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[omgBAMF]

crimsontotem wrote...

hmm... I am right now playing that citadel run stuff again...

just one question... I am about to crawl to that beacon... I notice a tree right by me... strikingly similar to the trees in his dream sequence... was there a tree when Shepard was charging before Harbinger shot him?

AMG take a screenshot! Need to see this.

[lookingglassmind]

FLYING GRENADE11 wrote...

If bioware really made this and i ended up swearing up and down and embarrassing myself i have one thing to do.

HHAHAHAHAH YES.

OP, hilarious.

[Ultra Prism]

I believe it is as you get see the shepard grasping for breath after normandy cutscene in destroy ending...suggesting that he broke free of indoctrination

[comrade gando]

oh_saki wrote...

Neverwinter_Knight77 wrote...

Maybe Bioware's intention was to get us all talking and speculating about the ending. I hope not, because then they'd call this a success.

I actually just posted this a page ago but nobody acknowledged it and gave their thoughts, haha.

"So HERE'S a thought I just had. Maybe there is no post ending DLC. Maybe the writers of ME meant for us to figure out that Shep was dreaming, and the 'best ending' (Shep choosing destruction and then waking up in the rubble) is the 'canon' ending and truly the ending of Mass Effect. Maybe they wanted us to see that Shep wakes up and it was all just a dream, and then we can truly make our own 'choice' as to what happens to Shep next with our own wild imagination..."

pssshhh laaame, people write fan fictions for stuff like that. we need REAL closure to this amazing series. I still think bioware is up to something original here, dang actually making the player *feel* indoctrinated, whew gotta hand it to them baby.

[littleork]

lookingglassmind wrote...

oh_saki wrote...
 Maybe they wanted us to see that Shep wakes up and it was all just a dream, and then we can truly make our own 'choice' as to what happens to Shep next with our own wild imagination..."

Do agree, there.

They would still need to make it clear for every fan to be okay with it, now its not clear enough so people will still complain, i already made my own ending in my mind, my shep getting up as the sun rise as the first end credit song plays, she looks at the world free of reaper and start walking toward her team that are amazed that she is still alive

[AlexMBrennan]

Actually, to clarify: Shepard should have serious doubts about hallucinating events and/or being indoctrinated by Reapers at the end (having been convinced that not killing the Reapers is better moments after shooting TIM, who had also been convinced by Reapers that not killing Reapers is best).

Keep in mind that whilst Reapers can be very persuasive they aren't (initially, cf Grayson?) able to control the individual's physical action (that would have prevented the charm solution to the encounters with Saren and TIM). If indoctrinated, the Reapers would be able to make Shep think that control/merge is possible, desirable and preferable to destruction but unable to make him push the button.

However, you're wrong. The endings clearly prove that Guardian wasn't lying; all results end the war effort - which doesn't make Shep, in those endings, any less reckless or stupid.

Your fallback ("It was all a dream") is not falsifiable, so there's not much point in debating it.

Modifié par AlexMBrennan, 11 mars 2012 - 07:58 .

[BlackDragonBane]

crimsontotem wrote...

hmm... I am right now playing that citadel run stuff again...

just one question... I am about to crawl to that beacon... I notice a tree right by me... strikingly similar to the trees in his dream sequence... was there a tree when Shepard was charging before Harbinger shot him?

A tree? Wow, I don't even recall that but now I want to reload my game and see if its there.

[oh_saki]

MPSai wrote...

oh_saki wrote...

Neverwinter_Knight77 wrote...

Maybe Bioware's intention was to get us all talking and speculating about the ending. I hope not, because then they'd call this a success.

I actually just posted this a page ago but nobody acknowledged it and gave their thoughts, haha.

"So HERE'S a thought I just had. Maybe there is no post ending DLC. Maybe the writers of ME meant for us to figure out that Shep was dreaming, and the 'best ending' (Shep choosing destruction and then waking up in the rubble) is the 'canon' ending and truly the ending of Mass Effect. Maybe they wanted us to see that Shep wakes up and it was all just a dream, and then we can truly make our own 'choice' as to what happens to Shep next with our own wild imagination..."

That would still be a pretty big cop-out. 

Not saying it's a good ending, and I'm still hoping for a new DLC ending that all us ME fans DESERVE, but it still seems like at least a relatively logical ending that Bioware might do.

[krystalevenstar]

Regarding the tree; load up your Citadel autosave and when you wake up from Harbinger's laser, do a 180, as if going away from the beam, and you'll see the 2 trees (one small, one large) on the right.

[Ona Demonie]

Miss Vader wrote...

I am a little confused tho- how does the very ending- star gazer and child fit into this theory?

Remember when Liara comes to visit you regarding Time Capsules? It is possible that one of her time capsules landed on that snowy planet and people learned about "The Shepard" and what not.

[FLYING GRENADE11]

Miss Vader wrote...

I am a little confused tho- how does the very ending- star gazer and child fit into this theory?

the stargazer doesnt really disprove our theory the only reallyimportant aspect was the child asking for another story.

[lookingglassmind]

Ona Demonie wrote...

Remember when Liara comes to visit you regarding Time Capsules? It is possible that one of her time capsules landed on that snowy planet and people learned about "The Shepard" and what not.

Hey, interesting point

[Golferguy758]

To further blow some minds:

If you take too long making your choice the crucible is destroyed and you get a critical mission failure. But if you were on the crucible it would explode around you, but it doesn't. And that's because you are still on earth fighting your indoctrination. The actual crucible is destroyed before it can be activated.

Once again Joker: What the ****! Holy ****!

[Miss Vader]

Ona Demonie wrote...

Miss Vader wrote...

I am a little confused tho- how does the very ending- star gazer and child fit into this theory?

Remember when Liara comes to visit you regarding Time Capsules? It is possible that one of her time capsules landed on that snowy planet and people learned about "The Shepard" and what not.

ah kk, that makes sense- thanks for pointing that out

[Drake_1000]

oh_saki wrote...

MPSai wrote...

oh_saki wrote...

Neverwinter_Knight77 wrote...

Maybe Bioware's intention was to get us all talking and speculating about the ending. I hope not, because then they'd call this a success.

I actually just posted this a page ago but nobody acknowledged it and gave their thoughts, haha.

"So HERE'S a thought I just had. Maybe there is no post ending DLC. Maybe the writers of ME meant for us to figure out that Shep was dreaming, and the 'best ending' (Shep choosing destruction and then waking up in the rubble) is the 'canon' ending and truly the ending of Mass Effect. Maybe they wanted us to see that Shep wakes up and it was all just a dream, and then we can truly make our own 'choice' as to what happens to Shep next with our own wild imagination..."

That would still be a pretty big cop-out. 

Not saying it's a good ending, and I'm still hoping for a new DLC ending that all us ME fans DESERVE, but it still seems like at least a relatively logical ending that Bioware might do.

If now we have to figure the ending of a videogame by ourselve i think im going to my books. Its Bioware's job to do a good ending, not me.

[omgBAMF]

BlackDragonBane wrote...

crimsontotem wrote...

hmm... I am right now playing that citadel run stuff again...

just one question... I am about to crawl to that beacon... I notice a tree right by me... strikingly similar to the trees in his dream sequence... was there a tree when Shepard was charging before Harbinger shot him?

A tree? Wow, I don't even recall that but now I want to reload my game and see if its there.

Just watched a vid of it, and it isn't a tree.  It's a small bush or "tumbleweed" that does look very similar to the trees in his dreams.

edit-damn, now I need to load my save to look 180 behind me.

Modifié par omgBAMF, 11 mars 2012 - 08:01 .

[krystalevenstar]

Golferguy758 wrote...

To further blow some minds:

If you take too long making your choice the crucible is destroyed and you get a critical mission failure. But if you were on the crucible it would explode around you, but it doesn't. And that's because you are still on earth fighting your indoctrination. The actual crucible is destroyed before it can be activated.

Once again Joker: What the ****! Holy ****!

O.M.F. GOOD POINT. @.@

Anyhoo though, I'm headed to bed tonight but I'm so excited to check back on this thread in the morning, which is my birthday, maybe I'll get a birthday wish and Bioware will confirm this >_> Night all! Keep the ideas coming!!

Edit: There most certainly are trees, like I said, you have to turn around 180 degrees away from the beam like you were going back in the direction you originally came from.

Modifié par krystalevenstar, 11 mars 2012 - 08:02 .

[lookingglassmind]

Happy b-day!! I'm off to bed, too. Sleep well.

[BlackDragonBane]

omgBAMF wrote...

BlackDragonBane wrote...

crimsontotem wrote...

hmm... I am right now playing that citadel run stuff again...

just one question... I am about to crawl to that beacon... I notice a tree right by me... strikingly similar to the trees in his dream sequence... was there a tree when Shepard was charging before Harbinger shot him?

A tree? Wow, I don't even recall that but now I want to reload my game and see if its there.

Just watched a vid of it, and it isn't a tree.  It's a small bush or "tumbleweed" that does look very similar to the trees in his dreams.

edit-damn, now I need to load my save to look 180 behind me.

Darn, how disappointing. I may reload anyway and see if can spot anything I missed before hand.

[keginkc]

It would be hilarious if you wake up, but not in London. On Eden Prime. And the entire trilogy was the dream from the beacon.

[Auresta]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

Actually, to clarify: Shepard should have serious doubts about hallucinating events and/or being indoctrinated by Reapers at the end (having been convinced that not killing the Reapers is better moments after shooting TIM, who had also been convinced by Reapers that not killing Reapers is best).

Keep in mind that whilst Reapers can be very persuasive they aren't (initially, cf Grayson?) able to control the individual's physical action (that would have prevented the charm solution to the encounters with Saren and TIM). If indoctrinated, the Reapers would be able to make Shep think that control/merge is possible, desirable and preferable to destruction but unable to make him push the button.

However, you're wrong. The endings clearly prove that Guardian wasn't lying; all results end the war effort - which doesn't make Shep, in those endings, any less reckless or stupid.

Your fallback ("It was all a dream") is not falsifiable, so there's not much point in debating it.

Maybe I'm just tired, but what are you trying to say here near the end?

[omgBAMF]

keginkc wrote...

It would be hilarious if you wake up, but not in London. On Eden Prime. And the entire trilogy was the dream from the beacon.

LOL as if it was you that took the drone shot and not Jenkins. 

[Golferguy758]

Saying this again to further blow some minds:

If you take too long making your choice the crucible is destroyed and you get a critical mission failure. But if you were on the crucible it would explode around you, but it doesn't. And that's because you are still on earth fighting your indoctrination. The actual crucible is destroyed before it can be activated.

Once again Joker: What the ****! Holy ****!

[crimsontotem]

BlackDragonBane wrote...

omgBAMF wrote...

BlackDragonBane wrote...

crimsontotem wrote...

hmm... I am right now playing that citadel run stuff again...

just one question... I am about to crawl to that beacon... I notice a tree right by me... strikingly similar to the trees in his dream sequence... was there a tree when Shepard was charging before Harbinger shot him?

A tree? Wow, I don't even recall that but now I want to reload my game and see if its there.

Just watched a vid of it, and it isn't a tree.  It's a small bush or "tumbleweed" that does look very similar to the trees in his dreams.

edit-damn, now I need to load my save to look 180 behind me.

Darn, how disappointing. I may reload anyway and see if can spot anything I missed before hand.

look behind you when you just start that mission can't post a screenshot don't kno how but look behind

Modifié par crimsontotem, 11 mars 2012 - 08:06 .

[Lugaidster]

Golferguy758 wrote...

Saying this again to further blow some minds:

If you take too long making your choice the crucible is destroyed and you get a critical mission failure. But if you were on the crucible it would explode around you, but it doesn't. And that's because you are still on earth fighting your indoctrination. The actual crucible is destroyed before it can be activated.

Once again Joker: What the ****! Holy ****!

I'm not getting your point...