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@JessicaMerizan In the form of potentially seeing how they pan out? If you can't answer that, that's fine. just curious.

@ReanKnopke @mcderose the answers are there if you are looking for them.

Modifié par tobito113, 16 mars 2012 - 02:42 .


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I have to applaud Jessica for what she is doing. I wish the rest of the staff would handle it the way she has.

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MissMaster_2 wrote...

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Jessica Merizan: I don't think anything you saw/read/heard today should make you sad about the endings. Some theories still hold true.


:)


Yessssssss! They are going to say something soon I think!


THIS IS IT.

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@mcderose don't take it completely at face value. There's definitely some underlying messages you should be taking away when credits roll.
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@ReanKnopke @mcderose the answers are there if you are looking for them.


Oh please, now shes just throwing it in our face. Go look at her tweets for the last 10 hours.

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lol ya shes really lettin them fly tonight. Im not even going to post any more of them unless they are really nuts. Everyone just follow her.

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Jessica Merizan ‏ @JessicaMerizan
@mcderose don't take it completely at face value. There's definitely some underlying messages you should be taking away when credits roll.


GOD DAMMIT

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LavosOmega1880 wrote...
Ok, I understand the theory - its a mental choice. What about the Mass relays and the normandy? Was Shepard draming about that too? :huh:


Yes.  It seems everything after Shephard got blasted by the laser was a dream.  Except for the epilogue with the grandpa and child; this can be either indoctrination or reality, because it is the only part that actually makes sense: a man is telling a story.  If we treat it as reality, doing so doesn't actually disprove anything of the theory.

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T_l_M_B_0 wrote...

I wouldn't put too much stock in whatever Marzapan is tweeting guys. She keeps saying herself that she is not a dev, I'd be willing to believe that she doesn't know any more than we do. Just responding for the sake of responding.

Elenterx wrote...

97% of the trophies on ps3.....now the veteran trophy.
**** I need 2k more kills and I played through it twice & got my readiness to 100%

SIGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Start a new game+ and play up until the Cannibals are introduced on Earth. The game will tell you to take cover. If you don't take cover, the Cannibals will infinitely spawn. If you have a damaging power such as Warp, Concussive Shot, Slam, etc... maxed out and play on casual, you can 1 hit kill anything with powers so you will never run out of ammo. And Casual ensure they won't do enough damage to kill you.

Just stay out of the cover and continue to wreck them with powers. You can get over 600 kills per hour here. Less fun than playing the game and getting kills, but MUCH faster.


Thank you sooo much 3-4 hours of that is better than 30 hours.

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KujaTheDarkOne2 wrote...

JCQuiinn wrote...

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So what would everyone here accept that Bioware can do?

1) Make a ME4 continuing Shepard's story (or finally ending it correctly)? Yeah, I know they said this is the end but they also said there was going to be no MP too.

2) Release a DLC/patch to resolve the end-game issues pointed out here?

3) Release multiple expansions/dlc to continue the fight if Shepard survived, perhaps going back to Palaven, Thessia, or heading to Omega, etc.?

I remember Casey being asked about people whose Shepard died in ME2 - how were they going to play ME3 and he was like "they can't - they have to start over" it would be the same principle for any continuing story for Shepard. Didn't pick destroy? No import for you = replayability and more people investing in MP so they can get the "perfect" nonending. Whatcha think?


I'm not a fan of an ME4 continuing Shepard's journey. ME3 really feels like it should be the end of it... A lot of major character and faction arcs got wrapped up (committing to your love interest, Liara's dad, the genophage, the Quarians and Geth, etc), so it really doesn't feel there's enough left to tell in Shepard's story to constitute a whole game.

DLC/patch is definitely my preferred option. Also preferrably free, 'cause WTF to having to pay for a proper ending, even though I'm sure I WOULD pay.

I don't think multiple expansions/dlc should continue the fight AFTER 'taking back Earth'. It really feels like Shepard should defeat the Reapers there and end it. DLC adding stuff like Omega and such that takes place BEFORE taking Earth? That'd be fine - if we get proper endings first, of course. I'm not sure I'd care enough to play DLC that took place before ME3's end if the endings aren't fixed/continued.


Liara's dad? I think you mean Miranda's.


I actually meant Liara's. Though Miranda's was a bigger bit of closure, obviously. And I don't dislike Miranda... but I don't care about her near as much as my love, so I care more about getting confirmation on who Liara's dad is and getting them to chat.


I must have misunderstood your post, my apologies. That, or I missed something on my playthroughs.

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Aeyl wrote...

I...don't really know what to make of the Normandy scene though.
This isn't really a complete or coherent presentation of my thoughts, but I just wanted to make them known. Hahaha


Isn't that shepard just imaging the ones he care about getting as far away as possible from danger and living a happy ending?

I agree with your other stuff. If I may add, I believe the reason the cruicible is able to fire, even though shepard never went to the station is that in fighting against harbringer shepard caused him to lose control of the station. Once harbringer lost control they were able to fire it. Which is a lot like how shepard killed husk saren in ME1, and sovreign got stunned. 
Anyone have thoughts on how plausible that sounds?

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Peer of the Empire wrote...

LavosOmega1880 wrote...
Ok, I understand the theory - its a mental choice. What about the Mass relays and the normandy? Was Shepard draming about that too? :huh:


Yes.  It seems everything after Shephard got blasted by the laser was a dream.  Except for the epilogue with the grandpa and child; this can be either indoctrination or reality, because it is the only part that actually makes sense: a man is telling a story.  If we treat it as reality, doing so doesn't actually disprove anything of the theory.


It is hinting about "one more story about the Shepard."   
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I'm not dead yet!

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@JessicaMerizan "Final Hours" seems to definitively state that the ending on the disc was planned and final. So long 

@MattDoyle33 how does that make indoctrination theory impossible???

HOLY ****

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tobito113 wrote...

@JessicaMerizan "Final Hours" seems to definitively state that the ending on the disc was planned and final. So long 

@MattDoyle33 how does that make indoctrination theory impossible???

HOLY ****


wowzers

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JCQuiinn wrote...

KujaTheDarkOne2 wrote...

JCQuiinn wrote...

KujaTheDarkOne2 wrote...

Debi-Tage wrote...

So what would everyone here accept that Bioware can do?

1) Make a ME4 continuing Shepard's story (or finally ending it correctly)? Yeah, I know they said this is the end but they also said there was going to be no MP too.

2) Release a DLC/patch to resolve the end-game issues pointed out here?

3) Release multiple expansions/dlc to continue the fight if Shepard survived, perhaps going back to Palaven, Thessia, or heading to Omega, etc.?

I remember Casey being asked about people whose Shepard died in ME2 - how were they going to play ME3 and he was like "they can't - they have to start over" it would be the same principle for any continuing story for Shepard. Didn't pick destroy? No import for you = replayability and more people investing in MP so they can get the "perfect" nonending. Whatcha think?


I'm not a fan of an ME4 continuing Shepard's journey. ME3 really feels like it should be the end of it... A lot of major character and faction arcs got wrapped up (committing to your love interest, Liara's dad, the genophage, the Quarians and Geth, etc), so it really doesn't feel there's enough left to tell in Shepard's story to constitute a whole game.

DLC/patch is definitely my preferred option. Also preferrably free, 'cause WTF to having to pay for a proper ending, even though I'm sure I WOULD pay.

I don't think multiple expansions/dlc should continue the fight AFTER 'taking back Earth'. It really feels like Shepard should defeat the Reapers there and end it. DLC adding stuff like Omega and such that takes place BEFORE taking Earth? That'd be fine - if we get proper endings first, of course. I'm not sure I'd care enough to play DLC that took place before ME3's end if the endings aren't fixed/continued.


Liara's dad? I think you mean Miranda's.


I actually meant Liara's. Though Miranda's was a bigger bit of closure, obviously. And I don't dislike Miranda... but I don't care about her near as much as my love, so I care more about getting confirmation on who Liara's dad is and getting them to chat.


I must have misunderstood your post, my apologies. That, or I missed something on my playthroughs.


Oh, no, it's fine. The resolution of the stuff between Miranda and her father was much more prominent, given it was part of a main mission and all. The stuff with Liara's dad was on the Citadel, and easily missable.

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tobito113 wrote...

@JessicaMerizan "Final Hours" seems to definitively state that the ending on the disc was planned and final. So long 

@MattDoyle33 how does that make indoctrination theory impossible???

HOLY ****


Yeah, I just read that one... <3 her right now.  Also, did someone post the one about today being the first in a "series of steps" to "break the silence"?  <3 that too...

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MJF JD wrote...

tobito113 wrote...

@JessicaMerizan "Final Hours" seems to definitively state that the ending on the disc was planned and final. So long 

@MattDoyle33 how does that make indoctrination theory impossible???

HOLY ****


wowzers


She just destroyed the argument that crushed  alot of peoples hopes for the Indocrination Theory

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tobito113 wrote...

@JessicaMerizan "Final Hours" seems to definitively state that the ending on the disc was planned and final. So long 

@MattDoyle33 how does that make indoctrination theory impossible???

HOLY ****


I don't understand why haters of this theory keep thinking it does. Thank you, Jessica! Sheesh.

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tobito113 wrote...

@JessicaMerizan "Final Hours" seems to definitively state that the ending on the disc was planned and final. So long 

@MattDoyle33 how does that make indoctrination theory impossible???

HOLY ****


This is horrible. I hate Jessica more than I would hate having to accept the ending if it turns out Indoctrination theory is false.
:D

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@JessicaMerizan had a blast with MP today,readiness went up at 100%,tried ending again saw something different with red now--


@Arztaak ;)

WTF

Modifié par tobito113, 16 mars 2012 - 03:07 .


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tobito113 wrote...

Jessica Merizan ‏ @JessicaMerizan
@mcderose don't take it completely at face value. There's definitely some underlying messages you should be taking away when credits roll.


GOD DAMMIT


She can say whatever she wants, I'm not paying attention to any of it. Give her a few hours and she'll be saying something contradictory (in a cryptic way...puleeze).  This game has messed with me enough for me to stake anything in something not coming straight from the devs.

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I don't see how them saying they cut out a section where shepard looses full control of his body due to indoctrination, rules out the "fighting indoctrination" theory at all.

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KujaTheDarkOne2 wrote...

JCQuiinn wrote...

KujaTheDarkOne2 wrote...

JCQuiinn wrote...

KujaTheDarkOne2 wrote...

Debi-Tage wrote...

So what would everyone here accept that Bioware can do?

1) Make a ME4 continuing Shepard's story (or finally ending it correctly)? Yeah, I know they said this is the end but they also said there was going to be no MP too.

2) Release a DLC/patch to resolve the end-game issues pointed out here?

3) Release multiple expansions/dlc to continue the fight if Shepard survived, perhaps going back to Palaven, Thessia, or heading to Omega, etc.?

I remember Casey being asked about people whose Shepard died in ME2 - how were they going to play ME3 and he was like "they can't - they have to start over" it would be the same principle for any continuing story for Shepard. Didn't pick destroy? No import for you = replayability and more people investing in MP so they can get the "perfect" nonending. Whatcha think?


I'm not a fan of an ME4 continuing Shepard's journey. ME3 really feels like it should be the end of it... A lot of major character and faction arcs got wrapped up (committing to your love interest, Liara's dad, the genophage, the Quarians and Geth, etc), so it really doesn't feel there's enough left to tell in Shepard's story to constitute a whole game.

DLC/patch is definitely my preferred option. Also preferrably free, 'cause WTF to having to pay for a proper ending, even though I'm sure I WOULD pay.

I don't think multiple expansions/dlc should continue the fight AFTER 'taking back Earth'. It really feels like Shepard should defeat the Reapers there and end it. DLC adding stuff like Omega and such that takes place BEFORE taking Earth? That'd be fine - if we get proper endings first, of course. I'm not sure I'd care enough to play DLC that took place before ME3's end if the endings aren't fixed/continued.


Liara's dad? I think you mean Miranda's.


I actually meant Liara's. Though Miranda's was a bigger bit of closure, obviously. And I don't dislike Miranda... but I don't care about her near as much as my love, so I care more about getting confirmation on who Liara's dad is and getting them to chat.


I must have misunderstood your post, my apologies. That, or I missed something on my playthroughs.


Oh, no, it's fine. The resolution of the stuff between Miranda and her father was much more prominent, given it was part of a main mission and all. The stuff with Liara's dad was on the Citadel, and easily missable.


Ah... well, time to reload my saves.

In other words, would someone care to look back in the logs of that last tweet? Was the person asking about Indoc. Theory prior to that or not?

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Matt Doyle: "Final Hours" seems to definitively state that the ending on the disc was planned and final. So long #indoctrinationtheory.
Jessica Merizan: how does that make indoctrination theory impossible???

How is that not a massive freaking giveaway?!

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Tailen wrote...

tobito113 wrote...

@JessicaMerizan "Final Hours" seems to definitively state that the ending on the disc was planned and final. So long 

@MattDoyle33 how does that make indoctrination theory impossible???

HOLY ****


Yeah, I just read that one... <3 her right now.  Also, did someone post the one about today being the first in a "series of steps" to "break the silence"?  <3 that too...


Yep that put a smile on my face!  Let em fly Jessica!

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Tailen wrote...

tobito113 wrote...

@JessicaMerizan "Final Hours" seems to definitively state that the ending on the disc was planned and final. So long 

@MattDoyle33 how does that make indoctrination theory impossible???

HOLY ****


Yeah, I just read that one... <3 her right now.  Also, did someone post the one about today being the first in a "series of steps" to "break the silence"?  <3 that too...


don't do this to me now, it's getting a little late even for semester breaks.