherent presentation of my thoughts, but I just wanted to make them known. Hahaha

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she wont confirm of deny anything but i think we are getting closer to the point where bioware is going to talk to us. She is pretty loose with the hints tonight.

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Tygur wrote...

Jessica Merizan: I don't think anything you saw/read/heard today should make you sad about the endings. Some theories still hold true.


:)


Yessssssss! They are going to say something soon I think!

Modifié par MissMaster_2, 16 mars 2012 - 02:41 .


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Rifneno wrote...

KujaTheDarkOne2 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Interesting. I was just talking to that annoying collector and it gave me some speech when ranting about Legion. The bug said "there can only be one order in the universe: the perfection of the machines or the chaos of organics."

It was, of course, trying to get Shepard to turn on Legion so it was on the side of the "chaos of the organics" but... eerily reminiscent of Harbinger starchild's spiel. Thoughts?


Are you talking about Javik? 'Cause he's a Prothean, not a Collector. Do you really dislike him that much? :/


Yes.  I have little tolerance for bugs that talk that way about my geth BFF.  Triangle-headed freak.


Aw. He comes from a different time, and has a vastly different mindset. But I agree that he needed to lay off Legion. Legion is teh awesome.

I enjoy Javik for his typically contrary opinions. I almost never agree with him, but I find his points of view interesting, at least.

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This DOES sound like a confirmation of the indocrination theory, why would jessica even comment on the complaint with an answer like that if there wasnt something else going on...