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[JediNg]

For those that haven't seen this yet. lolol

[MissOuJ]

ULS 980 wrote...

MissOuJ wrote...

I have to say I absolutely love this theory, and even if it is a strech, which this is something BioWare intented from the start. Because if they did, they completely fooled me in the end.

Throuhgout the whole series, Shepard's been fighting people who've been indoctrinated (Saren, TIM, Kenson...) and s/he's been like, "Don't you see what you've done/are about to do?!" And then, when the godchild game the choice, I (at first) chose synthesis, because I thought that was the best outcome of those three options.

This was before I read the Indoctrination theory, and after I read it, I was like "****! I was fooled!" I had to actually replay the ending for my own peace of mind.

BTW, if you replay the ending from the point just after Harbinger takes you out, the save says "Citadel: The Return"

The return of what?

...I am intriqued!

Just means you are returning to the Citadel.
Don't think it's anything special.

Well, yeah. But that would be boring! I want my mysterious conspiracy theory!



But yes, you're probably right.

[Erethrian]

MissOuJ wrote...

ULS 980 wrote...

MissOuJ wrote...

I have to say I absolutely love this theory, and even if it is a strech, which this is something BioWare intented from the start. Because if they did, they completely fooled me in the end.

Throuhgout the whole series, Shepard's been fighting people who've been indoctrinated (Saren, TIM, Kenson...) and s/he's been like, "Don't you see what you've done/are about to do?!" And then, when the godchild game the choice, I (at first) chose synthesis, because I thought that was the best outcome of those three options.

This was before I read the Indoctrination theory, and after I read it, I was like "****! I was fooled!" I had to actually replay the ending for my own peace of mind.

BTW, if you replay the ending from the point just after Harbinger takes you out, the save says "Citadel: The Return"

The return of what?

...I am intriqued!

Just means you are returning to the Citadel.
Don't think it's anything special.

Well, yeah. But that would be boring! I want my mysterious conspiracy theory!



But yes, you're probably right.

Don't give up.  After all, why would they change that if it doesn't mean anything? I mean, they could just leave the save as "Lived to Fight again" right? And, is this true? It really changes to "Citadel: The return"?
 Now I'm intrigued too.

[MissOuJ]

Erethrian wrote...

Don't give up.  After all, why would they change that if it doesn't mean anything? I mean, they could just leave the save as "Lived to Fight again" right? And, is this true? It really changes to "Citadel: The return"?
 Now I'm intrigued too.

No, that's not the post-game save, but the one you get after Harbinger fries you and you get up to drag yourself to the beam. The EMS +5000 Destroy ending post-game save name is Lived to Fight Again (I think some PC wizard confirmed that).

So yeah, it probably just mean Shepard is returning to the Citadel for the final time.

But I won't give up! This theory is way too cool not to be my head-canon canon!



Edited because I haz sentence structure, honest...

Modifié par MissOuJ, 16 mars 2012 - 09:31 .

[Erethrian]

MissOuJ wrote...

Erethrian wrote...

Don't give up.  After all, why would they change that if it doesn't mean anything? I mean, they could just leave the save as "Lived to Fight again" right? And, is this true? It really changes to "Citadel: The return"?
 Now I'm intrigued too.

No, that's not the post-game save, but the one you get after Harbinger fries you and you get up to drag yourself to the beam. The EMS +5000 Destroy ending post-game save name is Lived to Fight Again (I think some PC wizard confirmed that).

So yeah, it probably just mean Shepard is returning to the Citadel for the final time.

But I won't give up! This theory is way too cool not to be my head-canon canon!



Edited because I haz sentence structure, honest...

^^ Clarified then, thanks! And right, I still hope BW to say: So you experienced... Indoctrination! 

Modifié par Erethrian, 16 mars 2012 - 09:33 .

[Elscotto1989]

JediNg wrote...


For those that haven't seen this yet. lolol

i prefer this one because THIS is how i sounded once i finished the game...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b33tJx8iy0A&feature=related

[kent80082006]

I'm bored, can someone post some funny ME memes to cheer me up pls?

[Cloud Varis]

Baihu1983 wrote...


The only problem is we dont see EDI at the end[but then we dont know how the whole squad is suddenly on the normandy rushing to leave the local cluster?]
And maybe Bioware decided just to leave out showing aload of Geth dieing?


This is my main problem all the endings just seem rushed.

If you bring EDI on the very last stretch of gameplay (what with the missiles and all that), you DO see her on the Normandy after. (Or at least can - I'm not sure if it's been confirmed that it happens every time)

[noobcannon]

kent80082006 wrote...

I'm bored, can someone post some funny ME memes to cheer me up pls?

 

[xZBx]

The following is icing on the cake: 

When the citadel opens its arms, there is zero gravity where they are situated..This means outer space, so how are they walking about? How are they even talking? Outer space has no air, which is the medium for sound.

Also, they'd be frozen in actuality, and the only plausible place where all of this would happen is in a dream/vision, free of all physical limitations. When the Citadel opens its arms in ME1 and you're fighting to get to Sovereign, you're wearing your entire space helmet and you can notice the 0 gravity effect, suggestive of outer space..

Modifié par xZBx, 16 mars 2012 - 09:39 .

[manbot69]

I'm defiantly in the camp that thinks that the theory is not what Bioware intended or planned for the ending they are very lucky that this is an option for unscrewing the ending. Seriously how lucky you have to be to have a pre-established plot device that can be used to explain glaring plot holes and give you the opportunity to correct them. As much as I hate dream/hallucination endings this is something they should give serious thought to picking up and running with.

[MissOuJ]

Erethrian wrote...

I still hope BW to say: So you experienced... Indoctrination! 

Me too! And it would be double awesome since I totally fell for it first!

"Well, I want to save everyone, so if I just sacrifice myself to rewrite everyone's DNA into a mixture of organic and synthetic, which is exactly what the Reapers are and what they've been doing for god knows how long, then the cycle will end and everyone will be happy and kittens and rainbows for everyone (except, you know, me)!

...

Wait..."



That'd take a quad or ten, but it would be absolutely awesome.

[Unholy Misery]

For anyone who thinks the indoctrination theory is true or to anyone who is a ME fan.

[MysticBinary82]

Hi guys and gals how is it going?

I just woke up and thought things over. Many said, that the facts in ME final hour would lead to the conclusion, that there where no indoctrination cause it was nowhere written down on that piece of paper. Well that is not true. He wrote something about the Matrix.

The Matrix is a way for maschins to CONTROL humans. It is a DREAMWORLD. An AI/Agent can also ASSUME DIRECT CONTROL over a human/its projection in the Matrix.
That would mean they are not comparing the end of the third Matrix film with ME3s ending. No it is the beginning of the first one when Neo takes the Red Pill.

If someone already pointed this out, than sorry.

I still hold the line.

Modifié par MysticBinary82, 16 mars 2012 - 09:50 .

[MissOuJ]

xZBx wrote...

The following is icing on the cake: 

When the citadel opens its arms, there is zero gravity where they are situated..This means outer space, so how are they walking about? How are they even talking? Outer space has no air, which is the medium for sound.

Also, they'd be frozen in actuality, and the only plausible place where all of this would happen is in a dream/vision, free of all physical limitations. When the Citadel opens its arms in ME1 and you're fighting to get to Sovereign, you're wearing your entire space helmet and you can notice the 0 gravity effect, suggestive of outer space..

That can actually be countered: if I remember correctly, it is said somewhere that the Citadel has massive mass effect fields that create artificial gravity and create a breathable atmosphere.

That said, it doesn't discount the theory, however.

[Erethrian]

xZBx wrote...

The following is icing on the cake: 

When the citadel opens its arms, there is zero gravity where they are situated..This means outer space, so how are they walking about? How are they even talking? Outer space has no air, which is the medium for sound.

Also, they'd be frozen in actuality, and the only plausible place where all of this would happen is in a dream/vision, free of all physical limitations. When the Citadel opens its arms in ME1 and you're fighting to get to Sovereign, you're wearing your entire space helmet and you can notice the 0 gravity effect, suggestive of outer space..

Thank you.

I've been saying this the entire time.

[Earthborn_Shepard]

Unholy Misery wrote...

For anyone who thinks the indoctrination theory is true or to anyone who is a ME fan.

ahahaha....

[Cloud Varis]

MissOuJ wrote...

xZBx wrote...

The following is icing on the cake: 

When the citadel opens its arms, there is zero gravity where they are situated..This means outer space, so how are they walking about? How are they even talking? Outer space has no air, which is the medium for sound.

Also, they'd be frozen in actuality, and the only plausible place where all of this would happen is in a dream/vision, free of all physical limitations. When the Citadel opens its arms in ME1 and you're fighting to get to Sovereign, you're wearing your entire space helmet and you can notice the 0 gravity effect, suggestive of outer space..

That can actually be countered: if I remember correctly, it is said somewhere that the Citadel has massive mass effect fields that create artificial gravity and create a breathable atmosphere.

That said, it doesn't discount the theory, however.

There's some logic to it, though. The place you end up at the end of ME3 looks to be outside of the council's tower which, in the first game, doesn't seem to have an atmosphere. However, the citadel's in a transformed state at that point, so it's easy to argue that an adjustment could've been made to that section or something. But really, with all of the other things that are so blatantly out of place with the ending, the theory hardly relies on that one miniscule thing.

[FrostByte-GER]

Has anybody noticed that when the Citadel arms were closed, inside the Citadel there are some debris of (maybe?) ships... But how the **** they could get INSIDE the Citadel when the arms are closed????

[Dae0]

MissOuJ wrote...

xZBx wrote...

The following is icing on the cake: 

When the citadel opens its arms, there is zero gravity where they are situated..This means outer space, so how are they walking about? How are they even talking? Outer space has no air, which is the medium for sound.

Also, they'd be frozen in actuality, and the only plausible place where all of this would happen is in a dream/vision, free of all physical limitations. When the Citadel opens its arms in ME1 and you're fighting to get to Sovereign, you're wearing your entire space helmet and you can notice the 0 gravity effect, suggestive of outer space..

That can actually be countered: if I remember correctly, it is said somewhere that the Citadel has massive mass effect fields that create artificial gravity and create a breathable atmosphere.

That said, it doesn't discount the theory, however.

Curious tho, at the end of mass effect 1:
There is gravity in the elevator, but once exiting the elevator gravity seems to cease to be, yet once one reaches the tower, there is gravity again. Leading me to believe that if there is some field that used to induce gravity, it extends only to the surface of the structure, not outside of it.

Although, to play devils advocate, Shephard and Garrus do go to the top of presidium tower for "target practice" at one point in ME3. The use of breathing gear or mag boots is not implied or shown.

[Spectre-61]

Erethrian wrote...

xZBx wrote...

The following is icing on the cake: 

When the citadel opens its arms, there is zero gravity where they are situated..This means outer space, so how are they walking about? How are they even talking? Outer space has no air, which is the medium for sound.

Also, they'd be frozen in actuality, and the only plausible place where all of this would happen is in a dream/vision, free of all physical limitations. When the Citadel opens its arms in ME1 and you're fighting to get to Sovereign, you're wearing your entire space helmet and you can notice the 0 gravity effect, suggestive of outer space..

Thank you.

I've been saying this the entire time.

That's one of the clearest arguments in our theory. But people still think it was real

[ME2Pilot]

I just had a thought. When Shepard is struggling to get to the console on the Citadel and Hackett contacts her, do they actually converse? I know they SEEM to. Shepard asks what Hackett needs her to do and the Admiral SEEMS to answer...but could it be that he, Hackett, doesn't hear her answer him and is simply speaking orders in the hope that she can?

Are they actually answering each other?

Food for thought only. I'm as desperate as everyone else here for this 'ending' to be false. It degrades the entire series. I mean, think about it. No matter what Shepard does, she more or less becomes a Reaper herself if the Mass Relays are indeed destroyed. When one of those things goes up it's like a supernova. It takes out an ENTIRE system. Thus, in destroying the Relays Shepard wipes out nigh on all sapient life in the galaxy. Every planet in every system, not just those with space-flight-worthy races on.

There is hope against this conclusion however. Our system is the Sol system. Our Relay is the Charon Relay. If that thing went nova, there would be no Earth for Shepard to wake up on.

[Spectre-61]

Dae0 wrote...

MissOuJ wrote...

xZBx wrote...

The following is icing on the cake: 

When the citadel opens its arms, there is zero gravity where they are situated..This means outer space, so how are they walking about? How are they even talking? Outer space has no air, which is the medium for sound.

Also, they'd be frozen in actuality, and the only plausible place where all of this would happen is in a dream/vision, free of all physical limitations. When the Citadel opens its arms in ME1 and you're fighting to get to Sovereign, you're wearing your entire space helmet and you can notice the 0 gravity effect, suggestive of outer space..

That can actually be countered: if I remember correctly, it is said somewhere that the Citadel has massive mass effect fields that create artificial gravity and create a breathable atmosphere.

That said, it doesn't discount the theory, however.

Curious tho, at the end of mass effect 1:
There is gravity in the elevator, but once exiting the elevator gravity seems to cease to be, yet once one reaches the tower, there is gravity again. Leading me to believe that if there is some field that used to induce gravity, it extends only to the surface of the structure, not outside of it.

Although, to play devils advocate, Shephard and Garrus do go to the top of presidium tower for "target practice" at one point in ME3. The use of breathing gear or mag boots is not implied or shown.

The Garrus/Shepard scene was on the huerta memorial hospital. Inside the presidium (the ring). There is always atmosphere.

[Cloud Varis]

Dae0 wrote...

MissOuJ wrote...

xZBx wrote...

The following is icing on the cake: 

When the citadel opens its arms, there is zero gravity where they are situated..This means outer space, so how are they walking about? How are they even talking? Outer space has no air, which is the medium for sound.

Also, they'd be frozen in actuality, and the only plausible place where all of this would happen is in a dream/vision, free of all physical limitations. When the Citadel opens its arms in ME1 and you're fighting to get to Sovereign, you're wearing your entire space helmet and you can notice the 0 gravity effect, suggestive of outer space..

That can actually be countered: if I remember correctly, it is said somewhere that the Citadel has massive mass effect fields that create artificial gravity and create a breathable atmosphere.

That said, it doesn't discount the theory, however.

Curious tho, at the end of mass effect 1:
There is gravity in the elevator, but once exiting the elevator gravity seems to cease to be, yet once one reaches the tower, there is gravity again. Leading me to believe that if there is some field that used to induce gravity, it extends only to the surface of the structure, not outside of it.

Although, to play devils advocate, Shephard and Garrus do go to the top of presidium tower for "target practice" at one point in ME3. The use of breathing gear or mag boots is not implied or shown.

Sorry to cut down your devil's advocate, but they simply went to the top of the presidium RING, not the tower itself. They also weren't really at the very top of the presidium - merely on top of one of the higher overpasses of the ring.