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Was the ending a hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory


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Golferguy758 wrote...

This picture represents, I think, everyone's reaction to how this is going about

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Bioware's face when we unraveled their clever plan


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But there is no way this supposed "true" ending is on disc through, right? I mean, I don't know much 'bout PC's but I assume it would have been found, no? Or is it possible to hide it? Again, I don't know much, so I guess I'm asking mostly out of curiosity.

EDIT: Removed horrible, childlike grammar error somehow written by a man who went to college.... Oi....

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@littleork:

I can't sleep! This thread has me ravaged with insomnia!

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BlackDragonBane wrote...

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So if TIM represents the Reapers Indoc, and Anderson represents Shepard's will that could explain why TIM was so effed up with Cybernetics and half-husk when the one time we saw him before, he was normal, just really old and tired looking. And that could explain why Anderson is wavering and shaking like he is and why he's saying so many Shepard-like lines.


You are a genious.


I like you. You're fun.

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lookingglassmind wrote...

@littleork:

I can't sleep! This thread has me ravaged with insomnia!


Same here.

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Drewskii wrote...

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Caught another mirrored 1M1 while watching the ending over again (Youtube screencap). Apparently I have no idea how to post an image here though.


bioware has been here.

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lookingglassmind wrote...

@littleork:

I can't sleep! This thread has me ravaged with insomnia!


Hehe same here, i pretty much said anything I could think of so now I just smile at everybody else ideas :)

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lookingglassmind wrote...

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No, but BioWare gave you a living, breathing chance to see what it would be like. If you chose to Destroy, then you fought indoctrination. If you chose other, then you, the player, were indoctrinated.


I guess I was indoctrinated. 


Upon hearing my options it seemed the only correct option would be to control the reapers. As that was the only option that did not result in the automatic death of any large group of people (Relays exploding not being counted..)

So maybe that was the goal...to make me choose an option that I percieved would be the only way to save everyone, even though it was infact the same path that brought ruin to TIM. 

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mentosman8 wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

If it's a dream , and the dlc allows you to get the real ending.I simply refuse to buy , because in this case it means Bioware has purposely cut content out of a full game.I'd rather watch that ending somewhere than pay dlc money for something that (already paid for) and should have been in the game and on the disc.

I'm all for dlc when it makes sense , but if this is the case Bioware has gone Too Far! Sorry I just can't shell out money for locked content that should have been available from the start.


Presumably if we're right, the DLC for the proper endings would be free through the Alliance Network, and only require payment if you did not purchase the game new, also standing as an anti-piracy measure.


If it's free I'm ok with it , but if I have to shell out any money.I can tell you I don't need the real ending that bad and will trade the game in for something else.

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Ok I was thinking along these lines and I totally support this!!

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LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

If it's a dream , and the dlc allows you to get the real ending.I simply refuse to buy , because in this case it means Bioware has purposely cut content out of a full game.I'd rather watch that ending somewhere than pay dlc money for something that (already paid for) and should have been in the game and on the disc.

I'm all for dlc when it makes sense , but if this is the case Bioware has gone Too Far! Sorry I just can't shell out money for locked content that should have been available from the start.


What do you think that release-date DLC was, man? 

If they cut content from the start of the game, I would not be at all surprised if they cut out the ending, too.

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xGhost4000x wrote...
I guess I was indoctrinated. 


Upon hearing my options it seemed the only correct option would be to control the reapers. As that was the only option that did not result in the automatic death of any large group of people (Relays exploding not being counted..)

So maybe that was the goal...to make me choose an option that I percieved would be the only way to save everyone, even though it was infact the same path that brought ruin to TIM. 


DING-DING-DING! We have a winner!

That's the consensus flowing thru the thread.

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Dude.....This is actually making sense. That mirrored logo could be a big tell. If this is actually where Bioware is going, it is sheer Valve level genius.

Oh please let it be true.

Modifié par Goddy10, 11 mars 2012 - 09:00 .


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So maybe that was the goal...to make me choose an option that I percieved would be the only way to save everyone, even though it was infact the same path that brought ruin to TIM. 


That's pretty much how TIM and Saren were indoctrinated. They thought what they were doing was the right thing to do, that it would actually save us.

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I thought of something ironic.

All the people who happen to like the endings, and the endings - any of them - would indeed happen to have been hallucinations and BioWare making "real" endings? Lol?

Modifié par Lyrandori, 11 mars 2012 - 09:00 .


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 Guys we absoulutely MUST condense this info.

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Smiley556 wrote...

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So what would that make the middle option? The ultimate goal of the Reapers? They had a serious vested interest in Shepard alone so perhaps the Synthesis option was their way of tricking Shepard into giving up what made him/her so damn impossible for the Reapers to get rid of? After all, if Harbinger is the leader, he REALLY had it out for Shepard after ME2

I dunno, I'm grasping at random thermal clips here.


Doesnt it remind you of what saren said on vermire in the first ME? Think about that.


I just listened to Saren's speech on Virmire again and i'm seeing many similarities to what Saren says in comparison nto the theories behind the three choices. He was convinced they could co-exist, albiet as slaves, and as an end result, Sovereign gain a powerful avatar to carry out the Reapers will, only to be thwarted and destroyed by Shepard in the end.

Perhaps the same is happening to Shepard, but with Harbinger instead, since it is the only Reaper that's had several conversations with Shepard and has shown an unusual amount of hatred for one human. Maybe Harbinger believes that by absorbing what makes Shepard who he/she is, it will increase its own power to the point where nothing could defy it or the Reapers. The Reapers are being faced with their own extinction because a united galaxy is fighting them and has proven it can destroy Reapers with their combined forces. Take Shepard out of the picture or indoctrinate Shepard to dissolve the alliances and the Reapers would win quite easily.

Again, grasping at random thermal clips here.

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@Ghost:

Yes! Your post, and TIM-esque rationale just gave me shivers. So perfect.

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Goddy10 wrote...

Dude.....This is actually making sense. That mirrored logo could be a big tell. If this is actually where Bioware is going, it is sheer Valve level genius.

Oh please let it be true.


Could just be a graphics error, but in truth I hope it's not.

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I this is the plan , and it's free dlc.Bioware should come out and say this is what their planning or give a bigger hint.

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gooberfish311 wrote...


So maybe that was the goal...to make me choose an option that I percieved would be the only way to save everyone, even though it was infact the same path that brought ruin to TIM. 


That's pretty much how TIM and Saren were indoctrinated. They thought what they were doing was the right thing to do, that it would actually save us.


Interesting.... Then what--in your opinion--would the synthesis/Shep-jumping-into-a-beam-of-light-and-somehow-changing-the-effin-UNIVERSE ending be?

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FLYING GRENADE11 wrote...

Drewskii wrote...

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Caught another mirrored 1M1 while watching the ending over again (Youtube screencap). Apparently I have no idea how to post an image here though.


bioware has been here.


Apparently the image works when quoted though or perhaps I am just seeing it now? LoL.:alien:

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Even if it wasn't their original intention, they'd be fools not to exploit this chance. We're basically spoon-feeding them the details, imagined or otherwise, that would make us believe they had this planned all along.

So long as you got everyone involved to 'play along,' how would we know they aren't just covering their rears and making it fit? That's how brilliant the hallucination idea is. And the more I read this thread... the more I'd be okay with that. I'd rather be lied to if it meant I could have a more 'proper' ending.

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Fat Headed Wolf wrote...

gooberfish311 wrote...


So maybe that was the goal...to make me choose an option that I percieved would be the only way to save everyone, even though it was infact the same path that brought ruin to TIM. 


That's pretty much how TIM and Saren were indoctrinated. They thought what they were doing was the right thing to do, that it would actually save us.


Interesting.... Then what--in your opinion--would the synthesis/Shep-jumping-into-a-beam-of-light-and-somehow-changing-the-effin-UNIVERSE ending be?


Melted down for Reaper fuel.

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Fat Headed Wolf wrote...

gooberfish311 wrote...


So maybe that was the goal...to make me choose an option that I percieved would be the only way to save everyone, even though it was infact the same path that brought ruin to TIM. 


That's pretty much how TIM and Saren were indoctrinated. They thought what they were doing was the right thing to do, that it would actually save us.


Interesting.... Then what--in your opinion--would the synthesis/Shep-jumping-into-a-beam-of-light-and-somehow-changing-the-effin-UNIVERSE ending be?


Becomes part of Harbinger