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[kyrieee]

At this point if they add post-ending DLC I believe it will only be as damage control.

If Jessica is being less vague about it now, it's because her boss told her to be, because her boss' boss is starting to get worried.

[KujaTheDarkOne2]

kent80082006 wrote...

I guess this proves it, the endings are genuinely bad

-

From the iPad app

Mac Walters on the Star Child/Reapers
"Originally, with the catalyst, the star child at the end of the game, I had written that much more in the guise of a investigative style conversation, where there is something he tells you but then, you get to ask a bunch of questions and you get your questions answered. But then me and Casey talked and decided, lets keep the conversation "High level". Give you the details that you need to know, but don't get into the stuff that you don't need to know. Like "How long have they been reaping?" You don't need to know the answers to the mass effect universe. So we intentionally left those out"

On Deciding the End of the Game
The illusive man boss fight had been scrapped... but there was still much debate. 'One night walters scribbled down some thought on various ways the game could end with the line "Lots of speculation for Everyone!" at the bottom of the page.'

In truth the final bits of dialogue were debated right up until the end of 2011. Martin sheen's voice-over session for the illusive man, originally scheduled for August, was delayed until mid-November so the writers would have more time to finesse the ending.

And even in November the gameplay team was still experimenting with an endgame sequence where players would suddenly lose control of Shepard's movement and fall under full reaper control. (This sequence was dropped because the gaemplay mechanic proved too troublesome to implement alongside dialogue choices).

-

Very well then, no aftermath, just intentionally left blanks, unintentionally bad
The theory will always be true in my heart

Someone's majorly behind on everything. Mayhaps go check Jessica Merizan's Twitter? Or just read the last two or three pages of this thread.

[ArkkAngel007]

KujaTheDarkOne2 wrote...

byne wrote...

@JessicaMerizan Certainly didn't make me trust reaperchild! Of course he'd say the decision to destroy them was the bad one!

@akashepard yeah he would - it would destroy him too!


Had... had we ever actually definitively established before this that the catalyst child was indeed Synthetic, and not some kind of energy being?

Because I dont think we had...

Woah. No, I don't think we had. It didn't really talk about itself, at least as far as what precisely it was. I certainly don't recall it saying it was synthetic. I mean, I guess it could have been inferred, when it refers to itself and the Reapers as 'we' at one point, but still...

However, that would make the starchild real then, and therefore everything actually happened.  

No, more than likely, that was an allusion that the starchild is representing a certain party in Shepard's mind who would not want their destruction.

Modifié par ArkkAngel007, 16 mars 2012 - 03:09 .

[Vhalkyrie]

snackynak wrote...

tobito113 wrote...

@JessicaMerizan It was renegade red, but that confused me. TIMs choice was definitely more "wicked", yet it was blue. Anderson isn't bad!

@akasheppy yeah that is weird................ did it make you think anything?

ITS OVER INDOCRINATION THEORY JUST WON

I might be able explain why destroy was red and control was blue. Go back to ME2, when talking with TIM, the paragon choices were usually in agreement or accommadating with TIMs plans. Whereas renegade options were more of the distrust/ **** you to TIM Then, when you go to destroy the collector base you are given 2 options, disable or destroy. If I remember correctly, destroying the base was the renagade option while disabling was paragon.
So it kind of makes sense to have the "destroy" option be renegade because it's the "finish the mission at all costs" option, where as the other two are more of the "appeasment/bridgebuilder" options.
Just my thoughts on that.

Destroying the collector base was the paragon option.  If you chose to save the Collector base, the only person that is happy is TIM - your entire crew balks (even Miranda).  You get to tell the Illusive man off at the end either as Paragon or Renegade.  The difference is the tone.  The message is the same either way - f' off, thanks for the ship, I'm outta here.

Modifié par Vhalkyrie, 16 mars 2012 - 03:10 .

[sjrskl]

tobito113 wrote...


@JessicaMerizan If only one of those implications wasn't that Tali was stranded on a mysterious planet w/o Shepard... 8

@Dr_Endless so choose red and go save her

am i hallucinating or did she just flat out confirm it ?

[byne]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

KujaTheDarkOne2 wrote...

byne wrote...

@JessicaMerizan Certainly didn't make me trust reaperchild! Of course he'd say the decision to destroy them was the bad one!

@akashepard yeah he would - it would destroy him too!


Had... had we ever actually definitively established before this that the catalyst child was indeed Synthetic, and not some kind of energy being?

Because I dont think we had...

Woah. No, I don't think we had. It didn't really talk about itself, at least as far as what precisely it was. I certainly don't recall it saying it was synthetic. I mean, I guess it could have been inferred, when it refers to itself and the Reapers as 'we' at one point, but still...

However, that would make the starchild real than, and therefore everything happened.  No, more than likely, that was an allusion that the starchild is representing a certain party in Shepard's mind who would not want their destruction.

Well, going by indoctrination theory, would not starchild basically represent Harbinger?

[Dae0]

my favorite:

Dr_Endless
@JessicaMerizan Oh the hypocrisy... Though Shepard's chance of survival had a lot to do with my decision. Idk what I'll chose this time.

Jessica Merizan ‏
@Dr_Endless yeah each decision comes with very different implications in the outcome

Dr_Endless
@JessicaMerizan If only one of those implications wasn't that Tali was stranded on a mysterious planet w/o Shepard... 8\\

Jessica Merizan
@Dr_Endless so choose red and go save her

[kent80082006]

KujaTheDarkOne2 wrote...

kent80082006 wrote...

I guess this proves it, the endings are genuinely bad

-

From the iPad app

Mac Walters on the Star Child/Reapers
"Originally, with the catalyst, the star child at the end of the game, I had written that much more in the guise of a investigative style conversation, where there is something he tells you but then, you get to ask a bunch of questions and you get your questions answered. But then me and Casey talked and decided, lets keep the conversation "High level". Give you the details that you need to know, but don't get into the stuff that you don't need to know. Like "How long have they been reaping?" You don't need to know the answers to the mass effect universe. So we intentionally left those out"

On Deciding the End of the Game
The illusive man boss fight had been scrapped... but there was still much debate. 'One night walters scribbled down some thought on various ways the game could end with the line "Lots of speculation for Everyone!" at the bottom of the page.'

In truth the final bits of dialogue were debated right up until the end of 2011. Martin sheen's voice-over session for the illusive man, originally scheduled for August, was delayed until mid-November so the writers would have more time to finesse the ending.

And even in November the gameplay team was still experimenting with an endgame sequence where players would suddenly lose control of Shepard's movement and fall under full reaper control. (This sequence was dropped because the gaemplay mechanic proved too troublesome to implement alongside dialogue choices).

-

Very well then, no aftermath, just intentionally left blanks, unintentionally bad
The theory will always be true in my heart

Someone's majorly behind on everything. Mayhaps go check Jessica Merizan's Twitter? Or just read the last two or three pages of this thread.

I just woke up, care to breif me on what happened?

[Tailen]

lex0r11 wrote...

KujaTheDarkOne2 wrote...

byne wrote...

@JessicaMerizan Certainly didn't make me trust reaperchild! Of course he'd say the decision to destroy them was the bad one!

@akashepard yeah he would - it would destroy him too!


Had... had we ever actually definitively established before this that the catalyst child was indeed Synthetic, and not some kind of energy being?

Because I dont think we had...

Woah. No, I don't think we had. It didn't really talk about itself, at least as far as what precisely it was. I certainly don't recall it saying it was synthetic. I mean, I guess it could have been inferred, when it refers to itself and the Reapers as 'we' at one point, but still...

he says 'we' but also says 'i' control the reapers.

By saying "I control the Reapers" he's implying that he has the power to offer that control to Shepard, which is necessary to convince Shep he/she can take that control (which, according to this theory, is an illusion anyway).

By saying 'we', he's leveraging his appearance as the child Shepard associates with Humanity in order to negatively associate their destruction.

... in my humble opinion 

[Rifneno]

Was there ever any doubt that starchild was synthetic? "Energy being" is just a fancy way of saying divine. To say I doubt that ME would go that direction is an understatement.

[mpgeist]

You know, the Indoctrination Theory may hold true, but the way Jessica phrases everything makes it sound like they really won't release anything to actually let us go get all the answers. She's evil.

[Kanon777]

sjrskl wrote...

tobito113 wrote...


@JessicaMerizan If only one of those implications wasn't that Tali was stranded on a mysterious planet w/o Shepard... 8

@Dr_Endless so choose red and go save her

am i hallucinating or did she just flat out confirm it ?

Maybe the reapers are indocrinating you

[Golferguy758]

sjrskl wrote...

tobito113 wrote...


@JessicaMerizan If only one of those implications wasn't that Tali was stranded on a mysterious planet w/o Shepard... 8

@Dr_Endless so choose red and go save her

am i hallucinating or did she just flat out confirm it ?

Negative. Justified by saying save her in yoru mind. open interpretation etc etc

[MissMaster_2]

tobito113 wrote...


@JessicaMerizan If only one of those implications wasn't that Tali was stranded on a mysterious planet w/o Shepard... 8

@Dr_Endless so choose red and go save her

DERRRRRRRRRRPPPPP!!

[theoldludwigvan]

I so desperately want all this to be true, and the evidence is there!!!

But...

I don't think Bioware actually did this. I don't think they would've put so much into a fake ending. It would be brilliant if they did. I would easily pay 30 bucks for another hour of gameplay with the hallucination sequence and a new set of endings. (It would be a rip off, but my ME story is very important to me).

All said, it was a GREAT game until the end, so you got to give Bioware some respect.

[Emperor_Ike]

sjrskl wrote...

tobito113 wrote...


@JessicaMerizan If only one of those implications wasn't that Tali was stranded on a mysterious planet w/o Shepard... 8

@Dr_Endless so choose red and go save her

am i hallucinating or did she just flat out confirm it ?

You're not. Unless she has mistakenly convinced herself (self-indoc? lol) that red is the only 'survival' ending, that pretty much does it, for me.

[ArkkAngel007]

kyrieee wrote...

At this point if they add post-ending DLC I believe it will only be as damage control.

If Jessica is being less vague about it now, it's because her boss told her to be, because her boss' boss is starting to get worried.

So...**** them if they beat around the bush...and **** them if they do their best to relay the concept without breaking NDA?

Yeah, that's a great way to go about it...

[Dice2624]

I know that I shouldn't be getting excited, but I am!

[MJF JD]

that was my tweet. We arent gettin a confirmation on dlc tonight.

mike123 ‏ @mike12324 · Open
@JessicaMerizan will the answers become more clear or are we left to figure it out from what we already have?
Jessica Merizan ‏ @JessicaMerizan Close
@mike12324 I really couldn't say - not a dev. For now, I think you have most of the info you need to interpret.

[HairyMadDog1010]

sjrskl wrote...

tobito113 wrote...


@JessicaMerizan If only one of those implications wasn't that Tali was stranded on a mysterious planet w/o Shepard... 8

@Dr_Endless so choose red and go save her

am i hallucinating or did she just flat out confirm it ?

That or the normady is just a short FTL ride away, both are good,

[JCQuiinn]

sjrskl wrote...

tobito113 wrote...


@JessicaMerizan If only one of those implications wasn't that Tali was stranded on a mysterious planet w/o Shepard... 8

@Dr_Endless so choose red and go save her

am i hallucinating or did she just flat out confirm it ?

Doubt it. She's made several tweets about how she thinks a certain ending is correct because that is how she sees it. Most likely she's telling the person to make up the rest of the ending.

[KujaTheDarkOne2]

byne wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

KujaTheDarkOne2 wrote...

byne wrote...

@JessicaMerizan Certainly didn't make me trust reaperchild! Of course he'd say the decision to destroy them was the bad one!

@akashepard yeah he would - it would destroy him too!


Had... had we ever actually definitively established before this that the catalyst child was indeed Synthetic, and not some kind of energy being?

Because I dont think we had...

Woah. No, I don't think we had. It didn't really talk about itself, at least as far as what precisely it was. I certainly don't recall it saying it was synthetic. I mean, I guess it could have been inferred, when it refers to itself and the Reapers as 'we' at one point, but still...

However, that would make the starchild real than, and therefore everything happened.  No, more than likely, that was an allusion that the starchild is representing a certain party in Shepard's mind who would not want their destruction.

Well, going by indoctrination theory, would not starchild basically represent Harbinger?

That's what I was thinking. So starchild being synthetic would basically just be a further clue that it's actually Harbinger, rather than some random and confusing energy being that's unexplainedly related to the Reapers.

[Fame-KIllz]

mpgeist wrote...

You know, the Indoctrination Theory may hold true, but the way Jessica phrases everything makes it sound like they really won't release anything to actually let us go get all the answers. She's evil.

This is how i feel. With each tweet it seems less and less likely any post ending dlc will be released.

It seems she's just encouraging fans to use their imagination or their own interpretation as the answers, rather than them actually providing you with any.

[Kanon777]

mayrabgood wrote...

So a few days ago a few member in the Kaidan thread were discussing what the Normandy crashing in a jungle, beachy, paradise looking planet could mean. They came to the conclusion that in Shepards mind as she/he is dying or being fully controlled, is that Shepard is putting the people she most cares about in a safe haven. The beach seems like a recurring theme in the game with characters mentioning it.

Mordin- saying he'll retire to the beach and study sea shells
Thane- prays to the Goddess of oceans and in his letter if romanced says...I will await you across the sea
Garrus- mentions a tropical place
James- mentions a bar in Rio or something like that
Jacob- talks about the Meditteranean
Kaidan- says something about owning or parents owning beachfront property
Tali- in Rannoch after joining Geth and Quarians, Shepard asks if she will shop for a new house and Tali says "Beach front property"

Don't know if other characters mention it that I have noticed.

So in Shepard's last moments she wishes and imagines all her friends safe in that beach, tropical place eveyone talked about.

*all these speculations came from the Kaidan thread especially from frylock23, so it didn't come from me*

But don't they make some sense to the Normandy crashing in this paradise planet with your LI and people you had fighting alongside you back on Earth?

Omg if this is true then ME3 is the best game i ever played in my enire life...