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Martukis

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Or it could be Earth, yeah? The relay goes nuts, Joker sees it coming and heads back to Earth?

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Vhalkyrie

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It doesn't matter if the reaper tech is destroyed (I, personally, think the war is still going on). Plus Dr. Tsoni made all those video archives on how to build the technology, and seeded it to numerous locations.

Then, there is also reverse engineering. Engineer Adams/Tali wouldn't suddenly forget how FTL drives works. They'd be able to figure out how to rebuild it.

Modifié par Vhalkyrie, 16 mars 2012 - 04:18 .


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@ToniGoodman they were forced to retreat. The Stargazer is an Easter Egg and if you looked at the credits, you should know who he is :)

All hands on deck, we got stuff to do.

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SomeoneStoleMyName wrote...

I still think this video: start at 0:55 and pause the vid at 0:57 - is one of the biggest give-aways. Sends chills down my spine everytime!

If you're talking about Anderson looking at the camera instead of TIM, I think you're reading into it too much. Just a quirk with the animation. Plus considering the condition Anderson was in there, he probably wasn't able to turn all the way to look straight at TIM.

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they were forced to retreat. The Stargazer is an Easter Egg and if you looked at the credits, you should know who he is :)

Someone should ask her how dead crewmates get onto the ship then. IF EMS is low then your crewmates die in that run, but we've seen them show up on the normandy afterwards, if I recall correctly.

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Luiginius wrote...

Following those tweets is like asking Grobnar Gnomehands about the Wendersnaven.


Funny that. NWN 2 = 90% bad game but the ending was decent. ME3 is the opposite. 

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Emperor_Ike wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

mpgeist wrote...

 Maybe Shep's red eyes makes him special Reaper tech! :mellow:


...  Well, the human Reaper had red eyes.  Three of them in fact.

...  :unsure:  I should go.


The renegade red circle-and-dots are flipped so there are 2 at the top left and right, with one at bottom center, whereas the blue Indoc eyes are 2 at lower left and right. Don't I remember TIM having a center-top blue?


The eye thing is significant but got buried in page 383
http://social.biowar...dex/9727423/383

*Edit It's included in the OP

Modifié par kent80082006, 16 mars 2012 - 04:17 .


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Golferguy758 wrote...

they were forced to retreat. The Stargazer is an Easter Egg and if you looked at the credits, you should know who he is :)

Someone should ask her how dead crewmates get onto the ship then. IF EMS is low then your crewmates die in that run, but we've seen them show up on the normandy afterwards, if I recall correctly.


She said they did not teleport.

I'm sooooo confusssssed.

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To those arguing there was not enough time to indoctrinate Shepard... Consider the time he was in the Cerberus project... Plenty of time to indoctrinate, but not so long as to be "unsustainable" as the codec mentions.

This is clearly the intended ending and those who argue we're clearly "indoctrinated" and can't accost they were tricked into keeping the Reapers alive

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Martukis wrote...

Or it could be Earth, yeah? The relay goes nuts, Joker sees it coming and heads back to Earth?


there were two moons on that planet

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Has anyone explored the reason why, during the cutscene, the relay to relay chain reaction doesn't start from the Local Cluster as it should? It starts from the Viper Nebula. The nebula where, I might add, the destroyed Alpha Relay was located.

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thePredator50 wrote...

@ToniGoodman they were forced to retreat. The Stargazer is an Easter Egg and if you looked at the credits, you should know who he is :)

All hands on deck, we got stuff to do.


Nah - she just means its Buzz Aldrin doing the voice.

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MissMaster_2 wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

they were forced to retreat. The Stargazer is an Easter Egg and if you looked at the credits, you should know who he is :)

Someone should ask her how dead crewmates get onto the ship then. IF EMS is low then your crewmates die in that run, but we've seen them show up on the normandy afterwards, if I recall correctly.


She said they did not teleport.

I'm sooooo confusssssed.

The oldman/stargazer is Buzz Aldrin. 

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kent80082006 wrote...

Emperor_Ike wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

mpgeist wrote...

 Maybe Shep's red eyes makes him special Reaper tech! :mellow:


...  Well, the human Reaper had red eyes.  Three of them in fact.

...  :unsure:  I should go.


The renegade red circle-and-dots are flipped so there are 2 at the top left and right, with one at bottom center, whereas the blue Indoc eyes are 2 at lower left and right. Don't I remember TIM having a center-top blue?


The eye thing is significant but buried in page 383
http://social.biowar...dex/9727423/383


I knew I'd seen it; couldn't remember the page, heh. Hard to see the center-top eyedots on those fine huskified gentlemen, but I swear they're there!

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Zix13 wrote...

Luiginius wrote...

Following those tweets is like asking Grobnar Gnomehands about the Wendersnaven.


Funny that. NWN 2 = 90% bad game but the ending was decent. ME3 is the opposite. 


I enjoyed NWN 2.... :( (original game, expansions were terrible)

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Icinix wrote...

thePredator50 wrote...

@ToniGoodman they were forced to retreat. The Stargazer is an Easter Egg and if you looked at the credits, you should know who he is :)

All hands on deck, we got stuff to do.


Nah - she just means its Buzz Aldrin doing the voice.


Phooey. :(

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Hmmm. Doing the mission at that fuel station. Vega says early on, "I feel like we're being watched."

There are Reaperized organics in the place, but that's awful convenient wording. AFAIK we didn't even have "feels like they're being watched" as a known symptom of indoctrination before they gave us this oddly detailed codex, did we?

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KujaTheDarkOne2 wrote...

Lasiewicz wrote...

This is screaming Neo Genesis Evangelion


Neon, not Neo. But how so? I've seen all of Eva, and I'm not quite sure what you mean.


Sorry. Missed the N out.

In the original series, the final episode was all in Shinji's mind, fighting the decision of whether he followed his urge to run away, or stay and fight. Some people back in the 90's claimed that he was influenced by the Angels. Not everything was fully explained (there was no final battle).

In the RW, after the out cry for a new ending, the director made Death and Rebirth, which was THE final battle. Not exactly what everyone wanted (it was a huge head fudge, and he killed off pretty much the entire cast, though it was spectacular!)

Never has this vid made more sense.



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@DeathOsiris why is the solar system vaporized? It's not the same kind of destroying a relay as in Arrival where an asteroid hit the thing..


Hm.

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Why isn't anyone asking Jessica Merizan how Shepard survived landing on Earth after the destruction of the Citadel? You can clearly see it exploding, and there's not way those debrees are from the Citadel.

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I also noticed that if the engineers on your ship ask you to get a part that would stop the engineering deck getting ****ed up when "the kinetic barriers are under heavy attack and we're traveling at peak speed (FTL)". It seems a weird thing to have (since the fixes we had in ME2 actually came into play). The only time this happens to the Normandy is in the seen. The blast is hammering the Normandy while it's travel ling at FTL. Hmmm...

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thePredator50 wrote...

@ToniGoodman they were forced to retreat. The Stargazer is an Easter Egg and if you looked at the credits, you should know who he is :)

All hands on deck, we got stuff to do.


anyone know what shes talking about?

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Vhalkyrie wrote...

It doesn't matter if the reaper tech is destroyed. Plus Dr. Tsoni made all those video archives on how to build the technology, and seeded it to numerous locations.

Then, there is also reverse engineering. Engineer Adams wouldn't suddenly forget how FTL drives works. He'd be able to figure out how to rebuild it.


Exactly. Plus the Engineers Daniels and Donnelly and Tali, of course. Outside of the Normandy, there must be other talented engineers like some of people that helped build the Crucible.

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kent80082006

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Lasiewicz wrote...

KujaTheDarkOne2 wrote...

Lasiewicz wrote...

This is screaming Neo Genesis Evangelion


Neon, not Neo. But how so? I've seen all of Eva, and I'm not quite sure what you mean.


Sorry. Missed the N out.

In the original series, the final episode was all in Shinji's mind, fighting the decision of whether he followed his urge to run away, or stay and fight. Some people back in the 90's claimed that he was influenced by the Angels. Not everything was fully explained (there was no final battle).

In the RW, after the out cry for a new ending, the director made Death and Rebirth, which was THE final battle. Not exactly what everyone wanted (it was a huge head fudge, and he killed off pretty much the entire cast, though it was spectacular!)

Never has this vid made more sense.


Haha thanks for the video, that is seriously the best ending I've seen to date
Evangelion FTW!

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Golferguy758 wrote...

they were forced to retreat. The Stargazer is an Easter Egg and if you looked at the credits, you should know who he is :)

Someone should ask her how dead crewmates get onto the ship then. IF EMS is low then your crewmates die in that run, but we've seen them show up on the normandy afterwards, if I recall correctly.

That and:

The part where a
squadmate that I chose to accompany on the run to the beam to the
Citadel magically appeared on the Normandy running away (as evidenced by
him stepping out of the Normandy after it crashed).
How did Joker get in, pick up my squad-mate (after I was knocked out by Harbinger), and get out of there all before they called for everyone to pull back AND somehow
manage to not be blown out of the sky by Harbinger (who was still on
the ground behind the beam up until the point where Shepard starts getting back up)?

Furthermore,
no one said anything about abandoning the mission if I recall correctly
(although correct me if I'm wrong), just to pull back and regroup,
because later, Hackett tells everyone "this is it" (implying that everyone is still on or around Earth) when Shepard opens up
the Citadel arms.