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[BlackDragonBane]

I also recall Catalyst saying 'We know you want to destroy us' when he presents the destruction choice first, and then tags on that all synthetics would be destroyed. The only thing keeping my Shepard from choosing that option was the fear of wiping out the Geth and EDI.

That line just seems odd that Catalyst would immediately make the destruction option sound like the bad choice.

Modifié par BlackDragonBane, 11 mars 2012 - 08:23 .

[ceruleancrescent]

mentosman8 wrote...

Seriously, since i thought of this then found the thread, all these points and everything just really CAN'T be on accident. Like, I know it's far fetched, but not only would this be an epic way to fully connect us with our Shepard, but there are so many signs(and the fact that you need a PERFECT ending to get the easter-egg-like scene that is really the springboard for all of this) that it just can't be on accident. If BW comes out and says that the endings presented were the real endings and this is all wrong, I literally won't be able to accept it XD

Also I mentioned it a ways back but it didn't see much discussion: Shepard can barely walk from the time he stands up from the blast, yet if you choose synthesis, he literally all-out SPRINTS down the path and leaps into the light like there's nothing wrong with him. If it's not a dream, how can he suddenly not be bogged down by his injuries at that point?

@above: He says it will destroy all synthetics, and points out that you are a large portion synthetic, which implies that it would destroy a huge part of Shep, which would for all intents and purposes put him back to crashed-on-planet state of dead.

THIS. I also think with Destroy ending, Shepard shoots the conduit but continues to maintain a slower, steady walking pace. I could be wrong though, I'd have to re-watch it.

[vengerturtle]

I have a question - if this theory is true, what's happening out in the "real" world while Shep is having his hallucinations? Like how does the choice he makes in his head affect what happens to the Reapers if the beams of light are hallucinations and don't actually do anything? Is the Crucible even a real weapon? I think I must have missed that in all the pages.

[Ver_Vako]

i had a theory that the endings could be a mind trick by reapers to stop Shepard until they could kill him on the citadel.

[Yuzna75]

I really hope you guys are right, I really do. It just feels lazy, all of it. Bioware has always made a big deal out of decisions but the hardly ever deliver, and so far this ending is right in line with that. This just feels too much like the abomination that was DA2 right now and I am still pissed at how it all ended. So yeah, I really hope you guys are right but all the evidence so far can either be explained by scew-ups or just coincidental. There is yet to be something concrete and if this really is the case I hope that bioware releases the dlc soon, otherwise it will just seem like they realized they f-ed up and is trying to cover it up. As for now I just feel like I got invested in another lost.

[ceruleancrescent]

krystalevenstar wrote...

I'm really surprised no one has mentioned this quote from Mike Gamble yet;
In a recent interview with 360 Magazine, the game’s producer Mike Gamble and discussed how the studio approached the story of ME3.

"There are many ways to end Shepard’s story, right? I wouldn’t necessarily say ending Shepard’s story means one thing or the other, like life or death or whatever. It comes to a conclusion and how you get to that conclusion.

There a risks involved in how you get there or how you completely not get there. As in the previous games, you’ll make a decision and you’ll see the outcome and there are huge risks to all of those decisions. It’s not cut and dry.

There are many different endings. We wouldn’t do it any other way. How could you go through all three campaigns playing as your Shepard and then be forced into a bespoke ending that everyone gets? But I can’t say any more than that…"

But right now, that's exacty what's happened. There is barely a difference between the three endings. No, I'm convinved Bioware is trolling us hard right now. Look at the frenzy it's put us into, and imagine if next week they can say, 'Hey, there's a system update for ME3.... maybe you all should go check it out ' and it's like a 2 GB real ending to the game. Then they also get to tote how big of a bang ME went out on.

^^All of this

[omgBAMF]

missnicolec wrote...

I have a question - if this theory is true, what's happening out in the "real" world while Shep is having his hallucinations? Like how does the choice he makes in his head affect what happens to the Reapers if the beams of light are hallucinations and don't actually do anything? Is the Crucible even a real weapon? I think I must have missed that in all the pages.

theoretically, everything that happens in the "dream" could only last a minute or so in the "real world".  Shep breaks the hold on his mind, wakes up, and finishes the mission by activating the crucible.  What the crucible ultimately does would still be completely left in the open.

[Terraforming2154]

Ellestor wrote...

Ultra Prism wrote...

I believe it is as you get see the shepard grasping for breath after normandy cutscene in destroy ending...suggesting that he broke free of indoctrination

I actually think that's the successful indoctrination ending, given that in order to reach it you need to buy that the best way to defeat the Reapers is to do what they want: destroy the Crucible, synthetics, and spacefaring civilizations. After all, why would Harbinger kill a successfully indoctrinated Shepard?

Honestly, I had a hard time believing anything that the Catalyst was saying at that point.

I certainly didn't believe him saying that Shepard could control the reapers, so maybe he wasn't right about destroying all synthetic life. And honestly, laying such a heavy charge at my Shepard's feet gave me pause before picking the Destroy choice because the game let me see Legion and EDI's self-actualization. The two other options seemed so...easy? Convenient, maybe? Of course they meant Shepard's death and while her death meant something to me, it seemed very small in the grand scheme of things. The destroy option focuses on the goal of destroying the Reapers and their tech, but also heavily pushes the loss of what a choice would cost. That was strange.

[oh_saki]

missnicolec wrote...

I have a question - if this theory is true, what's happening out in the "real" world while Shep is having his hallucinations? Like how does the choice he makes in his head affect what happens to the Reapers if the beams of light are hallucinations and don't actually do anything? Is the Crucible even a real weapon? I think I must have missed that in all the pages.

I think the standing theory right now is since Shep's been knocked out, he's being indoctrinated. The choice you make (destruction, synthesis, control) determines whether your Shep falls to the indoc. Choosing destruction means he doesn't get indoctrinated since that seems to be the only one where you get the extra cinematic where Shepard takes a breath.

[Fat Headed Wolf]

Seriously though, wouldn't there be a.... what's the correct scientific term? Oh, yes, crapload. Wouldn't their be a crapload of rage over this (especially if it must be paid for)? Don't get me wrong, I'd buy it in a heartbeat, but I still think we'd see it.

Even if it is free, the rage will still be there, no? People complaining that this should have been in the final game to people complaining about those who do not have internet access on consoles.

Modifié par Fat Headed Wolf, 11 mars 2012 - 08:30 .

[metllicat12811]

well my shep lived so obviously there has to be explanation dlc

[littleork]

omgBAMF wrote...

missnicolec wrote...

I have a question - if this theory is true, what's happening out in the "real" world while Shep is having his hallucinations? Like how does the choice he makes in his head affect what happens to the Reapers if the beams of light are hallucinations and don't actually do anything? Is the Crucible even a real weapon? I think I must have missed that in all the pages.

theoretically, everything that happens in the "dream" could only last a minute or so in the "real world".  Shep breaks the hold on his mind, wakes up, and finishes the mission by activating the crucible.  What the crucible ultimately does would still be completely left in the open.

I think the decision you make in your hallucination could also have an effect on the real world, choosing controls give an advantage to the reaper, synthesis does the same or keep it neutral and red gives shepard an advantage since she kept her resolve.So your military force could change depending of the choices you did in there. Or it could have been just a really fast dream.

Modifié par littleork, 11 mars 2012 - 08:32 .

[Terraforming2154]

Fat Headed Wolf wrote...

Seriously though, would there be a.... what's the correct scientific term? Oh, yes, crapload. Wouldn't their be a crapload of rage over this (especially if it must be paid for)? Don't get me wrong, I'd buy it in a heartbeat, but I still think we'd see it.

Even if it is free, the rage will still be there, no? People complaining that this should have been in the final game to people complaining about those who do not have internet access on consoles.

Hmm, that's a good point. I hadn't really thought how this type of ending could happen if it really existed. That would cause a big upset.

[omgBAMF]

Fat Headed Wolf wrote...

Seriously though, would there be a.... what's the correct scientific term? Oh, yes, crapload. Wouldn't their be a crapload of rage over this (especially if it must be paid for)? Don't get me wrong, I'd buy it in a heartbeat, but I still think we'd see it.

Even if it is free, the rage will still be there, no? People complaining that this should have been in the final game to people complaining about those who do not have internet access on consoles.

I'm sure there would be complainers, and TB would make another video about it.  However, if this was Bio's intent all along, AND they actually pull it off... ME3 (and the entire trilogy) would be remembered for a very long time.

i'm not sure about the console-no-internet thing, but I thought you needed a connection to even play ME3 (synching with ANN and all that) afaik, you wouldn't need an XBOX gold account if you aren't playing multiplayer.

Modifié par omgBAMF, 11 mars 2012 - 08:32 .

[Yuzna75]

Fat Headed Wolf wrote...

Seriously though, wouldn't there be a.... what's the correct scientific term? Oh, yes, crapload. Wouldn't their be a crapload of rage over this (especially if it must be paid for)? Don't get me wrong, I'd buy it in a heartbeat, but I still think we'd see it.

Even if it is free, the rage will still be there, no? People complaining that this should have been in the final game to people complaining about those who do not have internet access on consoles.

Ofcourse there will be rage, this is the internet after all. I can see it justified to some extent, since people were really invested in these games and bioware knows that.

[BlackDragonBane]

omgBAMF wrote...

Fat Headed Wolf wrote...

Seriously though, would there be a.... what's the correct scientific term? Oh, yes, crapload. Wouldn't their be a crapload of rage over this (especially if it must be paid for)? Don't get me wrong, I'd buy it in a heartbeat, but I still think we'd see it.

Even if it is free, the rage will still be there, no? People complaining that this should have been in the final game to people complaining about those who do not have internet access on consoles.

I'm sure there would be complainers, and TB would make another video about it.  However, if this was Bio's intent all along, AND they actually pull it off... ME3 (and the entire trilogy) would be remembered for a very long time.

A very good point.

[LadyVakarian]

Niemack Saarinen wrote...
- If you notice while walking up the ramp to get to the control panel on the left side it says 1M1..on the right it says 1M1 but its backwards- the 1's are completely mirrored and backwards. Logic: in this dream: whats RIGHT is skewed, its wrong, its not REAL. 

I know that I am far behind in quoting this, but Niemack Saarinen speaks the truth: (sorry for the bad quality, can from a low res youtube vid)


 hmm... tricky Bioware! 

[oh_saki]

Fat Headed Wolf wrote...

Seriously though, would there be a.... what's the correct scientific term? Oh, yes, crapload. Wouldn't their be a crapload of rage over this (especially if it must be paid for)? Don't get me wrong, I'd buy it in a heartbeat, but I still think we'd see it.

Even if it is free, the rage will still be there, no? People complaining that this should have been in the final game to people complaining about those who do not have internet access on consoles.

Yeah I mentioned this earlier, similar to the Fallout 3 DLC. I played Fallout 3 when it came out and loved it but was sad by having to die at the end. I never played the game since and just found out yesterday there was a DLC that allowed your PC to live after the ending. If this is part of a big scheme to release the REAL ending in a few weeks or something, then Bioware is playing with a loaded gun here.

[Phrolex]

I'm impressed at your assumption Byne, and I hope they release a dlc for this.

[Outlaw704]

Wow Kloborgg711 tried his best to derail this thread... Arrival was the true ending to ME 2, it was a paid DLC, so that destroys any argument that you have that bioware wouldn't ship the ending with the disc despite people who have xbox's/PC's/PS3's without internet lol

[mahlerbone]

keginkc wrote...

It would be hilarious if you wake up, but not in London. On Eden Prime. And the entire trilogy was the dream from the beacon.

of if you actually wake up on the citadel...right after beating saren.

[Fat Headed Wolf]

LadyVakarian wrote...

Niemack Saarinen wrote...
- If you notice while walking up the ramp to get to the control panel on the left side it says 1M1..on the right it says 1M1 but its backwards- the 1's are completely mirrored and backwards. Logic: in this dream: whats RIGHT is skewed, its wrong, its not REAL. 

I know that I am far behind in quoting this, but Niemack Saarinen speaks the truth: (sorry for the bad quality, can from a low res youtube vid)


 hmm... tricky Bioware! 

Sorry, but I don't want to search the many pages of this thread to see so could I just ask? How exactly does this image help the "dream/hallucination" theory. No joke. I am just that lazy. Is it due to the mirrored image?

[BlackDragonBane]

LadyVakarian wrote...

Niemack Saarinen wrote...
- If you notice while walking up the ramp to get to the control panel on the left side it says 1M1..on the right it says 1M1 but its backwards- the 1's are completely mirrored and backwards. Logic: in this dream: whats RIGHT is skewed, its wrong, its not REAL. 

I know that I am far behind in quoting this, but Niemack Saarinen speaks the truth: (sorry for the bad quality, can from a low res youtube vid)


 hmm... tricky Bioware! 

Never caught that before, that is really really strange. Makes me curious.

[Turtlicious]

LadyVakarian wrote...

Niemack Saarinen wrote...
- If you notice while walking up the ramp to get to the control panel on the left side it says 1M1..on the right it says 1M1 but its backwards- the 1's are completely mirrored and backwards. Logic: in this dream: whats RIGHT is skewed, its wrong, its not REAL. 

I know that I am far behind in quoting this, but Niemack Saarinen speaks the truth: (sorry for the bad quality, can from a low res youtube vid)


 hmm... tricky Bioware! 

God, please stop, I don't need to get all happy, because if we're wrong...

Well, It'll be the worst thing ever since the Crystal Skull.

[Yuzna75]

Outlaw704 wrote...

Wow Kloborgg711 tried his best to derail this thread... Arrival was the true ending to ME 2, it was a paid DLC, so that destroys any argument that you have that bioware wouldn't ship the ending with the disc despite people who have xbox's/PC's/PS3's without internet lol

Well, you could be fine with the ending in ME 2 without playing the DLC. This can't really be said for ME 3, cause if this was all a dream it didn't really end, where as in ME 2 you actually had an end with extra stuff added at the end.