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bearcatfan14181

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Ona Demonie wrote...

Found something interesting. A supposedly upset "soon-to-be laid off" BioWare employee came out with this:

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Wow, that is life-changing material.

#15727
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 Been following this thread for days and fell like I'm getting off the bench by posting now lol. All the evidence has been discussed back and forth so I just wanted to make some more general comments on this theory as an argument (i.e. throw in my 2cents worth!).

So many things put forward as evidence supporting this theory. Some of it I think is really persuasive, some of it seems speculative at best. But overall I think it's looking pretty good, if not to suggest that this theory is right, then at least that the ending we've all seen is not actually the ending. I mean, even if we're wrong in the specifics, what are the chances that all these holes (and my god people have discussed a lot of them) exist just by coincidence or chance? It just seems like there's too much here (in terms of quantity, if not weight) to suggest something is up. Not only that, I found the writing, the fictional science and the universe of ME to be so clever and in-depth that the final 20mins just seems so bizarre to me. Then again, could be wishful thinking on my part to see an ending that I find more satisfactory!

Seems like its reached the point where not a lot of new stuff is coming up and its now the believers are defending, while the non-believers are attacking. The massive summary in the OP had a subheading "in favour of this theory" or words to that effect. So I was thinking: has it reached the point now where we should try counter our own theory and argue in the alternative? Or maybe compile the counter-arguments from this thread into a "against this theory" subheading? Might just be the law student in me, but it seems like that might be the best way to really satisfy ourselves that we're on to something. Not to mention, a lot of people have come on this thread and disagreed with this theory (and they're entitled to their opinion) but largely they haven't been constructive about it.

Modifié par ShadowTheInsane, 17 mars 2012 - 01:12 .


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Ona Demonie wrote...

Found something interesting. A supposedly upset "soon-to-be laid off" BioWare employee came out with this:

http://media.giantbo...31884897290.png


I'm skeptical, but it looks interesting. At least it's not 4chan, right? :?

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MysticBinary82 wrote...

krystalevenstar wrote...

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I don't know what you are all hearing but that is pathetic. Inbreath after all shots but that it could be an echo is not possible? Did you listend to the voices and didn't they sounded echoing?

C'mon don't see thinks where are none.  Overinterpretation is not a good road to go down to the dark side it leads.

My shepard is gay and he did not die.


It could be an echo, however we've already established without a doubt that most of the voices and sounds during this scene are multiple sounds layered onto one another. The Catalyst's voice is Femshep/maleshep/the child/ and likely Harbinger. It's not any sort of stretch to assume it could be breathing.


True but in sounddesign you always use sounds that sometimes have nothing to do with the actual object what it creates. As the reaper voice of the first ME. It is if I recall correctly a trashcancap or a metaldoor...not sure.


Yeah it was originally a trash can I think then they changed it to a metal door opening :lol:

I've watched some Star Wars behind the scenes stuff and they really just use the most random things for such normal things they could just record. But sound guys seem to be an imaginative bunch in most cases.

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Ona Demonie

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njfluffy19 wrote...

Ona Demonie wrote...

Found something interesting. A supposedly upset "soon-to-be laid off" BioWare employee came out with this:

http://media.giantbo...31884897290.png


I'm skeptical, but it looks interesting. At least it's not 4chan, right? :?

Yeah. But meh. 

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njfluffy19 wrote...

Ona Demonie wrote...

Found something interesting. A supposedly upset "soon-to-be laid off" BioWare employee came out with this:

http://media.giantbo...31884897290.png


I'm skeptical, but it looks interesting. At least it's not 4chan, right? :?

Alright amusingly appropriate picture, get in here.
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#15732
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Ona Demonie wrote...

Found something interesting. A supposedly upset "soon-to-be laid off" BioWare employee came out with this:

http://media.giantbo...31884897290.png


=O

Oh man... I hope this is true!!! And even if it's false hope... at least it helps me get over these constant cryptic twitter messages and gut-punching ending. Feel sorry for the poor guy getting laid off though... I hear that happens A LOT when a game gets completed =( 

People need to see this now!

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Ona Demonie wrote...

Found something interesting. A supposedly upset "soon-to-be laid off" BioWare employee came out with this:

http://media.giantbo...31884897290.png


That's also from 4chan, so take it with a grain of salt.

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njfluffy19 wrote...

Ona Demonie wrote...

Found something interesting. A supposedly upset "soon-to-be laid off" BioWare employee came out with this:

http://media.giantbo...31884897290.png


I'm skeptical, but it looks interesting. At least it's not 4chan, right? :?


No offense but this sounds (and looks) like the biggest pile of horse **** I have ever seen. 

#15735
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Falstad007 wrote...

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Vandicus wrote...

So I was wondering about what 1M1 meant since we seem to have concluded that its on the Citadel rather than the Crucible. I found a thread suggesting it could be a date reference, 1 month and 1 day from release, and that just happens to fall on PAX. Maybe we learn the truth then?


Woah.  Okay I've never been a believer that the 1m1 meant anything, but that's a hell of a coincidence.


1M1 is outside the Citadel in ME1 as well. You can clearly see a part of the presidium has that logo when you shoot out the window to the elevator at the end of the game.

It's nothing special, people are looking waaaayy too much into 1M1.


Yeah, I think they just reused assets to save time. That object with 1M1 is all over that final area:

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It might mean something, but I'll leave that up to personal interpretation. IMO it's just a coincidence.

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GunMoth wrote...

njfluffy19 wrote...

Ona Demonie wrote...

Found something interesting. A supposedly upset "soon-to-be laid off" BioWare employee came out with this:

http://media.giantbo...31884897290.png


I'm skeptical, but it looks interesting. At least it's not 4chan, right? :?


No offense but this sounds (and looks) like the biggest pile of horse **** I have ever seen. 


/sniffs self

That might just be me. :(

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GunMoth wrote...

No offense but this sounds (and looks) like the biggest pile of horse **** I have ever seen. 


Bigger than the endings?

#15738
GunMoth

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njfluffy19 wrote...

GunMoth wrote...

njfluffy19 wrote...

Ona Demonie wrote...

Found something interesting. A supposedly upset "soon-to-be laid off" BioWare employee came out with this:

http://media.giantbo...31884897290.png


I'm skeptical, but it looks interesting. At least it's not 4chan, right? :?


No offense but this sounds (and looks) like the biggest pile of horse **** I have ever seen. 


/sniffs self

That might just be me. :(


:sick:

#15739
Golferguy758

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Don't get me wrong I'd love that to be true, but i'm skeptical. Ackbar is even getting ready to warn me!

#15740
GunMoth

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I actually think if the whole "I'm getting laid off lolol" story wasn't in there, it would be more believable. Though, because of the way this story is portrayed, there is no way to validate whether or not this is a part of the series or not. I'm willing to bet its the same person who made the Harbinger UE photoshop and realized that someone could just cross reference to check.

Modifié par GunMoth, 17 mars 2012 - 01:19 .


#15741
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nighthawk132651 has messeged me wanting to gay cyber, and asked if i had any friends cuz he likes grp jobs, anyone interested message him plz, hes desperate.

Modifié par bearcatfan14181, 17 mars 2012 - 01:23 .


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MrChowderClam wrote...
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It might mean something, but I'll leave that up to personal interpretation. IMO it's just a coincidence.

Is it just me or are all those 1M1 things just really out of place with all the chrome and shiny, sleek materials?

#15743
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Ona Demonie wrote...

MrChowderClam wrote...
 *snip*

It might mean something, but I'll leave that up to personal interpretation. IMO it's just a coincidence.

Is it just me or are all those 1M1 things just really out of place with all the chrome and shiny, sleek materials?


Yeah... Is it possible they're recycled materials from elsewhere in the game? Anyone notice them?

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Ona Demonie wrote...

MrChowderClam wrote...
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It might mean something, but I'll leave that up to personal interpretation. IMO it's just a coincidence.

Is it just me or are all those 1M1 things just really out of place with all the chrome and shiny, sleek materials?


I agree. It's just so random and out of place.

#15745
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njfluffy19 wrote...

Ona Demonie wrote...

MrChowderClam wrote...
 *snip*

It might mean something, but I'll leave that up to personal interpretation. IMO it's just a coincidence.

Is it just me or are all those 1M1 things just really out of place with all the chrome and shiny, sleek materials?


Yeah... Is it possible they're recycled materials from elsewhere in the game? Anyone notice them?


Yeah its mentioned in the OP. All of the 1m1's on the right side of the stage are flipped. Many speculate that its mentally "priming" the player (along with the coloring of the end choices and the bias fashion that the endings are presented to us in) to concur that the "right" side of the stage is "off". (The right side is the destroy ending. Which is renegade red. Its also the only ending shep and catalyst react negatively to) 

I assume its recycled texturing, but the fact that there arent many other flipped designs or patterns / text on the rest of the stages (given the citadel's simple design) its hard to believe its an oversight.

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I'm so glad I found this thread. I literally finished the game about an hour ago and was in tears at the ending. This theory makes so much more sense, I hope it's true.

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Ona Demonie wrote...

Found something interesting. A supposedly upset "soon-to-be laid off" BioWare employee came out with this:

http://media.giantbo...31884897290.png


Those file sizes look really small.

Really really small. Either they're reusing tons of previous artwork or they've only just started building the DLC recently.

Assuming this isn't one big lie, I mean. Which it probably is, because let's face it, we're on the Internet and everything is a lie on here.

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I rarely trust the "minor employee getting laid off" bit. That usually indicates they're trying to sound realistic and usually "minor employees" don't have the money to pay a lawyer good enough to defend them from the legal ****storm bioware would run them through. Sure he can not disclose his name but I think the guys in charge of bioware are smart enough to look at the people they're laying off and find the guy who "leaked" the "information"

#15749
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DuskRose wrote...

I'm so glad I found this thread. I literally finished the game about an hour ago and was in tears at the ending. This theory makes so much more sense, I hope it's true.


cry? really? you gaybro, thats sad, i hope this theory is not true just so queers like you suffer more

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bearcatfan14181 wrote...

At least my shepard didnt die a queer....Live straight or die trying.....


**** troll detected.