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[MissOuJ]

kent80082006 wrote...

BiO_MaN wrote...

Actually it is a bit dumb. They could just talk to us about the endings on this forum section, where spoilers are allowed... Instead we get this damn teasing from Jessica Merizan on twitter ...

...oh god that didnt sound right what is this...

Because any bit of extra information they leak out will not be confined to this forum, it will spread like wildfire and by tomorrow half of the people playing this game will know

Pretty much this. Particularly since the whole ending shebang has gotten so much attention in the gaming media. I don't think they can do anything except keep quiet. Although they could also just be listening and testing the waters...

Anyway, I think we get to wait a little bit longer for any substantial commentary.

[arkhine]

Lugaidster wrote...
I'd be pretty happy. They did make my life hell for a few days, but it's a pretty good way to experience the game for real. If the theory is true and they deliver a DLC I just can't imagine how it could go after waking up. I'm not expecting gameplay though, just an epilogue. 

Cheers

Would love something more than this too, if just for more Mass Effect. The feeling of hollowness after the ME trilogy ended... it'll take a while to get over.

[MysticBinary82]

Erethrian wrote...

MysticBinary82 wrote...

Midna Shepard wrote...

 This is the original concept of the ending by Mac Walters. This is from the new iOS app "The Final Hours". 

MysticBinary82 wrote...

Hi guys and gals how is it going?

I just woke up and thought things over. Many said, that the facts in ME final hour would lead to the conclusion, that there where no indoctrination cause it was nowhere written down on that piece of paper. Well that is not true. He wrote something about the Matrix.

The Matrix is a way for maschins to CONTROL humans. It is a DREAMWORLD. An AI/Agent can also ASSUME DIRECT CONTROL over a human/its projection in the Matrix.
That would mean they are not comparing the end of the third Matrix film with ME3s ending. No it is the beginning of the first one when Neo takes the Red Pill.

If someone already pointed this out, than sorry.

I still hold the line.

that is my conclusion

Mine too, that has to mean something. For me, the indoctrination theory works, and makes sense.

Yes and isn't Indoctrination a way of controling people?

[Uezurii]

Erethrian wrote...

MysticBinary82 wrote...

Midna Shepard wrote...

 This is the original concept of the ending by Mac Walters. This is from the new iOS app "The Final Hours". 

MysticBinary82 wrote...

Hi guys and gals how is it going?

I just woke up and thought things over. Many said, that the facts in ME final hour would lead to the conclusion, that there where no indoctrination cause it was nowhere written down on that piece of paper. Well that is not true. He wrote something about the Matrix.

The Matrix is a way for maschins to CONTROL humans. It is a DREAMWORLD. An AI/Agent can also ASSUME DIRECT CONTROL over a human/its projection in the Matrix.
That would mean they are not comparing the end of the third Matrix film with ME3s ending. No it is the beginning of the first one when Neo takes the Red Pill.

If someone already pointed this out, than sorry.

I still hold the line.

that is my conclusion

Mine too, that has to mean something. For me, the indoctrination theory works, and makes sense.

Same here, and also, people have to consider there can be many more notes like this that came before it and after it. Even if this would be his last scribble, he just put it down like that to remember the idea and work it out later. It's something a lot of writers do, even I do so when creating a comic.

[Elscotto1989]

arkhine wrote...

Lugaidster wrote...
I'd be pretty happy. They did make my life hell for a few days, but it's a pretty good way to experience the game for real. If the theory is true and they deliver a DLC I just can't imagine how it could go after waking up. I'm not expecting gameplay though, just an epilogue. 

Cheers

Would love something more than this too, if just for more Mass Effect. The feeling of hollowness after the ME trilogy ended... it'll take a while to get over.

lets just say that if things arent improved from there current situation then bioware is going to take a loss in sales for the next couple of years due to discarded loyalty...forbes is right on this one. and the fact that a economic magazine is talking about it should something.

[ComfortablyNumb]

Serlith_ wrote...

While we wait for official news, I'm going to install and beat the ME1. At least the plot held together.

Exactly what I'm doing 

[kyg_20X6]

About the wait for info...

If they revealed that you're indoctrinated the people who haven't played won't get to experience the mind-****. They'll go into that final part knowing it for what it is and the scene wouldn't have the desired effect (if we're correct).

Maybe.

[Spectre-61]

About the ending. If BW wants to publish more ME games with the current ending it has to be a prequel, right.
I mean a Mass Effect without mass relays and without the citadel!?
That's just no Mass Effect in my eyes.

[arkhine]

kyg_20X6 wrote...

About the wait for info...

If they revealed that you're indoctrinated the people who haven't played won't get to experience the mind-****. They'll go into that final part knowing it for what it is and the scene wouldn't have the desired effect (if we're correct).

Maybe.

That is a good point but pretty risky.

[Eudaemonium]

kyg_20X6 wrote...

About the wait for info...

If they revealed that you're indoctrinated the people who haven't played won't get to experience the mind-****. They'll go into that final part knowing it for what it is and the scene wouldn't have the desired effect (if we're correct).

Maybe.

You can really say this about any medium with a mind-screw finale, though. If Bioware decides to run with Indoc./dream theory (regardless of whether they planned it) the effect will be lost later because people will be like "ME3 has that awesome indoctrination ending scene" and recalling the days when the internet raged over the supposed end.

[Serlith_]

Eudaemonium wrote...

kyg_20X6 wrote...

About the wait for info...

If they revealed that you're indoctrinated the people who haven't played won't get to experience the mind-****. They'll go into that final part knowing it for what it is and the scene wouldn't have the desired effect (if we're correct).

Maybe.

You can really say this about any medium with a mind-screw finale, though. If Bioware decides to run with Indoc./dream theory (regardless of whether they planned it) the effect will be lost later because people will be like "ME3 has that awesome indoctrination ending scene" and recalling the days when the internet raged over the supposed end.

The thing is to surprise AS MANY people as they can. If the indoc theory is true, they are bound to wait. For better effect. Mass effect.

[Earthborn_Shepard]

I love the massive pressure BioWare must be feeling.. reading posts like "if indoc is true, I'll worship them and feed them money and have their children.. but if not.. burn in hell!"

[lex0r11]

Serlith_ wrote...

Eudaemonium wrote...

kyg_20X6 wrote...

About the wait for info...

If they revealed that you're indoctrinated the people who haven't played won't get to experience the mind-****. They'll go into that final part knowing it for what it is and the scene wouldn't have the desired effect (if we're correct).

Maybe.

You can really say this about any medium with a mind-screw finale, though. If Bioware decides to run with Indoc./dream theory (regardless of whether they planned it) the effect will be lost later because people will be like "ME3 has that awesome indoctrination ending scene" and recalling the days when the internet raged over the supposed end.

The thing is to surprise AS MANY people as they can. If the indoc theory is true, they are bound to wait. For better effect. Mass effect.

youtu.be/a1Y73sPHKxw

[Lugaidster]

Eudaemonium wrote...

kyg_20X6 wrote...

About the wait for info...

If they revealed that you're indoctrinated the people who haven't played won't get to experience the mind-****. They'll go into that final part knowing it for what it is and the scene wouldn't have the desired effect (if we're correct).

Maybe.

You can really say this about any medium with a mind-screw finale, though. If Bioware decides to run with Indoc./dream theory (regardless of whether they planned it) the effect will be lost later because people will be like "ME3 has that awesome indoctrination ending scene" and recalling the days when the internet raged over the supposed end.

The surprise effect is always lost on everything after the surprise. Doesn't make the surprise less fantastic.

[Serlith_]

lex0r11 wrote...

Serlith_ wrote...

Eudaemonium wrote...

kyg_20X6 wrote...

About the wait for info...

If they revealed that you're indoctrinated the people who haven't played won't get to experience the mind-****. They'll go into that final part knowing it for what it is and the scene wouldn't have the desired effect (if we're correct).

Maybe.

You can really say this about any medium with a mind-screw finale, though. If Bioware decides to run with Indoc./dream theory (regardless of whether they planned it) the effect will be lost later because people will be like "ME3 has that awesome indoctrination ending scene" and recalling the days when the internet raged over the supposed end.

The thing is to surprise AS MANY people as they can. If the indoc theory is true, they are bound to wait. For better effect. Mass effect.

youtu.be/a1Y73sPHKxw

My exact purpose of putting it that way.

[Unholy Misery]

I personally don't think that the indoctrination theory is true as it is a bigger kick in the balls than the already bad ending as they are saying we released a game with a horrible ending on purpose and we are backing it up saying that its good, then we release DLC with a new ending and make people pay for it or wait for something that should've been completed in the first place.

[kyg_20X6]

variobunz wrote...

About the ending. If BW wants to publish more ME games with the current ending it has to be a prequel, right.
I mean a Mass Effect without mass relays and without the citadel!?
That's just no Mass Effect in my eyes.

Exactly! If they become stubbon and stick with what they've got, they lose a hell of a lot. If they decide (or were already planning) DLC, they can repair a good deal of the damage. You know they're gonna make DLC, they've said as much; you might as well make DLC that makes everyone happy.

If I was them, and was happy with that ending, I'd still tell everyone to get to work on a DLC ASAP because this is all very damaging. BW sit on a knife's edge. We were all angry after finishing the game but now we've come up with something that might give hope. If they string us along for weeks, feeding us through Twitter, egging us on, only to announce nothing will change... well, it won't be pretty.

I find it hard to believe BW can be that stupid.

The only solution to ME3's ending is indoctrination (or something similar).
The only answer to BW's woes is DLC. Happy consumers = happy companies.

[Earthborn_Shepard]

I gotta wonder.. why did BioWare feel the need to go all mysterious in the last few minutes? That's really risky on its own. They're not stupid, they gotta know that a "happy ending" with a fat Reaper boss fight and some epilogue would have made at least 80% of their customers happy. Instead they come up with some confusing philosophy stuff. I don't see any kind of logic in that, except that they are really planning to mind**** us.

[Cloud Varis]

Unholy Misery wrote...

I personally don't think that the indoctrination theory is true as it is a bigger kick in the balls than the already bad ending as they are saying we released a game with a horrible ending on purpose and we are backing it up saying that its good, then we release DLC with a new ending and make people pay for it or wait for something that should've been completed in the first place.

Saying something like "wait for something that should've been completed in the first place " is a little narrow-minded. If this whole indoctrination theory is true, it's an incredibly devious, almost ingenious way to finish the story - leaving us with this puzzle to figure out for a while before dishing out the curve ball. It would make the current ending the opposite of horrible - it would make it borderline amazing, once we realize how it truly fits into the story.

On the other hand, if the indoctrination theory is wrong, then the writing is god-aweful and Bioware missed a great many things they shouldn't have. (Human structure on an unknown part of the citadel, EDI showing up in the end cutscene of the "destroy" option if she was with you on the last mission, Shep obtaining a gunshot wound from himself, Shep showing up alive on Earth with no explanation of how he got there after the citadel exploded....
I'd rather believe they're ingenious until they prove otherwise. If they DO prove otherwise, so be it.

And I think everyone agress that if the DLC is a paid DLC, there'll be hell to pay.

[Spectre-61]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

I gotta wonder.. why did BioWare feel the need to go all mysterious in the last few minutes? That's really risky on its own. They're not stupid, they gotta know that a "happy ending" with a fat Reaper boss fight and some epilogue would have made at least 80% of their customers happy. Instead they come up with some confusing philosophy stuff. I don't see any kind of logic in that, except that they are really planning to mind**** us.

Maybe that was their intension, to make it memorable and let people discuss about this "ending".

And yes, I think so, too.

BW is going to mind**** the **** out of us all!

[PhazeDelta1]

mrufka_z wrote...

Serlith_ wrote...

While we wait for official news, I'm going to install and beat the ME1. At least the plot held together.

Exactly what I'm doing 

already doing that. 

[MissOuJ]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

I gotta wonder.. why did BioWare feel the need to go all mysterious in the last few minutes? That's really risky on its own. They're not stupid, they gotta know that a "happy ending" with a fat Reaper boss fight and some epilogue would have made at least 80% of their customers happy. Instead they come up with some confusing philosophy stuff. I don't see any kind of logic in that, except that they are really planning to mind**** us.

I read somewhere (not really a reliable source since it was talking about free end-game DLC, but anyway) that the ending is what it is because of the leak. Don't know if I actually believe it, since the leak happened well after the final script should've been approved (I think...? I can't quite remember when the leak happened exactly) but if that's the case, it kind of sucks.

Altho the altertenative dark energy ending some people have been talking about wouldn't have been any better in my opinnion...

Modifié par MissOuJ, 16 mars 2012 - 11:34 .

[LadyWench]

variobunz wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

I gotta wonder.. why did BioWare feel the need to go all mysterious in the last few minutes? That's really risky on its own. They're not stupid, they gotta know that a "happy ending" with a fat Reaper boss fight and some epilogue would have made at least 80% of their customers happy. Instead they come up with some confusing philosophy stuff. I don't see any kind of logic in that, except that they are really planning to mind**** us.

Maybe that was their intension, to make it memorable and let people discuss about this "ending".

And yes, I think so, too.

BW is going to mind**** the **** out of us all!

LOL, "going" to? Mind**** accomplished, if these forums are any indication!

[LadyWench]

MissOuJ wrote...

I read somewhere (not really a reliable source since it was talking about free end-game DLC, but anyway) that the ending is what it is because of the leak. Don't know if I actually believe it, since the leak happened well after the final script should've been approved (I think...? I can't quite remember when the leak happened exactly) but if that's the case, it kind of sucks.

Altho the altertenative black energy ending some people have been talking about wouldn't have been any better in my opinnion...

They DID seem to be dropping a ton of hints about all those suns and the dark energy that just never got even a passing mention in ME3. I did wonder about that, too. Odd that it was somewhat important in ME2 (WTH was Tali wasting her time and squad for then) and then you neeeeever heard anything about it ever again, lol. I guess major war has a way of distracting you from weirdly dying stars?

[lex0r11]

more and more japanese players complaining on their boards about the ending.

it has begun.