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GunMoth wrote...

Okay people. Moment of truth. I'm about to sit down for a few hours and look through the textures / shadows / obscure objects in the game and see what's up.

Apparently the UE viewer that I found cannot "interpret" some of the folders. I'll make a folder and print screen the crap out of the things I find (if I find anything). Goodbye. And goodluck.

Thanks, GunMoth! Good luck!

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jackncoke28 wrote...

Just realized looking thru crucible assets, seems as though its powered by a reaper heart. Anybody discussed this yet?


 It depends, actually. It is either powered by a reaper heart or a reaper brain - depending on if you destroyed the Collector base or not. Afaik, they are sort of place markers for EMS requirement adjustments based upon the final choice in ME2.

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 Does anyone have the art book on them?? I have the big Mass Effect Universe art book on my lap, this is probably in the ME3 art book in the CE as well. The Cerberus Headquarters page has one page of TIM's "room" (where the Kai Leng encounter is) and the other page is everything that happens after Harbinger's beam. Literally. Has anyone else pointed this out yet? Is it confirmed to be recycled art or something? (page 173 in The Art of the Mass Effect Universe, pages 62-63 in the ME3 CE art book but there's an illustration missing)


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Show me the evidence that he actually woke up after activating the prothean beacon on eden prime? Show me the evidence!!!!

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Vandicus wrote...

The growling noise is at 13:27 here.



I can't find a Thessia video where the person has chosen to do paragon/renegade reasoning with TIM from Mars and doesn't bring Javik, but those are the conditions under which I believe I heard the noise.

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Also around 1:00 here

 

It happens a few times in that conversation actually. Then comes my favorite line where Anderson looks directly at the player and says "They're controlling you!"


That it happens multiple times, I think it happens in the dreams too, lends quite alot of credence to this. I remember growling being mentioned in one of the novels too. Can't remember if it was Leng or Grayson's character.

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Golferguy758 wrote...

GunMoth wrote...

Blegh okay I'll PM you the article person with the Tali icon. I have to wait for my friend to get back to me with the link. :U Not sure if she's online.


Thank you sir, I appreciate it. I just want to delve into it and prod around.


A couple days after the game was released and people started freaking out Casey Hudson did a butt ton of interviews. It was one of those, though I don't remember which one asked him the DLC questi-- OH!
Duh. 
Just google "Casey Hudson Mass Effect 3 single player DLC" or "Casey hudson interview ME3" etc etc. 
Or just Mass Effect 3 Single Player DLC.

"I didn’t want the game to be forgettable, and even right down to the sort of polarizing reaction that the ends have had with people–debating what the endings mean and what’s going to happen next, and what situation are the characters left in.[/i]

That to me is part of what’s exciting about this story. There has always been a little bit of mystery there and a little bit of interpretation, and it’s a story that people can talk about after the fact.

Hudson did go on to assure gamers that the team will be taking their feedback into account as they move forward with downloadable content, confirming that more single-player goodness is on the way.

It’s very important to us and we will always listen to feedback, interpret it and try and do the right thing by our fans. That’s why if you look at Mass Effect 2 we knew that people wanted to spend more time with a character like Liara, and so we created an ongoing storyline with her as part of the comics and then built it into the DLC stuff, and we’re always listening to fans.We have some really great multiplayer content and some really great single-player content coming over the air, and their feedback will become part of how we design that."



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Rifneno wrote...

bearcatfan14181 wrote...

You just don't see the genius behind it....


You lie.  I turned off clipping and walked beyond the Crucible.  Mordin's not back there.


Amazing. haha.

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blueboxblues wrote...

 Does anyone have the art book on them?? I have the big Mass Effect Universe art book on my lap, this is probably in the ME3 art book in the CE as well. The Cerberus Headquarters page has one page of TIM's "room" (where the Kai Leng encounter is) and the other page is everything that happens after Harbinger's beam. Literally. Has anyone else pointed this out yet? Is it confirmed to be recycled art or something? (page 173 in The Art of the Mass Effect Universe, pages 62-63 in the ME3 CE art book but there's an illustration missing)


The top image is not in the artbook for the CE. The bottom one is though.

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Golferguy758 wrote...

jackncoke28 wrote...

Just realized looking thru crucible assets, seems as though its powered by a reaper heart. Anybody discussed this yet?


Careful confirmation bias is beginnign to creep into that train of thought.


It uses the human reaper heart if you destroyed the Collector Base, and the human reaper brain if you saved it.

Come to think of it, why would a reaper have a heart and a brain like an organic?  They use organic DNA in it somehow but we've had no indication that they operate like an organic being inside.

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bearcatfan14181 wrote...

I enjoyed the ending because its a symbol for the futility of human nature. Humans struggle all of their lives but they always die in the end anyways.


Is that what ME was about to you?

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bearcatfan14181 wrote...

Just because I have a different opinion doesn't mean I'm a troll. I didn't realize the Bioware community was so intolerant.


No but because you said that it is genuis, that whatever we did was pointless so why play at all, why unite the galaxy, why not just lay down and die? Why fight because a beacon told you? C'mon? What sense does that make? Life does not life to die you know cause than there would be no point in it.

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Rifneno wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

jackncoke28 wrote...

Just realized looking thru crucible assets, seems as though its powered by a reaper heart. Anybody discussed this yet?


Careful confirmation bias is beginnign to creep into that train of thought.


It uses the human reaper heart if you destroyed the Collector Base, and the human reaper brain if you saved it.

Come to think of it, why would a reaper have a heart and a brain like an organic?  They use organic DNA in it somehow but we've had no indication that they operate like an organic being inside.


 I think "brain" and "heart" are largely metophorical - if you read the asset description, the heart is described as an "advanced and incredible power source". I don't know about the brain bit. It would seem to lend credence to the Crucible/Catalyst being influenced by reapers...

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Lol anyone else think trolls are funny? Any post that begins with "I enjoyed the ending" is clearly just trying to stir up some trouble.

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bearcatfan14181 wrote...

Show me the evidence that he actually woke up after activating the prothean beacon on eden prime? Show me the evidence!!!!


wow...:whistle:

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I was just looking at the destroy ending again
 to see if there was growling,  and I heard the weirdest thing in the background. I heard breathing immediately after 90% of the shots fired. A rapidly indrawn breath. Has this been mentioned before?



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T_l_M_B_0 wrote...

Lol anyone else think trolls are funny? Any post that begins with "I enjoyed the ending" is clearly just trying to stir up some trouble.


it's kind of amusing following it^^

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MysticBinary82 wrote...

bearcatfan14181 wrote...

Just because I have a different opinion doesn't mean I'm a troll. I didn't realize the Bioware community was so intolerant.


No but because you said that it is genuis, that whatever we did was pointless so why play at all, why unite the galaxy, why not just lay down and die? Why fight because a beacon told you? C'mon? What sense does that make? Life does not life to die you know cause than there would be no point in it.

What is the point of life then?

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Mass Effect..... on ESPN?

http://www.grantland...-mass-effect-3s

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Debi-Tage wrote...

bearcatfan14181 wrote...

I enjoyed the ending because its a symbol for the futility of human nature. Humans struggle all of their lives but they always die in the end anyways.


Is that what ME was about to you?

Yea, partly

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 Guys, I just had a thought.  On the mission where Shepard enters the Geth network, Legion says something to the effect of, "Your mind uses its memories to interpret ours."  That is not the exact quote, but it gets the gist across.  Maybe something similar is occuring here.  Shepard's mind is using its memories to illustrate the indocrination attempt.  That would explain quite a bit of this.  I think something like this might have been brought up before, but I thought it was worth restating, especially when you consider that the Reapers are machines, too.  That could also explain how Shepard's mind is able to fight back, it shows images that Shepard will trust or distrust: Anderson, TIM, and Saren.  Any thoughts?    

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bearcatfan14181 wrote...

Debi-Tage wrote...

bearcatfan14181 wrote...

I enjoyed the ending because its a symbol for the futility of human nature. Humans struggle all of their lives but they always die in the end anyways.


Is that what ME was about to you?

Yea, partly


Then good the ending worked for you. But not for my Shepard, which I was told it would...

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Vandicus wrote...

I was just looking at the destroy ending again
 to see if there was growling,  and I heard the weirdest thing in the background. I heard breathing immediately after 90% of the shots fired. A rapidly indrawn breath. Has this been mentioned before?



I don't hear what you hear and please people don't try to overinterprate the hole thing. Not every singel piece in this game would be evidence. There are fakts but there are also just design things just to build up tension.

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GunMoth wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

GunMoth wrote...

Blegh okay I'll PM you the article person with the Tali icon. I have to wait for my friend to get back to me with the link. :U Not sure if she's online.


Thank you sir, I appreciate it. I just want to delve into it and prod around.


A couple days after the game was released and people started freaking out Casey Hudson did a butt ton of interviews. It was one of those, though I don't remember which one asked him the DLC questi-- OH!
Duh. 
Just google "Casey Hudson Mass Effect 3 single player DLC" or "Casey hudson interview ME3" etc etc. 
Or just Mass Effect 3 Single Player DLC.

"I didn’t want the game to be forgettable, and even right down to the sort of polarizing reaction that the ends have had with people–debating what the endings mean and what’s going to happen next, and what situation are the characters left in.[/i]

That to me is part of what’s exciting about this story. There has always been a little bit of mystery there and a little bit of interpretation, and it’s a story that people can talk about after the fact.

Hudson did go on to assure gamers that the team will be taking their feedback into account as they move forward with downloadable content, confirming that more single-player goodness is on the way.

It’s very important to us and we will always listen to feedback, interpret it and try and do the right thing by our fans. That’s why if you look at Mass Effect 2 we knew that people wanted to spend more time with a character like Liara, and so we created an ongoing storyline with her as part of the comics and then built it into the DLC stuff, and we’re always listening to fans.We have some really great multiplayer content and some really great single-player content coming over the air, and their feedback will become part of how we design that."

That was great, up until he said "Whatever we do with Mass Effect 3 will most likely be during the game, not after."

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blueboxblues wrote...

 Does anyone have the art book on them?? I have the big Mass Effect Universe art book on my lap, this is probably in the ME3 art book in the CE as well. The Cerberus Headquarters page has one page of TIM's "room" (where the Kai Leng encounter is) and the other page is everything that happens after Harbinger's beam. Literally. Has anyone else pointed this out yet? Is it confirmed to be recycled art or something? (page 173 in The Art of the Mass Effect Universe, pages 62-63 in the ME3 CE art book but there's an illustration missing)


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I have the book! I'll open it now and give it a look. :U 

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Vandicus wrote...

I was just looking at the destroy ending again
 to see if there was growling,  and I heard the weirdest thing in the background. I heard breathing immediately after 90% of the shots fired. A rapidly indrawn breath. Has this been mentioned before?



I didn't choose destroy on my first go through. That Normandy sequence makes even less sense here, it's somehow even more out of place here than it was in synthesis.

As to the breathing, I don't quite know where you mean. After Shep has just finished shooting the tubes?