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Debi-Tage

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byne wrote...

MintyCool wrote...

Do you people ever stop speaking in circles? Almost 2k posts with no
articulate plan of action. You want your message to get across?

Do somthing like this, www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/15/obama-campaign-documentary-release_n_1350070.html

Detailed, eloquent, and almost makes me want to become a liberal.


>Obama
>Liberal

Do you ever turn off Fox News?


But I love Faux News!! :devil:

Sorry...i digress.

#14552
JCQuiinn

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MissMaster_2 wrote...

JCQuiinn wrote...

Also please, for the love of all that is holy (Figure of speech), keep the religious and political debate out of here, please.

? who's talking about God?


Because whenever someone begins to discuss politics religion always comes up, and vice versa. Call it a preemptive strike.

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Has anyone paid any attention to where Casey (or whoever) said that they were planning to have you fall fully under Reaper control at the end, but it was to awkward gameplay-wise? So what would be the next step down from full control of the player?

Indoctrination.

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Rifneno wrote...

MissMaster_2 wrote...

JCQuiinn wrote...

Also please, for the love of all that is holy (Figure of speech), keep the religious and political debate out of here, please.

? who's talking about God?


This thread has me talking about God all the time.  Of course, it's usually part of a compound word.


I see what you did there.

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Have you guys found any tweets from the person who delivered the devs coffee?

#14556
Golferguy758

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Golferguy758 wrote...

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While I'm glad a couple of my twitter questions broght you guys hope, just be careful about reading into them.

The only thing and I'll bold this to make it clear. Final Hours is a cool look at the dev process and documenting that journey but not the authority on the story/what is canon


Reposting this because this is the only factual thing you shoudl take out from the tweets.

BTW I'm that ReanKnopke. is it my actual name? Maybe.


Reposting because it's that important

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Debi-Tage

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kyg_20X6 wrote...

Has anyone paid any attention to where Casey (or whoever) said that they were planning to have you fall fully under Reaper control at the end, but it was to awkward gameplay-wise? So what would be the next step down from full control of the player?

Indoctrination.


Where is that from?

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vrumpt wrote...

BACK ON TOPIC NOW!

So Jessica Merizan, best troll ever? Theres only so much I can take away as legit info.


Wouldn't back on topic mean the Indoctrination theories, not Jessica?

:whistle:

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Just leaving this here...

https://twitter.com/...497612372316160

...Wut?

Modifié par SirCroft, 16 mars 2012 - 03:39 .


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And there it is! She just linked to this thread! :)

#14561
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MissMaster_2 wrote...

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@JessicaMerizan "Final Hours" seems to definitively state that the ending on the disc was planned and final. So long 

@MattDoyle33 how does that make indoctrination theory impossible???

HOLY ****




:o

She's refering to the ending being vauge and YOU making up the rest. 

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PlumPaul82393 wrote...

Have you guys found any tweets from the person who delivered the devs coffee?


I was going to come up with something witty to say to you but I just laughed at you trying. :wizard:

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JCQuiinn

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kyg_20X6 wrote...

Has anyone paid any attention to where Casey (or whoever) said that they were planning to have you fall fully under Reaper control at the end, but it was to awkward gameplay-wise? So what would be the next step down from full control of the player?

Indoctrination.


This has been brought up several times. I recommend someone PM the info to byne.

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KujaTheDarkOne2

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kyg_20X6 wrote...

Has anyone paid any attention to where Casey (or whoever) said that they were planning to have you fall fully under Reaper control at the end, but it was to awkward gameplay-wise? So what would be the next step down from full control of the player?

Indoctrination.


This has already been pointed out, but is a good thing to pull up to refute those who claim that app disproves the Indoctrination theory. Also this info was from that app, not said directly by Casey, I believe.

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LOL one of her tweets actually linked to this thread saying we are doing a good job of explaining it.

#14566
Debi-Tage

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PlumPaul82393 wrote...

Have you guys found any tweets from the person who delivered the devs coffee?


hahaha!!!! :lol:

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Debi-Tage wrote...

kyg_20X6 wrote...

Has anyone paid any attention to where Casey (or whoever) said that they were planning to have you fall fully under Reaper control at the end, but it was to awkward gameplay-wise? So what would be the next step down from full control of the player?

Indoctrination.


Where is that from?


Link? I don't remember reading or hearing about this.

#14568
Gamingtrek12025

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@JessicaMerizan The Guardian's logic sounds like BS to me, can you clarify plz?
Jessica Merizan Jessica Merizan ‏ @JessicaMerizan

@PaceBreaker23 people on the forums are doing it FAR better than I ever could have: http://social.biowar...-9727423-1.html



:wizard:

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Jessica Merizan: @CmdrOwenShepard Well, depending on what you think of the Guardian, maybe it wasn't being truthful?


This is why I am now coming around to believing this is one of the best game endings I've ever seen. We come all the way to the end, thinking we're going to get closure. We find some kind of child figure that presents itself as all powerful and all knowing, a god-figure perhaps? And it lies to us. Most RPGers are used to the final showdown revealing the truth. ME3 instead conceals the truth with a figure that deceives us. In order to believe the Reaper child is truthful, we have to believe that Anderson is wrong, and TIM is right.

No.  It's a lie.  The child is a Reaper, and everything it says is a lie.  It is not the catalyst.

Modifié par Vhalkyrie, 16 mars 2012 - 03:40 .


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JCQuiinn

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Debi-Tage wrote...

kyg_20X6 wrote...

Has anyone paid any attention to where Casey (or whoever) said that they were planning to have you fall fully under Reaper control at the end, but it was to awkward gameplay-wise? So what would be the next step down from full control of the player?

Indoctrination.


Where is that from?


It's from the Final Hours Documentary. Of course, this means it should be taken with a grain of salt. He is however, talking about gameplay side issues, which means that they were contemplating Shephard being indoctrinated. Could be useful.

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Debi-Tage wrote...

redBadger14 wrote...

Debi-Tage wrote...

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@JessicaMerizan @vrumpt Hasn't Shep earned being able to celebrate with his/her LI after saving the galaxy? Ignore the dieing part :P )
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@3K__ @vrumpt LOL! OK I'll ignore that. Yes, and one ending choice allows for that possibility :)


Yeah - because one ending choice allows for you to be alive to do so..."now fill in the blanks with your imagination" is basically what she is saying, she is screwing with you. <_<

Obviously, but I like to be cautiously optimistic ;)


I can appreciate that! :)

Here here! B)

Also, person with political nonsense, reported for spam! Buh bye!

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MintyCool wrote...

Do you people ever stop speaking in circles? Almost 600 posts with no
articulate plan of action. You want your message to get across?

Do somthing like this, www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/15/obama-campaign-documentary-release_n_1350070.html

Detailed, eloquent, and almost makes me want to become a liberal.


Cause? What cause? This is a theory behind the meaning of the ending of the game, not a way to drum up support/petition for a "fixed" game.

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Gamingtrek12025 wrote...


@JessicaMerizan The Guardian's logic sounds like BS to me, can you clarify plz?
Jessica Merizan Jessica Merizan ‏ @JessicaMerizan

@PaceBreaker23 people on the forums are doing it FAR better than I ever could have: http://social.biowar...-9727423-1.html



:wizard:


:o

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Debi-Tage wrote...

kyg_20X6 wrote...

Has anyone paid any attention to where Casey (or whoever) said that they were planning to have you fall fully under Reaper control at the end, but it was to awkward gameplay-wise? So what would be the next step down from full control of the player?

Indoctrination.


Where is that from?


From the Final Hours thread OP:

On Deciding the End of the Game

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And even in November the gameplay team was
still experimenting with an endgame sequence where players would
suddenly lose control of Shepard's movement and fall under full reaper
control. (This sequence was dropped because the gaemplay mechanic proved
too troublesome to implement alongside dialogue choices).

Modifié par kyg_20X6, 16 mars 2012 - 03:40 .


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JCQuiinn wrote...

Debi-Tage wrote...

kyg_20X6 wrote...

Has anyone paid any attention to where Casey (or whoever) said that they were planning to have you fall fully under Reaper control at the end, but it was to awkward gameplay-wise? So what would be the next step down from full control of the player?

Indoctrination.


Where is that from?


It's from the Final Hours Documentary. Of course, this means it should be taken with a grain of salt. He is however, talking about gameplay side issues, which means that they were contemplating Shephard being indoctrinated. Could be useful.


"And even in November the gameplay team was still experimenting with an
endgame sequence where players would suddenly lose control of Shepard's
movement and fall under full reaper control. (This sequence was dropped
because the gaemplay mechanic proved too troublesome to implement
alongside dialogue choices). "

Oops too late

Modifié par kent80082006, 16 mars 2012 - 03:41 .