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I think we are waiting for PAX. So hold the line but chill out a bit. Pretty sure if there was something important to announce, they would do it then.

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I hate to say this. But I have been playing ME2, god I love that game. And I am doing a soldier - renegade run. And well when you get your Renegade score high enough... Your eyes do start to look like the Illusive Man's.

And well if he is indoctrinated because of his contact with the Reapers in the First Contact War, as well as having implants. And from the novels we learn that Grayson was implanted with Reaper tech, supposedly similar to whats in Shepard (I believe?).

Well maybe you guys are onto something...

Does this make me a hypocrite?

Modifié par Lost Cipher, 16 mars 2012 - 03:54 .


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Rifneno wrote...

thePredator50 wrote...

It's obvious Jessica WANTS to talk about this, but she's under embargo...


Gah.  Finally somebody gets it.


We've noticed this before. Of course, it's good sales practice to drop teasers and hints. WIthout them many many more people would be angry and Bioware. This is a good way to defuse the anger until they announce if DLC shall be following or not. It also gives us a few nudges in the direction that there may be that DLC we all hope for, and keep people interested. (Gah, It's late, and the english language is the first thing to go out the window.)

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Warhawk7137 wrote...

KILLER SQUIDZ wrote...

Debi-Tage wrote...

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

Have you guys found any tweets from the person who delivered the devs coffee?


hahaha!!!! :lol:

What is her job at Bioware anyway?


Keeping the natives from burning down the compound.


I have no idea who she is or isn't. I'm sure she's a great person. But I
won't stake anything on what she says anymore than I would what I read
online by commentators spin-doctoring. She is not a primary source. Not
trying to be rude.

Modifié par Debi-Tage, 16 mars 2012 - 03:56 .


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Of course everyone at bio is. Thing is, it works both ways
They can't say if something is getting released or if it isn't.

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savionen wrote...

vrumpt wrote...

thePredator50 wrote...

It's obvious Jessica WANTS to talk about this, but she's under embargo... Also, it seems no one noticed:


"The Truth" has already been debunked.  @masseffect said they would never name anything that.


The Truth is such a poor name, but Genesis and Arrival are brilliant, right? There's also such things as temporary names. The name of a project often isn't the same going in as coming out. Otherwise you'd have racing games called "Racing Game"


Just to let everyone know....The Mass Effect twitter is just a bot. So it isn't exactly trustworthy as a source

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Ona Demonie wrote...

vrumpt wrote...

thePredator50 wrote...

It's obvious Jessica WANTS to talk about this, but she's under embargo... Also, it seems no one noticed:


"The Truth" has already been debunked.  @masseffect said they would never name anything that.

Yeah. It would need a snazzier title. Something like "Multiplayer Pack DLC".


Harsh. I would say EA isn't stupid enough to release a multiplayer dlc with the community demanding blood...... but they did release the conclusion of the mass effect trilogy without the conclusion bit.... so who knows.

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People4Peace wrote...Really?

So she lacks perspective on the issue? I don't care if you dislike her or what she is trying to do but insulting her isn't the way to go.

As I said earlier, discussion about the Indoc. theory is the purpose of the thread. And I wouldn't do anything that could bring the ban hammer down....





I wasn't insulting her, just noting the desperation to find any sort of news to prove this theory, even if it's not from someone who would really know.

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JCQuiinn wrote...

People4Peace wrote...

JCQuiinn wrote...

People4Peace wrote...

Debi-Tage wrote...

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

Have you guys found any tweets from the person who delivered the devs coffee?


hahaha!!!! :lol:


<_< Really?

So she lacks perspective on the issue? I don't care if you dislike her or what she is trying to do but insulting her isn't the way to go.

As I said earlier, discussion about the Indoc. theory is the purpose of the thread. And I wouldn't do anything that could bring the ban hammer down....




You'd be surprised about what they might hear. Besides, the Bioware team is fairly small, it would make sense if all departments helped contribute to areas outside of their expertise. Sometimes you need a fresh mind.


Which is why I am not discounting her nor insulting her.....


More of a response to the other guys not you. Sorry if that came across wrong, my apologies.


Of course :D And I completely agree with your input. Certainly she has more insight than any of us. Even then, her favorite ending for HER Shep/story is exactly that, hers. All of us can agree or disagree. So yeah, I have some hope for now.

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Lost Cipher wrote...

I hate to say this. But I have been playing ME2, god I love that game. And I am doing a soldier - renegade run. And well when you get your Renegade score high enough... Your eyes do start to look like the Illusive Man's.

And well if he is indoctrinated because of his contact with the Reapers in the First Contact War, as well as having implants. And from the novels we learn that Grayson was implanted with Reaper tech, supposedly similar to whats in Shepard (I believe?).

Well maybe you guys are onto something...

Does this make me a hypocrite?


His eyes turn red I believe, not blue. That, there, is the key difference. Blue eyes have been seen so far to indicate indoctrination.

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This was my tweet to her lol.

@JessicaMerizan You realize saying go save Tali after getting the "red" ending, seeing Shep half breath, and getting cutoff is unsatisfying?

@mpgeist perhaps and I'm sorry that I don't have anything to make you feel better about that right now :(

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I wonder how Jules Verne is coming along with that poem???

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PlumPaul82393 wrote...

People4Peace wrote...Really?

So she lacks perspective on the issue? I don't care if you dislike her or what she is trying to do but insulting her isn't the way to go.

As I said earlier, discussion about the Indoc. theory is the purpose of the thread. And I wouldn't do anything that could bring the ban hammer down....





I wasn't insulting her, just noting the desperation to find any sort of news to prove this theory, even if it's not from someone who would really know.


But dont you think someone at Bioware would step in if she was tweeting blatantly false information?

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This might be dumb and someone might have said it already but that image of the 1m1 in the picture with the yellow circle looks like rmr which is short for "remember". That's what I thought when I saw it anyway, didn't see the 1m1 and since it's reflected backward in a few places rmr might work too.

#14640
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Aeyl wrote...

savionen wrote...

vrumpt wrote...

thePredator50 wrote...

It's obvious Jessica WANTS to talk about this, but she's under embargo... Also, it seems no one noticed:


"The Truth" has already been debunked.  @masseffect said they would never name anything that.


The Truth is such a poor name, but Genesis and Arrival are brilliant, right? There's also such things as temporary names. The name of a project often isn't the same going in as coming out. Otherwise you'd have racing games called "Racing Game"


Just to let everyone know....The Mass Effect twitter is just a bot. So it isn't exactly trustworthy as a source

Um, no its not. The Mass Effect twitter is run by many members of the Mass Effect development team and community managers. This is done to help deal with the high amount of tweet traffic. 

Its the same way with the XboxSupport twitter and many more.

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JCQuiinn wrote...

Lost Cipher wrote...

I hate to say this. But I have been playing ME2, god I love that game. And I am doing a soldier - renegade run. And well when you get your Renegade score high enough... Your eyes do start to look like the Illusive Man's.

And well if he is indoctrinated because of his contact with the Reapers in the First Contact War, as well as having implants. And from the novels we learn that Grayson was implanted with Reaper tech, supposedly similar to whats in Shepard (I believe?).

Well maybe you guys are onto something...

Does this make me a hypocrite?


His eyes turn red I believe, not blue. That, there, is the key difference. Blue eyes have been seen so far to indicate indoctrination.


Their red, wouldn't that still be just as bad? Or is that Shepard's will overpowering the Reapers attempts at control?

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mpgeist wrote...

This was my tweet to her lol.

@JessicaMerizan You realize saying go save Tali after getting the "red" ending, seeing Shep half breath, and getting cutoff is unsatisfying?

@mpgeist perhaps and I'm sorry that I don't have anything to make you feel better about that right now :(


Fingers crossed that the "right now" bit at the end is eventually proved relevant.

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Aeyl wrote...

savionen wrote...

vrumpt wrote...

thePredator50 wrote...

It's obvious Jessica WANTS to talk about this, but she's under embargo... Also, it seems no one noticed:


"The Truth" has already been debunked.  @masseffect said they would never name anything that.


The Truth is such a poor name, but Genesis and Arrival are brilliant, right? There's also such things as temporary names. The name of a project often isn't the same going in as coming out. Otherwise you'd have racing games called "Racing Game"


Just to let everyone know....The Mass Effect twitter is just a bot. So it isn't exactly trustworthy as a source


Are you sure? I've read that the ME twitter is a group of people that switch every couple of hours. Either way, it doesn't matter honestly.

#14644
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byne wrote...

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

People4Peace wrote...Really?

So she lacks perspective on the issue? I don't care if you dislike her or what she is trying to do but insulting her isn't the way to go.

As I said earlier, discussion about the Indoc. theory is the purpose of the thread. And I wouldn't do anything that could bring the ban hammer down....





I wasn't insulting her, just noting the desperation to find any sort of news to prove this theory, even if it's not from someone who would really know.


But dont you think someone at Bioware would step in if she was tweeting blatantly false information?


Exactly, they would never have her do anything that could hurt the company, she would lose her job over it. I wouldn't be surprised if they arn't encouraging her to do this.

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@JessicaMerizan You say that the sol relay is too far away right? but there are no habitable planets with vegitation like that near us.
Jessica Merizan ‏
@Jebuz_Mutation well the Normandy can go FTL and so can other ships still on Earth soooooooooo...

See things like this in favor of the current endings taken literally worry me. This ruins hope just as much as her pro-indoctrination tweets give me hope.

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Golferguy758 wrote...

She's a community manager and a damn fine one at that.

And once again I'm going to reiterate that if you take anything away from the tweets take this one: Final Hours is a cool look at the dev process and documenting that journey but not the authority on the story/what is canon


Cause it's important.

Also another note. Don't say she's confirming anything. I guarantee that she knows the line of the NDA she's under. She will not, under any cicumstance, cross that line. Therefore, she will not confirm ANYTHING until after it has been cleared by the upper echelons.

I've been in NDAs. You don't break them if you don't want to commit career suicide and have a good likelihood of being sued.

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Lost Cipher wrote...

I hate to say this. But I have been playing ME2, god I love that game. And I am doing a soldier - renegade run. And well when you get your Renegade score high enough... Your eyes do start to look like the Illusive Man's.

And well if he is indoctrinated because of his contact with the Reapers in the First Contact War, as well as having implants. And from the novels we learn that Grayson was implanted with Reaper tech, supposedly similar to whats in Shepard (I believe?).

Well maybe you guys are onto something...

Does this make me a hypocrite?


I just noticed that in ME3, Miranda complains about all the black boxes she had to deal with during the Lazarus Project.  Foreshadowing much?  No seriously guys, why would they give her black boxes EXCEPT for Reaper tech?  What other kind of tech would they not want her to know about?  Like she'd care if it was breaking some copyright law?  And then there's the scientists that said "it simply can't be done" but then it's done and never explained how.  I don't think it's a question of if Shepard has Reaper tech in his implants, it's a question of if the Reaper tech in his implants has indoctrination auras.

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Lost Cipher wrote...

I hate to say this. But I have been playing ME2, god I love that game. And I am doing a soldier - renegade run. And well when you get your Renegade score high enough... Your eyes do start to look like the Illusive Man's.

And well if he is indoctrinated because of his contact with the Reapers in the First Contact War, as well as having implants. And from the novels we learn that Grayson was implanted with Reaper tech, supposedly similar to whats in Shepard (I believe?).

Well maybe you guys are onto something...

Does this make me a hypocrite?

No they don't
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Lost Cipher wrote...

JCQuiinn wrote...

Lost Cipher wrote...

I hate to say this. But I have been playing ME2, god I love that game. And I am doing a soldier - renegade run. And well when you get your Renegade score high enough... Your eyes do start to look like the Illusive Man's.

And well if he is indoctrinated because of his contact with the Reapers in the First Contact War, as well as having implants. And from the novels we learn that Grayson was implanted with Reaper tech, supposedly similar to whats in Shepard (I believe?).

Well maybe you guys are onto something...

Does this make me a hypocrite?


His eyes turn red I believe, not blue. That, there, is the key difference. Blue eyes have been seen so far to indicate indoctrination.


Their red, wouldn't that still be just as bad? Or is that Shepard's will overpowering the Reapers attempts at control?


The red eyes are implants. Blue mechanical eyes are a sign of indoctrination. TIM was exposed to Reaper Tech, got blue mechanical eyes. Saren got blue mechanical eyes. Geth have bluye mechanical eyes. When Shephard does Synth. ending, they turn blue. Paragon ending might go blue too, cannot recall.

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Lost Cipher wrote...

I hate to say this. But I have been playing ME2, god I love that game. And I am doing a soldier - renegade run. And well when you get your Renegade score high enough... Your eyes do start to look like the Illusive Man's.

And well if he is indoctrinated because of his contact with the Reapers in the First Contact War, as well as having implants. And from the novels we learn that Grayson was implanted with Reaper tech, supposedly similar to whats in Shepard (I believe?).

Well maybe you guys are onto something...

Does this make me a hypocrite?




umm reapers? first contact war? what?