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[ULS 980]

Golferguy758 wrote...
Said it like  time but it'd important that people understand. She's under an NDA. She can't give out that much information. If she was giving information it would be a direct statement.

As such the one statement that SHOULD give everyone hope, and ironically the one that everyone's ignoring, is  Final Hours is a cool look at the dev process and documenting that journey but not the authority on the story/what is canon

Well, outside of that. Don't care whether or not she can or cannot say anything concrete about the ending. That's not what I'm talking about. I'm contesting her "theory" on how Joker and the Normandy got out of there.

She stated that Joker got out when they said to pull back, but that's pretty much impossible because he'd (or someone) would have to go down and pickup my squadmate while I'm knocked out, dodge Harbinger's attacks on the way in and way out, and do this ALL before anyone said anything about falling back in the first place.

Modifié par ULS 980, 16 mars 2012 - 04:42 .

[Ona Demonie]

Vhalkyrie wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Vhalkyrie wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Hmmm. Doing the mission at that fuel station. Vega says early on, "I feel like we're being watched."

There are Reaperized organics in the place, but that's awful convenient wording. AFAIK we didn't even have "feels like they're being watched" as a known symptom of indoctrination before they gave us this oddly detailed codex, did we?

I think James is one of the biggest clues about indoctrination.  He makes comments several times about a strange 'hum'.  The indoctrination codex clearly states:

Organics undergoing indoctrination may complain of headaches and buzzing
or ringing in their ears. As time passes, they have feelings of "being
watched" and hallucinations of "ghostly" presences. Ultimately, the
Reaper gains the ability to use the victim's body to amplify its
signals, manifesting as "alien" voices in the mind.

In ME1, Kaidain makes a comment about a 'hum' that makes his teeth tingle if you look at the mass effect relay on the Citadel.  This is very early in the game, before the Citadel's origin is revealed.

Wait.  That doesn't make any sense though.  The mass relay in the Citadel is the Conduit.  It's Prothean.  A prototype of an attempt to recreate a mass relay actually made by the Reapers.  It shouldn't have any indoctrination.

Up until ME3, we thought the Protheans built the Citadel.  In ME3, the Prothean VI revealed the Citadel is Reaper.

I thought prior to ME3, we already knew the Citadel was a trap and was used to gather mass amounts of advanced species to harvest them. 

[IhateEA-Mask]

DANG IT PEOPLE, the hum is something YOU can hear in the shuttle bay. Listen it. You hear that noise that keeps repeating? Thats what hes talking about. Its the engine hum that you hear in first game in engine room, same in ME 2 and 3.

[Vhalkyrie]

Ona Demonie wrote...

Vhalkyrie wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Vhalkyrie wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Hmmm. Doing the mission at that fuel station. Vega says early on, "I feel like we're being watched."

There are Reaperized organics in the place, but that's awful convenient wording. AFAIK we didn't even have "feels like they're being watched" as a known symptom of indoctrination before they gave us this oddly detailed codex, did we?

I think James is one of the biggest clues about indoctrination.  He makes comments several times about a strange 'hum'.  The indoctrination codex clearly states:

Organics undergoing indoctrination may complain of headaches and buzzing
or ringing in their ears. As time passes, they have feelings of "being
watched" and hallucinations of "ghostly" presences. Ultimately, the
Reaper gains the ability to use the victim's body to amplify its
signals, manifesting as "alien" voices in the mind.

In ME1, Kaidain makes a comment about a 'hum' that makes his teeth tingle if you look at the mass effect relay on the Citadel.  This is very early in the game, before the Citadel's origin is revealed.

Wait.  That doesn't make any sense though.  The mass relay in the Citadel is the Conduit.  It's Prothean.  A prototype of an attempt to recreate a mass relay actually made by the Reapers.  It shouldn't have any indoctrination.

Up until ME3, we thought the Protheans built the Citadel.  In ME3, the Prothean VI revealed the Citadel is Reaper.

I thought prior to ME3, we already knew the Citadel was a trap and was used to gather mass amounts of advanced species to harvest them. 

Yes, correction made.  The protheans didn't make it, they were just the last to use it.

[Vhalkyrie]

IhateEA-Mask wrote...

DANG IT PEOPLE, the hum is something YOU can hear in the shuttle bay. Listen it. You hear that noise that keeps repeating? Thats what hes talking about. Its the engine hum that you hear in first game in engine room, same in ME 2 and 3.

No, it's not.

[IhateEA-Mask]

Vhalkyrie wrote...

Ona Demonie wrote...

Vhalkyrie wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Vhalkyrie wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Hmmm. Doing the mission at that fuel station. Vega says early on, "I feel like we're being watched."

There are Reaperized organics in the place, but that's awful convenient wording. AFAIK we didn't even have "feels like they're being watched" as a known symptom of indoctrination before they gave us this oddly detailed codex, did we?

I think James is one of the biggest clues about indoctrination.  He makes comments several times about a strange 'hum'.  The indoctrination codex clearly states:

Organics undergoing indoctrination may complain of headaches and buzzing
or ringing in their ears. As time passes, they have feelings of "being
watched" and hallucinations of "ghostly" presences. Ultimately, the
Reaper gains the ability to use the victim's body to amplify its
signals, manifesting as "alien" voices in the mind.

In ME1, Kaidain makes a comment about a 'hum' that makes his teeth tingle if you look at the mass effect relay on the Citadel.  This is very early in the game, before the Citadel's origin is revealed.

Wait.  That doesn't make any sense though.  The mass relay in the Citadel is the Conduit.  It's Prothean.  A prototype of an attempt to recreate a mass relay actually made by the Reapers.  It shouldn't have any indoctrination.

Up until ME3, we thought the Protheans built the Citadel.  In ME3, the Prothean VI revealed the Citadel is Reaper.

I thought prior to ME3, we already knew the Citadel was a trap and was used to gather mass amounts of advanced species to harvest them. 

Yes, correction made.  The protheans didn't make it, they were just the last to use it.

Again, Vega is talking about ENGINE noise. The same noise you hear in engine rooms of all normandys. You hear it in shuttle bay of ME 3 too.

[People4Peace]

IhateEA-Mask wrote...

DANG IT PEOPLE, the hum is something YOU can hear in the shuttle bay. Listen it. You hear that noise that keeps repeating? Thats what hes talking about. Its the engine hum that you hear in first game in engine room, same in ME 2 and 3.

But wouldn't he know that? He's served on ships before....it just doesn't make sense for him to point that out. He can't be that dumb...

[Golferguy758]

ULS 980 wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...
Said it like  time but it'd important that people understand. She's under an NDA. She can't give out that much information. If she was giving information it would be a direct statement.

As such the one statement that SHOULD give everyone hope, and ironically the one that everyone's ignoring, is  Final Hours is a cool look at the dev process and documenting that journey but not the authority on the story/what is canon

Well, outside of that. Don't care whether or not she can or cannot say anything concrete about the ending. That's not what I'm talking about. I'm contesting her "theory" on how Joker and the Normandy got out of there.

She stated that Joker got out when they said to pull back, but that's pretty much impossible because he'd (or someone) would have to go down and pickup my squadmate while I'm knocked out, dodge Harbinger's attacks on the way in and way out, and do this ALL before anyone said anything about falling back in the first place.

Trust me. I agree with you. I just quoted you since you had valid points and thus I figrued putting another valid point on it would make both valid points more likely to be read

[IhateEA-Mask]

People4Peace wrote...

IhateEA-Mask wrote...

DANG IT PEOPLE, the hum is something YOU can hear in the shuttle bay. Listen it. You hear that noise that keeps repeating? Thats what hes talking about. Its the engine hum that you hear in first game in engine room, same in ME 2 and 3.

But wouldn't he know that? He's served on ships before....it just doesn't make sense for him to point that out. He can't be that dumb...

*shrugs* Maybe he just never thought about it before?

[Rifneno]

Vhalkyrie wrote...

The Citadel is Reaper.  Also, a lot of Prothean tech was built on Reaper tech.

The Citadel is a Reaper if you believe the ending is reality.  Anyway, the codex also explains vaguely how indoctrination works using various subtle frequencies.  That kind of thing wouldn't be mistaken for part of a mass relay's travel workings.  There's no reason a Prothean relay prototype would have any indoctrination.  ...  Fishy.  Maybe I'm overanalyzing again but I can't help but think of how that frozen bag of eyes we meet in From Ashes uses the same logic as starchild.

[Koenig0309]

Continuing the origin of the energy beam, skip to 2:10 and see where it begins.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AdWqlsQjWo

Now, look where the local cluster (Earth) is located in the Milky Way galaxy.
http://dwebart.devia...p-2-5-206966585

I doubt this was a mistake as they've already correctly labeled the Orion spur as the location of the Local Cluster in the Galaxy map.

[Vhalkyrie]

IhateEA-Mask wrote...

People4Peace wrote...

IhateEA-Mask wrote...

DANG IT PEOPLE, the hum is something YOU can hear in the shuttle bay. Listen it. You hear that noise that keeps repeating? Thats what hes talking about. Its the engine hum that you hear in first game in engine room, same in ME 2 and 3.

But wouldn't he know that? He's served on ships before....it just doesn't make sense for him to point that out. He can't be that dumb...

*shrugs* Maybe he just never thought about it before?

My laptop makes a particular type of hum that I am familiar with.  If it starts humming different, then I know there is cat hair stuck in it to be cleaned out.  I trust James would know the difference.  ../../../images/forum/emoticons/joyful.png

Modifié par Vhalkyrie, 16 mars 2012 - 04:50 .

[Vhalkyrie]

Rifneno wrote...

Vhalkyrie wrote...

The Citadel is Reaper.  Also, a lot of Prothean tech was built on Reaper tech.

The Citadel is a Reaper if you believe the ending is reality.  Anyway, the codex also explains vaguely how indoctrination works using various subtle frequencies.  That kind of thing wouldn't be mistaken for part of a mass relay's travel workings.  There's no reason a Prothean relay prototype would have any indoctrination.  ...  Fishy.  Maybe I'm overanalyzing again but I can't help but think of how that frozen bag of eyes we meet in From Ashes uses the same logic as starchild.

The relays aren't Prothean.  They are Reaper.  The Protheans just used the relays, just as we are.

[ZAINSxbox]

Shepard's birthday is April 11th and the Childs play donations end April 11th. Did they do that on purpose?

Modifié par ZAINSxbox, 16 mars 2012 - 04:52 .

[Kanon777]

I left this tread for a second to see if the mood on bsn is getting better after this, and it isnt...

[HairyMadDog1010]

IhateEA-Mask wrote...

DANG IT PEOPLE, the hum is something YOU can hear in the shuttle bay. Listen it. You hear that noise that keeps repeating? Thats what hes talking about. Its the engine hum that you hear in first game in engine room, same in ME 2 and 3.

He is a Marine, normal ship sounds would not bug him.

[xeternalxredx]

IhateEA-Mask wrote...

People4Peace wrote...

IhateEA-Mask wrote...

DANG IT PEOPLE, the hum is something YOU can hear in the shuttle bay. Listen it. You hear that noise that keeps repeating? Thats what hes talking about. Its the engine hum that you hear in first game in engine room, same in ME 2 and 3.

But wouldn't he know that? He's served on ships before....it just doesn't make sense for him to point that out. He can't be that dumb...

*shrugs* Maybe he just never thought about it before?

Why would he suddenly bring it up after it's been said that indoctrination shows signs through humming?

[Kanon777]

IhateEA-Mask wrote...

People4Peace wrote...

IhateEA-Mask wrote...

DANG IT PEOPLE, the hum is something YOU can hear in the shuttle bay. Listen it. You hear that noise that keeps repeating? Thats what hes talking about. Its the engine hum that you hear in first game in engine room, same in ME 2 and 3.

But wouldn't he know that? He's served on ships before....it just doesn't make sense for him to point that out. He can't be that dumb...

*shrugs* Maybe he just never thought about it before?

Now youre grasping at straws. Vega isnt a random human being, everything he says was written by someone else, its reasonable to think he is detecting a wierd noise that shouldnt be there.

[slyko227]

xeternalxredx wrote...

IhateEA-Mask wrote...

People4Peace wrote...

IhateEA-Mask wrote...

DANG IT PEOPLE, the hum is something YOU can hear in the shuttle bay. Listen it. You hear that noise that keeps repeating? Thats what hes talking about. Its the engine hum that you hear in first game in engine room, same in ME 2 and 3.

But wouldn't he know that? He's served on ships before....it just doesn't make sense for him to point that out. He can't be that dumb...

*shrugs* Maybe he just never thought about it before?

Why would he suddenly bring it up after it's been said that indoctrination shows signs through humming?

the normandy has a prototype drive core that was built by cerberus, i dont an alliance marine wuld know what it sounds like

[crimsontotem]

Do they order Normandy to retreat when i start to run to the beam? I don't recall that

[Noob451]

crimsontotem wrote...

Do they order Normandy to retreat when i start to run to the beam? I don't recall that

no, which is why it doesnt make sense

[Spyre2001]

KujaTheDarkOne2 wrote...

I dunno, though. I mean, what
would ME4 even be about? Just killing the Reapers? 'Cause we already
resolved the Genophage, the Quarian/Geth war, pretty much all the
character's personal issues... We even destoyed Cerberus. So besides
offing the Reapers, what is there? And considering how close we get,
with the Crucible and a big battle on Earth and the Citadel being
captured... it seems like we're pretty close to either beating them or
losing to them. Enough story left for DLC? Sure. But for a whole game?
Seems like a stretch.

Well I think ME4 is going to take place centuries later. That's what the old man is indicating when he says the things in his story happen a "Long Time Ago" and some of the details might be off. It's kinda like how Knights of the Old Republic takes place in the SW universe but so far removed from what we saw in the movies as to have no connection to them at all.

As for threats the galaxy was mostly unexplored. The Mass Relays offered an easy form of travel to get around quick but they also kep exploration down to only those areas near them. It's the same way how portals/teleports or any fast travel end up working in MMOs where those points become very crowded and lots of other remote areas that are not within easy reach or abandon for those locations that are quick to reach.

Taken from Wiki site "The Milky Way is a barred spiral galaxy 100,000–120,000 light-years in diameter containing 200–400 billion stars." Now think about how few of those would of been explored. Heck part of the thing that got humanity in trouble was them colonizing in unexplored areas then when asking for help they were told it's your own fault for going into such dangerous areas.

The whole First Contact war was because humanity was trying to activate a relay to a new region of space when though the council outlawed such practices. They had a very cautious attitude to exploration.

Modifié par Spyre2001, 16 mars 2012 - 04:57 .

[Jere85]

Vega isnt talking about the engine, he simply had enough of you... he considers your voice a hum since he wants you to fk off. No joke, i can put it more delicately, but thats how it is.

Theorycraft, but dont look for things that arent there, Mars didnt have a face shaped mountain either.

Modifié par Jere85, 16 mars 2012 - 04:55 .

[kyg_20X6]

Er, if the Citadel is a Reaper (or a Starchild who uses the Reapers) couldn't it just indoctrinate everyone aboard slowly, over time. It could gain total control over the Council, all major species' ambassadors. Hell, it could have just told the Council to open the relay (from ME1) and let the Reaper fleets in.

So I don't think it's a Reaper and I don't think it's something that controls the Reapers. I mean, why would Starchild have Sovereign come open the relay? That'd be like me building a robot to open the door for me.

So if it's not a Reaper and not Starchild then that could point to it all being a hallucination.

[xeternalxredx]

slyko227 wrote...

xeternalxredx wrote...

IhateEA-Mask wrote...

People4Peace wrote...

IhateEA-Mask wrote...

DANG IT PEOPLE, the hum is something YOU can hear in the shuttle bay. Listen it. You hear that noise that keeps repeating? Thats what hes talking about. Its the engine hum that you hear in first game in engine room, same in ME 2 and 3.

But wouldn't he know that? He's served on ships before....it just doesn't make sense for him to point that out. He can't be that dumb...

*shrugs* Maybe he just never thought about it before?

Why would he suddenly bring it up after it's been said that indoctrination shows signs through humming?

the normandy has a prototype drive core that was built by cerberus, i dont an alliance marine wuld know what it sounds like

so you're saying, that even though it was confirmed humming is heard for people being indoctrinated, he just randomly brings it up? There is no reason they would have him say there is a humming noise if it was just the drive core.