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Was the ending a hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory


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Ona Demonie

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Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Now, the Mike Gamble tweet + Jessica Merizan's HAVE convinced me 100% that SOMETHING is there. Just don't know what.

See, I know Jessica isn't a dev, but she told us she's talked to devs. So, obviously she knows SOMETHING. Or SOME THINGS. Plus she tells fans to listen to Mike Gamble about what's in store. Yes, it could be damage control, but honestly, misleading fans would result in a LOT of damage if these endings are truly THE endings. 

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dfstone wrote...

Anderson kinda gave it away for me. How did he get on the Citadel. He wasn't behind you when you ran to the beacon. He's the last voice you hear before getting hit by Harbinger's beam and then suddenly he's on the Citadel with you.


Seriously. "I followed you in!" I'm sure you did, creeper. Where you INVISIBLE? Maybe Anderson is the REAL Marauder Shields.

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blueboxblues wrote...

dfstone wrote...

Anderson kinda gave it away for me. How did he get on the Citadel. He wasn't behind you when you ran to the beacon. He's the last voice you hear before getting hit by Harbinger's beam and then suddenly he's on the Citadel with you.


Seriously. "I followed you in!" I'm sure you did, creeper. Where you INVISIBLE? Maybe Anderson is the REAL Marauder Shields.


Maybe Anderson is Harbinger.

DUN DUN DUUUN

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Plotholes, plotholes everywhere!
Everything happening in the ending which results with plotholes are to big to be accidental. Hopefully they'll give us something more concrete soon so we have something more than this theory (which I've come to accept already).

Something I noted, which would more likely be a programming/design flaw, is if Garrus dies in the run to the conduit he lies in a poodle of very red blood, when Turians clearly have blue blood (ME2 and rocket to the face). Probably nothing, but just a 'fun' thing I noticed.

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I don't know, but after the shock at the end, I somehow managed to get to a state where I just want to trust in BioWare, as they have never ( even DA2 was more a misstake than a complete failure ) let me down in the end and do, what Shepard did: have hope.

I mean, even if a possible DLC or Expansion Pack would cost me money, I don't bother, because we all agreed to live in a capitalistic world so we can have the benefits of it, that's just how it works today.

So.. go, indoctrination theory, go!

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If I were you, I wouldn't really listen to the semi-cryptic dev posts on twitter in search of some evidence of the theory. I definitely haven't seen a better comm manager than Jessica Merizan, who would really talk to the fans, but all the talk of future plans is just... meh. I mean, really, they wouldn't say "And you know what? We got you some pretty mediocre DLC just to take more of your money! Hope you submit to us and bow before EA!", would they?

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Did anyone try to walk away from the beam after waking up after Harbringer's laser?

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Ashley_82 wrote...

Did anyone try to walk away from the beam after waking up after Harbringer's laser?

Liara lies dead and after space kid scene, she did a Lazarus. SPACE MAGIC CAN DO DIZ!

Modifié par Aerevane, 16 mars 2012 - 01:47 .


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in other words, you want bioware to make a dlc that says, 'it was all just a dream. Bobby is alive and in the shower?"

I wouldnt buy it and I'd hate the fact they stooped to doing it.

The ending was grand. leave it be.

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Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

blueboxblues wrote...

dfstone wrote...

Anderson kinda gave it away for me. How did he get on the Citadel. He wasn't behind you when you ran to the beacon. He's the last voice you hear before getting hit by Harbinger's beam and then suddenly he's on the Citadel with you.


Seriously. "I followed you in!" I'm sure you did, creeper. Where you INVISIBLE? Maybe Anderson is the REAL Marauder Shields.


Maybe Anderson is Harbinger.

DUN DUN DUUUN


ULTIMATE MIND**** ACHIEVED!

#15161
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So was on a dream analsis website, figured I'd post some intereseting things from there (Dream moods if you're interested)


Whispering
To hear whispering in your dream suggests that you need to pay closer attention to something or listen to someone more carefully. Alternatively, whispering represents your insecurities and anxieties. You feel that people are talking about you behind your back.

Fire
Depending on the context of your dream, to see fire in your dream can symbolize destruction, passion, desire, illumination, purification, transformation, enlightenment, or anger. It may suggest that something old is passing and something new is entering into your life. Your thoughts and views are changing. In particular, if the fire is under control or contained in one area, then it is a metaphor of your own internal fire and inner transformation. If the fire is encircling you and someone else, then it signifies your bond to that person. You two share something significant in common. Furthermore, the dream may be a metaphor for someone who is "fiery". It represents your drive, motivation, and creative energy.
Alternatively, the dream may be warning you of your dangerous or risky activities. You are literally "playing with fire".


Forest
To dream that you are in or walking through the forest signifies a transitional phase.�Follow your instincts. Alternatively, it indicates that you want to escape to a simpler way of life. You are feeling weighed down by the demands of your life.

To dream that you are lost in a forest indicates that you are searching through your unconscious for a better understanding of yourself.
To dream of a forest fire indicates that transformation and regeneration is only possible through some hardships. Alternatively, it suggests that your anger is out of control; it is affecting those around you.


Chase
To dream that you are chasing someone signifies that you are attempting to overcome a difficult goal or task. You may also be expressing some aggressive feelings toward others.


Slow Motion
To dream that you are moving in slow motion suggests that you are feeling powerless, anxious or frustrated. You are currently going through a hard time in your waking life and experiencing tremendous stress, which is almost immobilizing you.

There may be more, but just some interesting notes about Shepard's dreams.
 

Modifié par Kango X, 16 mars 2012 - 01:52 .


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Ashley_82 wrote...

Did anyone try to walk away from the beam after waking up after Harbringer's laser?


Well, I looked back because I was trying to see if my crew had made it, and it's just lots of blurry black horizon. I expect there's an invisible wall there, somewhere.

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Aerevane wrote...

Ashley_82 wrote...

Did anyone try to walk away from the beam after waking up after Harbringer's laser?

Liara lies dead and after space kid scene, she did a Lazarus. SPACE MAGIC CAN DO DIZ!


Next time something really messed up happens at work, I'm blaming it on space magic. IT EXPLAINS ALL THE THINGS.

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On that note, has anyone tried walking away from ghost kid when he presents you with the 3 choices?

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Ona Demonie wrote...

Then there was supposed to be an ending where your LI pulls you out of the rubble, hugs you, and Anderson gives you what happened (Reapers lose, how many people died, Earth saved, etc).


I have the leaked script and I haven't seen anything like that yet. Then again its really long and hard to read.

But I love that ending. More LI please <3

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Earthborn_Shepard

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Kango X wrote...

So was on a dream analsis website, figured I'd post some intereseting things from there (Dream moods if you're interested)


Whispering
To hear whispering in your dream suggests that you need to pay closer attention to something or listen to someone more carefully. Alternatively, whispering represents your insecurities and anxieties. You feel that people are talking about you behind your back.

Fire
Depending on the context of your dream, to see fire in your dream can symbolize destruction, passion, desire, illumination, purification, transformation, enlightenment, or anger. It may suggest that something old is passing and something new is entering into your life. Your thoughts and views are changing. In particular, if the fire is under control or contained in one area, then it is a metaphor of your own internal fire and inner transformation. If the fire is encircling you and someone else, then it signifies your bond to that person. You two share something significant in common. Furthermore, the dream may be a metaphor for someone who is "fiery". It represents your drive, motivation, and creative energy.
Alternatively, the dream may be warning you of your dangerous or risky activities. You are literally "playing with fire".


Forest
To dream that you are in or walking through the forest signifies a transitional phase.�Follow your instincts. Alternatively, it indicates that you want to escape to a simpler way of life. You are feeling weighed down by the demands of your life.

To dream that you are lost in a forest indicates that you are searching through your unconscious for a better understanding of yourself.
To dream of a forest fire indicates that transformation and regeneration is only possible through some hardships. Alternatively, it suggests that your anger is out of control; it is affecting those around you.


Chase
To dream that you are chasing someone signifies that you are attempting to overcome a difficult goal or task. You may also be expressing some aggressive feelings toward others.



Slow Motion
To dream that you are moving in slow motion suggests that you are feeling powerless, anxious or frustrated. You are currently going through a hard time in your waking life and experiencing tremendous stress, which is almost immobilizing you.

There may be more, but just some interesting notes about Shepard's dreams.

 


Wow. Guess Harby is an expert in dream interpretation.

#15167
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@VanDex

I think, they got me. Really, I would kiss EA's hairy.. you know.. for a better ending. ;)
They could rub in my face, that they just want my money, I'd give it to them.
It's self protection - I would have spent some money on other stupid things, make up, other games, candy.. so why not spend it on something, that at least gives me a good feeling? I'm a gamer, I pay for my games. If I'd love cars, I'd buy a freaking spoiler or whatever you can put on those things..

Sad, that they'll win ( I consider myself BioWare-indoctrinated ;) ) and get my money with these shameless tricks, but.. hey.. it's just like it is, in this world. I'd rather give away some Euros, than the chance of getting that "Woah, that were the best 100 hours I spent on a game for a long time!"-feeling. Usually, BioWare provides this feeling. I just hope, they'll do it again.

IF this should be the end, you know, and no DLC or something.. THEN I'm gonna be pissed. But it's merely two weeks since release.. I have enough faith in BioWare to endure a bit longer.

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dfstone wrote...

On that note, has anyone tried walking away from ghost kid when he presents you with the 3 choices?


I pretty much walked around the whole chamber and nothing happened. Until the Crucible got destroyed that is.

As for that dream interpretation, sounds like Bioware writers were reading the same website:) But really, it fits perfectly with the general idea of the game, not just with the indoc theory.

Modifié par VanDex, 16 mars 2012 - 01:55 .


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MissOuJ wrote...

Ashley_82 wrote...

Did anyone try to walk away from the beam after waking up after Harbringer's laser?


Well, I looked back because I was trying to see if my crew had made it, and it's just lots of blurry black horizon. I expect there's an invisible wall there, somewhere.


i looked back when I heard that the background changes dramatically after 'waking up' from the laser to the face. When I tried to retreat, like the radio was saying to, i got a critical mission failure. Tried it twice to make sure it wasn't a husk/marauder hitting/shooting me, same results. no invisible wall. Just Shep death.

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A long two weeks...

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xeternalxredx wrote...

MissOuJ wrote...

Ashley_82 wrote...

Did anyone try to walk away from the beam after waking up after Harbringer's laser?


Well, I looked back because I was trying to see if my crew had made it, and it's just lots of blurry black horizon. I expect there's an invisible wall there, somewhere.


i looked back when I heard that the background changes dramatically after 'waking up' from the laser to the face. When I tried to retreat, like the radio was saying to, i got a critical mission failure. Tried it twice to make sure it wasn't a husk/marauder hitting/shooting me, same results. no invisible wall. Just Shep death.


Yeah, you pass out or bleed to death or something, ending in a critical mission failure, I walked all over that scene investigating the makos and trying to walk back.

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Ashley_82 wrote...

Did anyone try to walk away from the beam after waking up after Harbringer's laser?


Shepard just ends up dead.

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I just hope that this theory is true theres evidence all around that supports it. It would just be a real let down if these endings we have right now are the real ones. Which I doubt they are. Bioware don't let us down now.

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I like this theory as it does kind of make sense however it doesn't conclude the game correctly. BioWare told us the game would be complete 100% without DLC which it won't be if endings that made sense are sold later. EA and BioWare will effectively be holding their customers to ransom. If this is the case bye bye BioWare and EA, it was good while it lasted.

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StringWail wrote...

I like this theory as it does kind of make sense however it doesn't conclude the game correctly. BioWare told us the game would be complete 100% without DLC which it won't be if endings that made sense are sold later. EA and BioWare will effectively be holding their customers to ransom. If this is the case bye bye BioWare and EA, it was good while it lasted.


I don't think it will be DLC, according to some posts the console versions content is much larger than PC version so assuming this is correct, I bet a patch or code will unlock the hidden content on the discs.  PC will be DLC because if they included it with the PC game it would have been found by now.  This also leads me to believe that it will be free...