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Was the ending a hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory


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Outlaw704

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Don't know if this was posted before, but I think this conversation was the framework for the god child conversation in shepards head



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Earthborn_Shepard

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RAGE LEVEL: ASIAN

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sargon1986

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So I guess after the Japanese join our war effort we will have enough war assets for the final push on Bioware. :P

Hold the line!

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Earthborn_Shepard

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sargon1986 wrote...

So I guess after the Japanese join our war effort we will have enough war assets for the final push on Bioware. :P

Hold the line!


War Asset gained: Angry Japanese players!

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Shallyah

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Outlaw704 wrote...

Don't know if this was posted before, but I think this conversation was the framework for the god child conversation in shepards head



Yeah, I had noticed this. In fact, this is as close as it gets to the evidence that choosing "synthesis" ending is bad.

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We got them Kai Leng Ninjas now mane

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Earthborn_Shepard

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Hepatitis P wrote...

We got them Kai Leng Ninjas now mane


Yeah...

"DLC or we cry, those are the options!"

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One thing that nobody seems to have mentioned which I think is a major point to support the indoctrination theory is this:

The Stargazer/child scene plays after every ending. They say the same things no matter which option you choose.

Now although we laugh about how the endings were very much the same, the outcomes would lead to a very different universe.

Take for example if you chose Synthesis- all organic and snythetic DNA is merged causing a massive change in the future compared to the 'destroy' option for example.

The stagazer mentions that it all happned a long time ago, well if it did, gigantic changes to the universe like the endings would make it MASSIVELY unlikely that this scene would be the same after every ending.

In one ending, that boy might not ever be born- in another he is half synthetic!

This to me proves that they weren't the real endings. The stargazer scene IS real- it just happens after an ending we haven't seen yet (e.g. shepard wakes up and saves the universe).

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Not sure if this was brought up, but...

When you shoot TIM and he's on the ground, saying how beautiful Earth is... his eyes are normal. No orbs, no special lines. They're a sold, bright blue color.

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Merc UK wrote...

One thing that nobody seems to have mentioned which I think is a major point to support the indoctrination theory is this:

The Stargazer/child scene plays after every ending. They say the same things no matter which option you choose.

Now although we laugh about how the endings were very much the same, the outcomes would lead to a very different universe.

Take for example if you chose Synthesis- all organic and snythetic DNA is merged causing a massive change in the future compared to the 'destroy' option for example.

The stagazer mentions that it all happned a long time ago, well if it did, gigantic changes to the universe like the endings would make it MASSIVELY unlikely that this scene would be the same after every ending.

In one ending, that boy might not ever be born- in another he is half synthetic!

This to me proves that they weren't the real endings. The stargazer scene IS real- it just happens after an ending we haven't seen yet (e.g. shepard wakes up and saves the universe).


Yes.

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Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

RAGE LEVEL: ASIAN


I'm Asian...

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lex0r11 wrote...

more and more japanese players complaining on their boards about the ending.

it has begun.


??? Where?

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Earthborn_Shepard

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arkhine wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

RAGE LEVEL: ASIAN


I'm Asian...


Hi there Kai Leng!

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Earthborn_Shepard wrote...
Hi there Kai Leng!


<_< 

I'm lucky I live in Malaysia, we get the same release date as the US AND a lot of pre-order goodies.

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FrostByte-GER wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

more and more japanese players complaining on their boards about the ending.

it has begun.


??? Where?


Then we should point them in the direction of the indoctrination/hallucination theory. Someone needs to translated it and send it over.

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Jade8aby88 wrote...

This is Bioware showing us what real-life indoctrination might feel like.


Exactly.  Exactly!  That's the point of all this.  They're going above and beyond the call of duty to give us a more in-depth experience than a video game could while thinking inside the box.  Only by making us think that really was the end could we really be fooled by the Reapers' mind games.  If the ending was included, we'd have just went "oh, that wasn't real?  damnit, now I have to go back to a save 5 minutes earlier and pick the right option to continue."  This way... this way it has weight and meaning.  It is a risk though, and I certainly hope it pays off for them.  And I hope for every complainer that whines about having to download a big patch, there's another customer that appreciates the epic mind**** we've been given at significant financial risk.

pharsti wrote...

Nop, not an hallucination, just an overdose of your imagination kicking into "ending construct mode!"

Seriously thou, on topic, no, the ending is what you saw, literally what you saw, stop trying to come up with crazy theories worse than what you already got >_>

I guess a lot of peoples imagination was capable of somehow piece together something that left them WITHOUT any sort of ending and still somehow satisfied, weird, but you cant argue with imagination can you.



See, this is one way you can tell how solid the theory is.  We're rarely getting disbelievers who make any attempt at rational debate of evidence.  Almost all we get is this "lol no it's not, cuz I'm right cuz I said so" trite.

kyg_20X6 wrote...

About the wait for info...

If they revealed that you're indoctrinated the people who haven't played won't get to experience the mind-****. They'll go into that final part knowing it for what it is and the scene wouldn't have the desired effect (if we're correct).

Maybe.


Also: This.  As much as we're itching to see the rest of it, if they do the big reveal now it won't affect as many fans.

Modifié par Rifneno, 16 mars 2012 - 11:58 .


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FrostByte-GER

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LolaLei wrote...

FrostByte-GER wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

more and more japanese players complaining on their boards about the ending.

it has begun.


??? Where?


Then we should point them in the direction of the indoctrination/hallucination theory. Someone needs to translated it and send it over.



Then please start the translation xD I can't speak and write in the japanese language :D I tried it but have no enough time to learn it :P

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Hahaha did anyone see PA today?

http://penny-arcade....omic/2012/03/16

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LolaLei

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FrostByte-GER wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

FrostByte-GER wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

more and more japanese players complaining on their boards about the ending.

it has begun.


??? Where?


Then we should point them in the direction of the indoctrination/hallucination theory. Someone needs to translated it and send it over.



Then please start the translation xD I can't speak and write in the japanese language :D I tried it but have no enough time to learn it :P



Lol I would if I could.

I should really look into learning a different language.

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arkhine wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

RAGE LEVEL: ASIAN


I'm Asian...

LOL, beat me to it.
Btw, I dunno if anyone has mentioned this before, but what if the theory is correct( and I totally believe it is), and Bioware just wants us to conclude the series ourselves? That would be the ultimate choice :P. Dumb, I know. But still...

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FrostByte-GER wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

FrostByte-GER wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

more and more japanese players complaining on their boards about the ending.

it has begun.


??? Where?


Then we should point them in the direction of the indoctrination/hallucination theory. Someone needs to translated it and send it over.



Then please start the translation xD I can't speak and write in the japanese language :D I tried it but have no enough time to learn it :P



They could figure it out by themselves, right? Like we did.

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I've been offline for a while, anymore interesting tweets from the devs?

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zoidberg241 wrote...

I've been offline for a while, anymore interesting tweets from the devs?


Nope, none.

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LolaLei

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variobunz wrote...

FrostByte-GER wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

FrostByte-GER wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

more and more japanese players complaining on their boards about the ending.

it has begun.


??? Where?


Then we should point them in the direction of the indoctrination/hallucination theory. Someone needs to translated it and send it over.



Then please start the translation xD I can't speak and write in the japanese language :D I tried it but have no enough time to learn it :P



They could figure it out by themselves, right? Like we did.


True, I just don't want them to get upset and head ****ed before coming to the conclusion like we did... what can I say, I'm a soft touch!

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blueboxblues wrote...

Hahaha did anyone see PA today?

http://penny-arcade....omic/2012/03/16


Oh God.  They should make Reaper ice cream novelties.  "Assume direct control of your sweet tooth."