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[lex0r11]

Capeo wrote...

MordiMoro wrote...

Have you noticed that on the Citadel, there is a picture of the StarChild and the written "last soon of earth?"

Uh, that would be "last seen on Earth".  Again, proving it was a real child.

says who? you? proves nothing for both sides. might as well see it like he did the child and everyone else does not.
a normal kid going 'you can't help me' and vanishing without the slightest sound. fishy.

Modifié par lex0r11, 16 mars 2012 - 07:49 .

[VvAndromedavV]

fieryace wrote...

Are you assuming that I'm arguing against the Indoctrination theory? You'd be wrong. I'm just wondering why people think that 2 of 3 endings HAVE to screw over the player when there are perfectly acceptable ways to continue the story. I'm assuming that any following DLC would actually have gameplay segments and not just extended cutscenes.

Not really assuming that you were arguing against it, but when I read your post it sounded like a counter-arguement (which is completely fine).

I agree with you: there are perfectly acceptable ways BW could continue the story. Whether or not that is their intention is another matter entirely.

[Baihu1983]

As i asked elsewhere

Doesn't shepard need his omi tool to talk to hacket? cause its not in the final scene which could again show its not real?

Modifié par Baihu1983, 16 mars 2012 - 07:51 .

[jackncoke28]

tatortodd22 wrote...

fieryace wrote...

So I was wondering what other people thought of this. People have been repeatedly posting that the Synthesis and Control endings both end with Shep dead or indoctrinated. But, if you assume that this is planned and the there will be more happening after the current ending, wouldn't Shep have to survive all three endings? I'm curious to see how people think that could happen (that shep could survive all "3" endings).

What if the next game/DLC is from the perspective of another character. Assassin's Creed has shown that several different main characters can still have flow.

They said that Shepard's story ends with Mass Effect 3, but that doesn't mean the Mass Effect story is over. What if we play as an Alliance officer or alien character who plays a story that reflects Shepard's choice. Like if Shepard fails against indoctrination, what if you fight him? Or if Shepard defeats indoctrination, he becomes an asset in your fight that helps a ton.

That's what I'd like to see in an ideal world. A continued story where your choice DID make a huge difference.

They could also very well have a situation like with the protheans, a long drawn out reaper war that continues in ME4 with new character

[njfluffy19]

VvAndromedavV wrote...


2. The ending is meant to be an indoctrination attempt, in which case they either planned to tell more in a DLC and shipped a game without a complete ending (hard to believe) or they intended that to be the ending and you are simply meant to understand that if you choose "destroy" and have enough EMS the scene with Shepard waking up in the rubble is meant to show that she has resisted indoctrination and will win.

I would be so annoyed if this was the case. There would be so many people who clearly would not understand this, and would simply believe the ending was as horrible as it seemed. With all these plotholes and all this proof toward indoctrination, there are still plenty of people who believe the ending to be taken at face value just because Bioware has made no comment about what really happened. If they wanted us to speculate, then they shouldn't have made the universe so concrete to begin with. There was little to speculate on in past games besides the origin of the Reapers...

Seriously, if they left the ending open-ended just for the sake of "speculation" I would be equally pissed.

[Sammuthegreat]

njfluffy19 wrote...

VvAndromedavV wrote...


2. The ending is meant to be an indoctrination attempt, in which case they either planned to tell more in a DLC and shipped a game without a complete ending (hard to believe) or they intended that to be the ending and you are simply meant to understand that if you choose "destroy" and have enough EMS the scene with Shepard waking up in the rubble is meant to show that she has resisted indoctrination and will win.

I would be so annoyed if this was the case. There would be so many people who clearly would not understand this, and would simply believe the ending was as horrible as it seemed. With all these plotholes and all this proof toward indoctrination, there are still plenty of people who believe the ending to be taken at face value just because Bioware has made no comment about what really happened. If they wanted us to speculate, then they shouldn't have made the universe so concrete to begin with. There was little to speculate on in past games besides the origin of the Reapers...

Seriously, if they left the ending open-ended just for the sake of "speculation" I would be equally pissed.

In short: BioWare, please tell us NOW what the hell is going on.

[MissMaster_2]

Baihu1983 wrote...

As i asked elsewhere

Doesn't shepard need him omi tool to talk to hacket? cause its not in the final scene which could again show its not real?

Hum...I never noticed that.

[mmdestiny]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Capeo wrote...
 Not to mention the script is clear that destroy is the selfish and least desirable option.  Hence it's the only one that can destroy the Earth if you screw up.

How does the script imply that?  Just curious.  You only have the lines of the Guardian to go by, and the results you see in the game from what I remember.

Actually, Destroy is not the only option that can destroy the Earth.  --- If the Collector Base was destroyed, and Effective Military Strength of 1750 to 1899 – Become a Reaper and the Earth will be destroyed

[lex0r11]

MissMaster_2 wrote...

Baihu1983 wrote...

As i asked elsewhere

Doesn't shepard need him omi tool to talk to hacket? cause its not in the final scene which could again show its not real?

Hum...I never noticed that.

he mostly puts his finger on his ear. only time he uses the omni tool for comunications is to tweak settings or find another frequency i guess.

[SimonM72]

I've just had the Mass Effect 3 television advertisement play in the background, I only heard the audio this time around and it occured to me;

"In the end, some will surrender - some will fight!"

...could very well apply to what is happening now, with us the invested community.
Some believe its all over, some are fighting. Which are you?.

[Baihu1983]

lex0r11 wrote...

MissMaster_2 wrote...

Baihu1983 wrote...

As i asked elsewhere

Doesn't shepard need him omi tool to talk to hacket? cause its not in the final scene which could again show its not real?

Hum...I never noticed that.

he mostly puts his finger on his ear. only time he uses the omni tool for comunications is to tweak settings or find another frequency i guess.

But even then how is he talking to them? He has no ear piece unless they implant it in his head? And surely the signal from hacket goes to his tool?

Modifié par Baihu1983, 16 mars 2012 - 07:55 .

[Gudmoore]

SimonM72 wrote...

I've just had the Mass Effect 3 television advertisement play in the background, I only heard the audio this time around and it occured to me;

"In the end, some will surrender - some will fight!"

...could very well apply to what is happening now, with us the invested community.
Some believe its all over, some are fighting. Which are you?.

Aralakh Company here. We'll be holding the line until the very end!

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

SimonM72 wrote...

I've just had the Mass Effect 3 television advertisement play in the background, I only heard the audio this time around and it occured to me;

"In the end, some will surrender - some will fight!"

...could very well apply to what is happening now, with us the invested community.
Some believe its all over, some are fighting. Which are you?.

Im fighting and I knew something was fishy from the moment the kid appeared. he was too vague, to illogical and to obsessed with making the Reapers survive for it to be entirely truthful what he said. Like, why exactly is it destroying the Reapers will destroy the Geth and EDI as well? Yes they are AI, but build by very different people and with widely different technology, what kind of wave targets AI specifically?

Shortly said I had this voice inside me going "Its a trap!"

[jackncoke28]

Gudmoore wrote...

SimonM72 wrote...

I've just had the Mass Effect 3 television advertisement play in the background, I only heard the audio this time around and it occured to me;

"In the end, some will surrender - some will fight!"

...could very well apply to what is happening now, with us the invested community.
Some believe its all over, some are fighting. Which are you?.

Aralakh Company here. We'll be holding the line until the very end!

Jackolyte here, holding the line!

[njfluffy19]

I listened to Kirahhe lastnight in ME1 and it made me think of you guys. :]

[lex0r11]

SimonM72 wrote...

I've just had the Mass Effect 3 television advertisement play in the background, I only heard the audio this time around and it occured to me;

"In the end, some will surrender - some will fight!"

...could very well apply to what is happening now, with us the invested community.
Some believe its all over, some are fighting. Which are you?.

i keep fighting for him.

[Golferguy758]

I'll post something interesting that I'm sure you guys will like when I leave the office. I need to check facts for one, and the second I want a keyboards to articulate it better since my phone dislikes responding on these forums.

[blueboxblues]

SimonM72 wrote...

I've just had the Mass Effect 3 television advertisement play in the background, I only heard the audio this time around and it occured to me;

"In the end, some will surrender - some will fight!"

...could very well apply to what is happening now, with us the invested community.
Some believe its all over, some are fighting. Which are you?.

I am in the "vodka until it makes sense" group:wizard:

[AdmiralsJack]

jackncoke28 wrote...

Gudmoore wrote...

SimonM72 wrote...

I've just had the Mass Effect 3 television advertisement play in the background, I only heard the audio this time around and it occured to me;

"In the end, some will surrender - some will fight!"

...could very well apply to what is happening now, with us the invested community.
Some believe its all over, some are fighting. Which are you?.

Aralakh Company here. We'll be holding the line until the very end!

Jackolyte here, holding the line!

holding the line till the very end

[Baihu1983]

I just moved the line.

[dawtree]

All for Indoctrination Theory. Here's a logical leap:

If the three "endings" and their way of becoming initiated has always exited, why didn't the Starchild just choose Synthesis in the very beginning? If that space magic has always been present, couldn't the Reapers have saved themselves a lot of time by doing that in the first place, thus eliminating the necessity to harvest every 50,000 years? Also, I find the "Destroy" node very silly, like when you see bad guys in cartoons who have a blatant self-destruct button on their secret hideout.

All very fishy.

[Henkovich]

I just ate the line.

[VvAndromedavV]

njfluffy19 wrote...

VvAndromedavV wrote...


2. The ending is meant to be an indoctrination attempt, in which case they either planned to tell more in a DLC and shipped a game without a complete ending (hard to believe) or they intended that to be the ending and you are simply meant to understand that if you choose "destroy" and have enough EMS the scene with Shepard waking up in the rubble is meant to show that she has resisted indoctrination and will win.

I would be so annoyed if this was the case. There would be so many people who clearly would not understand this, and would simply believe the ending was as horrible as it seemed. With all these plotholes and all this proof toward indoctrination, there are still plenty of people who believe the ending to be taken at face value just because Bioware has made no comment about what really happened. If they wanted us to speculate, then they shouldn't have made the universe so concrete to begin with. There was little to speculate on in past games besides the origin of the Reapers...

Seriously, if they left the ending open-ended just for the sake of "speculation" I would be equally pissed.

It's my personal interpretation that the ending was meant to be an indoctrination attempt.

That being said, I can understand why you would be annoyed, and why you think many people wouldn't understand.

Was the ending meant to be taken at face? Sure. That's also possible.

BUT.

If you think it's meant to be taken at face value specifically because "Bioware has made no comment" and "they shouldn't have made the universe so concrete if they wanted us to speculate" then I hate to break it to you but in "Final Hours" you see writer notes regarding the ending and, in all capital letters, this is written at the bottom: "LOTS OF SPECULATION FROM EVERYONE."

So yeah, whatever they meant the ending to be, apparently they specifically wanted speculation. If that's the only strike you have against the indoctrination theory that's out the window.

Again, not disagreeing with you that some people might not understand what's happening or some might find it annoying.

Modifié par VvAndromedavV, 16 mars 2012 - 08:15 .

[njfluffy19]

Since there's no news, let's express our emotional ranges when coming upon the ending...

Forced to choose how your Shepard dies:
Watching Shepard get turned to space dust:
Realization ME Universe has become something else entirely:
Thoughts on your crew being on some strange world, alive, well and content: and subsequently
Coming upon this thread: ...
Realizing it is all quite plausible: 
Holding the line that it is the truth, not some disproven theory:

[turian_rage]

SimonM72 wrote...

I've just had the Mass Effect 3 television advertisement play in the background, I only heard the audio this time around and it occured to me;

"In the end, some will surrender - some will fight!"

...could very well apply to what is happening now, with us the invested community.
Some believe its all over, some are fighting. Which are you?.

I'm fighting. 'Till then, I have my indoctrination theory as headcanon.

Hold the line!