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[Slappy Ya Face]

Sereaph502 wrote...

Remember back before the whole Earth sequence? When Shepard, Anderson and Hackett are all talking? How they talk about how this isn't going to be easy and you can have Shepard reply with, "It's never easy. Why should it start now?"

That last bit is too easy. Fighting through entire armies of Reapers only to walk unopposed in the Citadel, which is the KEY to beating the Reapers? Something fishy is going on, for sure.

HOLY @#$% WHY DIDN'T I NOTICE THIS?!

Where WERE the reaper forces there? I mean, they fought you every inch of the way, then suddenly everything changes? The kid is like "Ehhh, just use the magic space gun if you want to. I'm bored with all this." Yet TIM oposes you. Why make him fight you? Of all people? He's not combat ready, he's just.... A wizard or something now.

Modifié par Slappy Ya Face, 10 mars 2012 - 05:54 .

[littleork]

I almost feel like replaying the end just to find more clues

[Beast919]

M U P P 3 T Z wrote...

Well, what I mean is.. the last sequences and their oddity is Harbinger trying to bend Shepard to understand why he should not destroy the Reapers, as there is no bright future for organic life regardless of his decision. I'm proposing that, in the future, we will get a chance to "break the spell" and finish the job correctly (and hopefully in a more satisfying manner)

I totally understand the notion, and its entirely possible its true because there is *some* reason Shepard only draws breath after choosing the destroy option.  I just think the master of all Reapers would either take some precuations to secure Shepard while he's in a coma or else would be very, very upset with his choice (and in a commanding position to do something about it)

[Beast919]

p.s., wanna get mind****ed for real Muppetz? What if...the dude in the video that draws breath isn't Shepard.....its Vega, with his fancy new dogtags. Its a stretch but oh man.....can you imagine the forums rage if thats the kind of special ending they delivered.

[k8ee]

M U P P 3 T Z wrote...

Well, what I mean is.. the last sequences and their oddity is Harbinger trying to bend Shepard to understand why he should not destroy the Reapers, as there is no bright future for organic life regardless of his decision. I'm proposing that, in the future, we will get a chance to "break the spell" and finish the job correctly (and hopefully in a more satisfying manner)

This. Exactly this. Anything other than destroying the reapers is against the goal of the entire game. But the other options are SOOOOO tempting. Over and over they preach no mercy for the reapers, or was that the prothean that said that?

I firmly believe Shep was still on earth the entire time. 

Also, how the hell was TIM there waiting for them?? And why wouldn't he have just kill them? TIM and Anderson seem to represent different sides of Shep's mind. And all the magic guns. Come on. Dream sequence.

[humes spork]

Beast919 wrote...

And as for the breathing scene I added it, can't believe I forgot it, it was what first got me thinking that something was up concerning this...

Not to mention the fact in the "breathing" scene Shepard is ostensibly not on the Citadel. The wreckage looks to be concrete and rebar. Compared to the Citadel wreckage in ME1, which is all twisted and scrapped metal, Shepard has to be on Earth.

[Beast919]

humes spork wrote...

Beast919 wrote...

And as for the breathing scene I added it, can't believe I forgot it, it was what first got me thinking that something was up concerning this...

Not to mention the fact in the "breathing" scene Shepard is ostensibly not on the Citadel. The wreckage looks to be concrete and rebar. Compared to the Citadel wreckage in ME1, which is all twisted and scrapped metal, Shepard has to be on Earth.

That and the whole minor detail of re-entry as the debris fields of the citadel crashed into the earth.  I mean, his helmet will protect his brain at least.  Right?  Oh...he wasn't wearing a helmet in space, that's right.

Modifié par Beast919, 10 mars 2012 - 05:59 .

[littleork]

Beast919 wrote...

humes spork wrote...

Beast919 wrote...

And as for the breathing scene I added it, can't believe I forgot it, it was what first got me thinking that something was up concerning this...

Not to mention the fact in the "breathing" scene Shepard is ostensibly not on the Citadel. The wreckage looks to be concrete and rebar. Compared to the Citadel wreckage in ME1, which is all twisted and scrapped metal, Shepard has to be on Earth.

That and the whole minor detail of re-entry as the debris fields of the citadel crashed into the earth.  I mean, his helmet will protect his brain at least.  Right?  Oh...he wasn't wearing a helmet in space, that's right.

Yeah how could shep survive the fall right? How did her armor got desintegrated from the beam but her body was just beat up? Hmmmmm

[mupp3tz]

Oh man... I'm starting to get to the point that I'll be THOROUGHLY adamant if Bioware tells us otherwise.

[byne]

At this point, even if it wasnt Bioware's original idea, we've already done all the work of thinking it through for them. They should go ahead with it.

[k8ee]

I just can't imagine they would leave it so swiss cheese like that without realizing it.

Even their dialogue on board the citadel is suspect... and why does Shep have communications with Anderson, but no one else? A, yes Hacket, we've made it on board the Citadel, would have been helpful. And if Shep got no answer, it would be easier to assume he/she was dreaming.

[Sereaph502]

Let's not forget that there really wasn't a final boss battle. ME1 had one, ME2 had one, ME3 doesn't have one. (The fight on TIM's base doesn't count)

[MPSai]

The part where you speak to the Catalyst could have been. Like maybe Shepard was having the choices fed into his/her mind, choosing it on the panel in a delirious state.

Dunno.

[Madcat 124]

 I don't know. I certainly hope I was High as hell or something

[k8ee]

the re-entry was the kicker for me. It seemed more like Shep was just waking up where she had fallen - on earth, near the beam thingy. And had not just plummeted from the sky in what was left of the citadel.

[mupp3tz]

Sereaph502 wrote...

Let's not forget that there really wasn't a final boss battle. ME1 had one, ME2 had one, ME3 doesn't have one. (The fight on TIM's base doesn't count)

... and all those previous boss fights required the usual take cover, shoot, etc. you've been doing throughout the game; and, at the time, those fights were pretty tantamount to the story's progression.  I mean, getting TO the core of the Reaper base and fighting TIM should be at least, if not MORE difficult, than fighting the human reaper.  Instead, you get a magic space gun and a conversation with a god child.

Modifié par M U P P 3 T Z, 10 mars 2012 - 06:11 .

[humes spork]

Beast919 wrote...

That and the whole minor detail of re-entry as the debris fields of the citadel crashed into the earth.  I mean, his helmet will protect his brain at least.  Right?  Oh...he wasn't wearing a helmet in space, that's right.

You know, the more I think about it the more I really am beginning to wonder about it. It would be absolutely ludicrous if this was a fake ending, and the real ending is going to be online pass/alliance network free DLC in the vein of Zaeed and/or firewalker. 

That'd certainly be a hell of a way to fake out the game information leaks, and entirely consistent with EA's ongoing "beat the resale market at all costs" policy. And given EA's really bad publicity stunts, it's right up their alley when it comes to hacking off fans beyond recognition.

[Pasicrates]

I'm not sure if this has been mentioned yet, but this is very possible seeing the "special" ending where the N7 armor takes the deep breath, at least I think, it could be that he was knocked out by the Reaper blast. It would make more sense that he was still on Earth than if the Citadel crashed down and he lived.

[Odd Bet]

k8ee wrote...

I just can't imagine they would leave it so swiss cheese like that without realizing it.

Even their dialogue on board the citadel is suspect... and why does Shep have communications with Anderson, but no one else? A, yes Hacket, we've made it on board the Citadel, would have been helpful. And if Shep got no answer, it would be easier to assume he/she was dreaming.

Not to mention Shepard doesn't even bother to see if anyone else is alive after the blast. What's the first thing he does after the fight with the Reaper baby, after diving to save a squad member and everyone falls unconscious? He runs to make sure his squad is ok and helps them up.

[Eumerin]

Sereaph502 wrote...

Let's not forget that there really wasn't a final boss battle. ME1 had one, ME2 had one, ME3 doesn't have one. (The fight on TIM's base doesn't count)

According to the art book in the Collector's Edition, TIM was supposed to be a boss battle.  He would have been heavily modified, allowing him to go up against Shepard.  But a decision was made to have the confrontation be with TIM as you'd always known him - i.e. the guy with the glowing eyes.

[Beast919]

Sereaph502 wrote...

Let's not forget that there really wasn't a final boss battle. ME1 had one, ME2 had one, ME3 doesn't have one. (The fight on TIM's base doesn't count)

Speaking thematically, part of the reason this ending is gettin such bad juju is its such a departure from the typical Bioware story arc process.  I don't really even have a big beef with the choices (they're absurd, but honestly, to me, all science fiction almost inevitable falls prey to Space Magic of some kind), its the delivery.   Its way too weird.  On so many levels.

Hackett calls for help intercepting Harbinger - nothing is shown, not even a failed attempt (and we can infer, since Harbinger heads towards earth with more than one Reaper, yet only Harbinger makes it to shoot at Shepard, that SOMETHING occured to slow down the reapers)

Shepard wakes up and moves towards the beam of light, listening to his forces panic and freak out - doesn't once try to communicate with them. 

Shepard either walks past the corspes of his squad, or they're conspiciously absent - not once does he mention this, not even to Anderson when he starts talking.  Anderson doesn't even ask, or offer his sorrows for their loss, nothing.

There's the distinct lack of interaction with Harbinger/Shepard.  We can infer that Harbinger would shoot first, talk later due to the importance of the situation, but he doesn't even talk later, just leaves. 

When talking to the God Kid, Shepard has concerns about society, but not about his squad.  Multiple times throuhgout the game you've been asked why you're doing this, why you're fighting so hard, and in my personal case, I would point to Tali - to give her a homeworld, due to our love, what have you.  But when presented with all 3 choices Shepard doesn't once ask about Tali.

There are even obvious parallels between ME1 & ME3.  You are rushing, downhill, towards a beam of light taking you to the Citadel (Uh...yeah, that one is pretty obvious).  You get to the Citadel where you come to a central platform, and face down your Nemesis (In this case, TIM, obviously).  You have a chance to talk your opponent into Suicide to re-take his honor, just like Saren.  But there's no followthrough.

Its....too generic.  Too thematic without personalization. There's a message they're trying to get across, rather than a conclusion to a story you helped develop.  I have faith in Bioware not being *that* dense.  Not after the scenes they showed leading up to that.  Even if they went off the deep end and  those really were the choices you were saddled with, there would be a SHRED of character involved in it.  

[k8ee]

I really want to believe it. I want to believe they did this because the ending was leaked. Or because they ran out of space on the discs... or even EA and their desire to beat the resale value debate.

But now the more I think about it, the less convinced I am that BW has the balls to devastate everyone and then lift them back up again. Could they possibly be that sneaky? And what about all those people who don't play ME3 with an internet connection? What do they get?

[humes spork]

Beast919 wrote...

Its....too generic.  Too thematic without personalization. There's a message they're trying to get across, rather than a conclusion to a story you helped develop.  I have faith in Bioware not being *that* dense.  Not after the scenes they showed leading up to that.  Even if they went off the deep end and  those really were the choices you were saddled with, there would be a SHRED of character involved in it.  

Not to mention that on the meta level, between the script leak and the space editions, somebody at BW or EA had to have the forethought to realize information was going to leak out like a sieve. Plus BW and EA have been really quiet about free content releases to online pass holders, which is something BW and EA to their credit have been pretty good about (the Battlefield games and Cerberus network spring immediately to mind).

[mupp3tz]

... OR the could do the FF route and release a Mass Effect 3 II, which picks up after you recovering from the debris. I'd totes buy it.  Thus, making ME3 part 1 of 2.  Yay?

Modifié par M U P P 3 T Z, 10 mars 2012 - 06:27 .

[k8ee]

I just can't understand why they would destroy a universe they can still make money on.

And as for the endings... does this mean there is no way to lose? I mean, sure earth gets destroyed if you don't have enough forces, but is there a way for the reapers to succeed on a galactic scale?