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This is getting depressing. Thinking about the fact that the ending might be indoctrination makes me really happy (They're holding some sort of update from us! There's a true conclusion!) and at the same time, keeps plunging me into despair (they intend to do nothing extra about the ending.)

Ugh.

#14477
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mayrabgood wrote...

So a few days ago a few member in the Kaidan thread were discussing what the Normandy crashing in a jungle, beachy, paradise looking planet could mean. They came to the conclusion that in Shepards mind as she/he is dying or being fully controlled, is that Shepard is putting the people she most cares about in a safe haven. The beach seems like a recurring theme in the game with characters mentioning it.

Mordin- saying he'll retire to the beach and study sea shells
Thane- prays to the Goddess of oceans and in his letter if romanced says...I will await you across the sea
Garrus- mentions a tropical place
James- mentions a bar in Rio or something like that
Jacob- talks about the Meditteranean
Kaidan- says something about owning or parents owning beachfront property
Tali- in Rannoch after joining Geth and Quarians, Shepard asks if she will shop for a new house and Tali says "Beach front property"

Don't know if other characters mention it that I have noticed.

So in Shepard's last moments she wishes and imagines all her friends safe in that beach, tropical place eveyone talked about.

*all these speculations came from the Kaidan thread especially from frylock23, so it didn't come from me*

But don't they make some sense to the Normandy crashing in this paradise planet with your LI and people you had fighting alongside you back on Earth?


This is actually pretty interesting. Also, at least with Synthesis, Joker and EDI look abnormally happy. They're not going to be happy that they crashed into a random planet, and have no idea what happened back on Earth, or the status of Shepard, or why the hell a big bolt of energy was chasing them.

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FLYING GRENADE11

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Vhalkyrie wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

tobito113 wrote...

Omg if this is true then ME3 is the best game i ever played in my enire life...


Welcome to the party.  There's punch on the table over there.


I brought the chips and salsa! :wizard:

Im grillin sum burgers!B)

#14479
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Of course they couldn't get to the Mass Relay. When you could actually access the Sol system in ME and ME2, it was right on the border of the system and too far away for the Normandy to get there THAT quick.

Still don't understand the idyllic/tropical world, though.

#14480
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 So Japan just go it today...give them time to complete it, say two weeks. Shepard's birthday is April 11. JUST SAYIN.
Also EDI's eye-thing changing color makes me think - I mean, we only see it in the green ending, but her glasses turn green...and they're red during the entire game...OBVIOUSLY SUBLIMINAL MESSAGES:P

#14481
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JCQuiinn wrote...

tobito113 wrote...

JCQuiinn wrote...

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tobito113 wrote...


@JessicaMerizan If only one of those implications wasn't that Tali was stranded on a mysterious planet w/o Shepard... 8

@Dr_Endless so choose red and go save her :)


am i hallucinating or did she just flat out confirm it :o ?


Doubt it. She's made several tweets about how she thinks a certain ending is correct because that is how she sees it. Most likely she's telling the person to make up the rest of the ending.


Actually she words her stament as if she believes only red is the good ending...


Yet in several other tweets she claims that she chose the color green twice. Either that's her favorite color or she connected some dots and found that was her favorite ending. Is this not an example of making our own closure ourselves? I mean, I personally hope this is true, but even if it isn't, I'll still be somewhat satisfied.


@[/s]JessicaMerizan[/b] I think red is my fave. Why oh why do we have to sacrifice the Geth & EDI though 
@[/s]CmdrOwenShepard[/b] Well, depending on what you think of the Guardian, maybe it wasn't being truthful?

Modifié par tobito113, 16 mars 2012 - 03:20 .


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 I thought I would feed the fire a little bit (hopefully she will reply). I got a chuckle out of this video and I though you all would too: 


@JessicaMerizan:  Just going to say right now that I am a part of the indoc. Theory. Please tell me patrick isn't right:


Also, I brought double chocolate cake to the party if anyone wants to partake before dinner! :wizard::devil:

Modifié par LadyVakarian, 16 mars 2012 - 03:21 .


#14483
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MJF JD wrote...

that was my tweet. We arent gettin a confirmation on dlc tonight.

mike123 ‏ @mike12324 · Open
@JessicaMerizan will the answers become more clear or are we left to figure it out from what we already have?
Jessica Merizan ‏ @JessicaMerizan Close
@mike12324 I really couldn't say - not a dev. For now, I think you have most of the info you need to interpret.


Yeah apparently most of you missed this.

#14484
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This reminds me to some old N64 game of which I forgot the name, that was some kind horror/thriller game in which you had random stuff happen while playing, such as the image would black out as if your TV had turned off, your screen would rotate, or a volume slider would appear turning itself down and when you reached for your remote you noticed it was really the game constantly trolling you, the player. :P

Modifié par Shallyah, 16 mars 2012 - 03:20 .


#14485
FLYING GRENADE11

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yay she replied to me @billy1996

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@JessicaMerizan @vrumpt Hasn't Shep earned being able to celebrate with his/her LI after saving the galaxy? Ignore the dieing part :P )
Jessica Merizan ‏ @JessicaMerizan Close
@3K__ @vrumpt LOL! OK I'll ignore that. Yes, and one ending choice allows for that possibility :)

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FLYING GRENADE11 wrote...

Vhalkyrie wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

tobito113 wrote...

Omg if this is true then ME3 is the best game i ever played in my enire life...


Welcome to the party.  There's punch on the table over there.


I brought the chips and salsa! :wizard:

Im grillin sum burgers!B)


Would you mind grilling a veggie burger for me while you're at it? :blush:

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Eh my inner cynic is coming out I view her tweets as damage control I don't know why I just do my hope has been crushed so many times I just can't believe it. Well thats my inner cynic talking. *Sigh*

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MissMaster_2 wrote...

MJF JD wrote...

Rean Knopke ‏ @ReanKnopke · Open
@JessicaMerizan @NicolaiAntonov Launched to a random planet via mass relay. no more mass relays = no ability to rapidly check systems (cont)
Jessica Merizan ‏ @JessicaMerizan Close
@ReanKnopke @NicolaiAntonov uh they did not go through a Mass Relay - the one in the sol system is WAY too far away!


AHHHHH


Wa wa wa!! I don't even....


Wait.  What?  That's...  impossible.  The nearest star system from us is a hell of a lot further than Charon.  So that means it's in our own solar system.  Except Earth is the only planet in our system that can support plant life like that.  And Earth is a moon short to be that planet.

#14490
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kent80082006 wrote...

KujaTheDarkOne2 wrote...

kent80082006 wrote...

I guess this proves it, the endings are genuinely bad

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From the iPad app

Mac Walters on the Star Child/Reapers
"Originally, with the catalyst, the star child at the end of the game, I had written that much more in the guise of a investigative style conversation, where there is something he tells you but then, you get to ask a bunch of questions and you get your questions answered. But then me and Casey talked and decided, lets keep the conversation "High level". Give you the details that you need to know, but don't get into the stuff that you don't need to know. Like "How long have they been reaping?" You don't need to know the answers to the mass effect universe. So we intentionally left those out"

On Deciding the End of the Game
The illusive man boss fight had been scrapped... but there was still much debate. 'One night walters scribbled down some thought on various ways the game could end with the line "Lots of speculation for Everyone!" at the bottom of the page.'

In truth the final bits of dialogue were debated right up until the end of 2011. Martin sheen's voice-over session for the illusive man, originally scheduled for August, was delayed until mid-November so the writers would have more time to finesse the ending.

And even in November the gameplay team was still experimenting with an endgame sequence where players would suddenly lose control of Shepard's movement and fall under full reaper control. (This sequence was dropped because the gaemplay mechanic proved too troublesome to implement alongside dialogue choices).

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Very well then, no aftermath, just intentionally left blanks, unintentionally bad
The theory will always be true in my heart


Someone's majorly behind on everything. Mayhaps go check Jessica Merizan's Twitter? Or just read the last two or three pages of this thread.


I just woke up, care to breif me on what happened?


Jessica has basically said that this app people keep quoting is not necessarily gospel truth, and also that what it says does not actually disprove the Indoctrination theory at all.


hence, she is not saying anything. Not trying to be a brat but we have all been down this road...pinning our hopes on inconsequential hyperbole


Oh yeah, I agree. People are getting a bit too worked up over her tweets. All she's really done here is say the Indoctrination theory is still valid. So hopefully some of the haters will shut up about the new app disproving it. But she's really just trying to leave all interpretations open to us, not confirm one or the other is correct.

#14491
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Don't listen to her, she's just telling you what you want to hear!

#14492
FLYING GRENADE11

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LadyofRivendell wrote...

FLYING GRENADE11 wrote...

Vhalkyrie wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

tobito113 wrote...

Omg if this is true then ME3 is the best game i ever played in my enire life...


Welcome to the party.  There's punch on the table over there.


I brought the chips and salsa! :wizard:

Im grillin sum burgers!B)


Would you mind grilling a veggie burger for me while you're at it? :blush:

BURGERS 4 EVERYONE! so yeah:D

#14493
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FLYING GRENADE11 wrote...

Vhalkyrie wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

tobito113 wrote...

Omg if this is true then ME3 is the best game i ever played in my enire life...


Welcome to the party.  There's punch on the table over there.


I brought the chips and salsa! :wizard:

Im grillin sum burgers!B)

Hotdogs anyone?^_^

#14494
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MissMaster_2 wrote...

mayrabgood wrote...

So a few days ago a few member in the Kaidan thread were discussing what the Normandy crashing in a jungle, beachy, paradise looking planet could mean. They came to the conclusion that in Shepards mind as she/he is dying or being fully controlled, is that Shepard is putting the people she most cares about in a safe haven. The beach seems like a recurring theme in the game with characters mentioning it.

Mordin- saying he'll retire to the beach and study sea shells
Thane- prays to the Goddess of oceans and in his letter if romanced says...I will await you across the sea
Garrus- mentions a tropical place
James- mentions a bar in Rio or something like that
Jacob- talks about the Meditteranean
Kaidan- says something about owning or parents owning beachfront property
Tali- in Rannoch after joining Geth and Quarians, Shepard asks if she will shop for a new house and Tali says "Beach front property"

Don't know if other characters mention it that I have noticed.

So in Shepard's last moments she wishes and imagines all her friends safe in that beach, tropical place eveyone talked about.

*all these speculations came from the Kaidan thread especially from frylock23, so it didn't come from me*

But don't they make some sense to the Normandy crashing in this paradise planet with your LI and people you had fighting alongside you back on Earth?


You are soooo right!!


Interesting.....but I won't read into too much. Not yet at least.

#14495
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mpgeist wrote...

Don't listen to her, she's just telling you what you want to hear!


We are being indocrinated!!!!

#14496
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https://twitter.com/#!/jessicamerizan

"Well, depending on what you think of the Guardian, maybe it wasn't being truthful?"

OK, they've made direct comments that could be explained away by "oh well the ending has deep consequences in an artistic way, that's what I meant." This is the first time the Guardian is explicitly called out. Wow.

#14497
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PlumPaul82393 wrote...

MJF JD wrote...

that was my tweet. We arent gettin a confirmation on dlc tonight.

mike123 ‏ @mike12324 · Open
@JessicaMerizan will the answers become more clear or are we left to figure it out from what we already have?
Jessica Merizan ‏ @JessicaMerizan Close
@mike12324 I really couldn't say - not a dev. For now, I think you have most of the info you need to interpret.


Yeah apparently most of you missed this.


Dude, we know. You can leave, she still works at BW.

#14498
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I've seen Jessica Merizan post several replies along the lines of "and where is shephard?" in response to ending questions, especially when the LI is involved.

What if Shephard never made it into the beam, but was injured and evac'ed to the normandy, which in turn flees to try and sever Harbinger's hold on shephard?

#14499
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mpgeist wrote...

Don't listen to her, she's just telling you what you want to hear!


quick tell me what colour are my eyes now !

#14500
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GoldenSkans9 wrote...

User 1: It's easy to fall into the negativity. You are the only reason I haven't. By the way how powerful is harby's indoc range?

@JessicaMerizan: I don't believe that is discussed explicitly in-game. Shep's had a lot of exposure to Reaper tech in the past 3 games though :/

That was mine!