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#15801
MysticBinary82

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AJ2324 wrote...

"For us and for you, Mass Effect 3 had to live up to a lot of
expectations, not only for a great gaming experience, but for a
resolution to the countless storylines and decisions you’ve made
...So we designed Mass Effect 3 to be a series of endings to key plots and
storylines, each culminating in scenes that show you the consequences of
your actions.  You then carry the knowledge of these consequences with
you as you complete the final moments of your journey."

-Casey Hudson
http://social.biowar.../index/10089946

Here's what I see from this: (Or what I hope for at least)

1. DLC 's will continue as a "series of endings" (like 24 or Lost, they'll keep us hanging in the dark until the next DLC or episode if you will)

2.Culminating into a large conclusive type DLC that has a full resolution/consequence to everything you have done.

3. Final moments of the journey DLC. Full extending powerful ending with all the goods....

What do you guys see?


No I just think he means that the the hole ME3 game is the ending...  Posted Image

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Lugaidster wrote...

MatthewGold wrote...

http://social.biowar.../index/10089946

"But we also recognize that some of our most passionate fans needed more closure, more answers, and more time to say goodbye to their stories—and these comments are equally valid. Player feedback such as this has always been an essential ingredient in the development of the series."


:o That post to me smells like this ending was the intended ending... *sigh*


HOLD THE LINE! RETREAT IS NOT AN OPTION!!

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GavinUK86 wrote...

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

The statement doesn't conferm anything.
Go back to crying in the corner GavinUK86.


oh just shut up.

anyway, sounds like the ending we have is just the endings. 

not the last of shepard obviously just means there is more dlc. set before your attack on cerberus. like the save the game loads after you finish.

i still hope there is some way they can explain more about the endings but as far as i can tell there wont be.


Considering how harsh the backlash has been over the endings, it's still possible they'll release new endings via DLC. He didn't state they had no intention of doing that, and he DID state they were keeping the fan reaction over the ending in mind.

And if they do release new endings, then Indoctrination theory would make it quite easy to do so.

I will admit his statement makes it seem less likely that the Indoctrination theory was their plan all along, though. Which is quite depressing as it relates to their writing competency.

#15804
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AJ2324 wrote...

"For us and for you, Mass Effect 3 had to live up to a lot of
expectations, not only for a great gaming experience, but for a
resolution to the countless storylines and decisions you’ve made
...So we designed Mass Effect 3 to be a series of endings to key plots and
storylines, each culminating in scenes that show you the consequences of
your actions.  You then carry the knowledge of these consequences with
you as you complete the final moments of your journey."

-Casey Hudson
http://social.biowar.../index/10089946

Here's what I see from this: (Or what I hope for at least)

1. DLC 's will continue as a "series of endings" (like 24 or Lost, they'll keep us hanging in the dark until the next DLC or episode if you will)

2.Culminating into a large conclusive type DLC that has a full resolution/consequence to everything you have done.

3. Final moments of the journey DLC. Full extending powerful ending with all the goods....

What do you guys see?


I think he just means the genophage, Quarians and Geth, etc. But I hope you're right.

#15805
GavinUK86

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@aj2324 i just see dlc containing stories non relevant to the endings. like me2. self contained stories if you will.

such a shame. still..... keeping my fingers crossed for at least SOMETHING connected to the endings.

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AJ2324 wrote...

"For us and for you, Mass Effect 3 had to live up to a lot of
expectations, not only for a great gaming experience, but for a
resolution to the countless storylines and decisions you’ve made
...So we designed Mass Effect 3 to be a series of endings to key plots and
storylines, each culminating in scenes that show you the consequences of
your actions.  You then carry the knowledge of these consequences with
you as you complete the final moments of your journey."

-Casey Hudson
http://social.biowar.../index/10089946

Here's what I see from this: (Or what I hope for at least)

1. DLC 's will continue as a "series of endings" (like 24 or Lost, they'll keep us hanging in the dark until the next DLC or episode if you will)

2.Culminating into a large conclusive type DLC that has a full resolution/consequence to everything you have done.

3. Final moments of the journey DLC. Full extending powerful ending with all the goods....

What do you guys see?


They way I read it, he was referring to resolutions to the different plotlines like the Genophage and the Quarian/Geth conflict and such. And then the "final moments of your journey" would be the bullcrap last ten minutes of the game.

But I would be so ecstatic if your interpretation were the right one.

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Emotional roller coasters suck. Get off them before they make you toss your cookies.

They've implied that we may be right before, and they've implied we may be wrong before. Neither one is anything new. Until they say something UNQUESTIONABLY definitive one way or the other, don't get caught up in any statements.

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Michael Gamble on Twitter just now (referring to content in the works) "But you won't know what we are making until we're good and ready to talk about it! ;)"

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AJ2324 wrote...

"For us and for you, Mass Effect 3 had to live up to a lot of
expectations, not only for a great gaming experience, but for a
resolution to the countless storylines and decisions you’ve made
...So we designed Mass Effect 3 to be a series of endings to key plots and
storylines, each culminating in scenes that show you the consequences of
your actions.  You then carry the knowledge of these consequences with
you as you complete the final moments of your journey."

-Casey Hudson
http://social.biowar.../index/10089946

Here's what I see from this: (Or what I hope for at least)

1. DLC 's will continue as a "series of endings" (like 24 or Lost, they'll keep us hanging in the dark until the next DLC or episode if you will)

2.Culminating into a large conclusive type DLC that has a full resolution/consequence to everything you have done.

3. Final moments of the journey DLC. Full extending powerful ending with all the goods....

What do you guys see?


I see that curing the geno****e was the end for the plotline involving the krogan, turian, salarian problem. The saving of rannoch is the ending for the geth and quarian plotline. And that the catalyst scene is the ending of shepard and human plotline.

I can see how what we got is the ending to them according to that description. Indoc theory isn't necessarily wrong (It made sense to me since I first read it 600 pages ago), but it doesn't mean it was canon or that there was a dlc planned. Wherever they go from here is up to them, but I don't think they had any intention for the ending to be a non-ending, rather a sad ending.

Cheers

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Hopefully Bioware will realize that the endings have made any DLC that doesnt address the endings irrelevant. Why would I want to help Aria take back Omega, ultimately resulting in stranding her on a space station with no way to get supplies after the Relays explode?

Why would I want to do any kind of DLC to improve the state of the galaxy and/or galactic relations, will all my work will be rendered pointless with no Relays?

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"More passionate fans" = 90% of the fan base and most journalists.

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KujaTheDarkOne2 wrote...


Considering how harsh the backlash has been over the endings, it's still possible they'll release new endings via DLC. He didn't state they had no intention of doing that, and he DID state they were keeping the fan reaction over the ending in mind.

And if they do release new endings, then Indoctrination theory would make it quite easy to do so.

I will admit his statement makes it seem less likely that the Indoctrination theory was their plan all along, though. Which is quite depressing as it relates to their writing competency.


How could the creators who developed this expansive universe allow so many holes to puncture through what they created? It just makes no sense, but then again, we might all just have a case of wishful thinking.

Either way, I'm depressed again. :crying:

#15813
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MysticBinary82 wrote...

KujaTheDarkOne2 wrote...

MysticBinary82 wrote...

JelDeRebeI wrote...

MysticBinary82 wrote...

Noob451 wrote...

Mallissin wrote...

So long as it involves me killing a few more Reapers, I'm on board.

Oh, and little blue babies.

Kill Reapers, make babies.


I want to retire on Rannoch


Me rebuilding Earth with Kaidan.


You mean repopulating


That is highly unlikely even in the futur to male can't have babies.


Can you romance Kaiden if you're a MaleShep?


Yes and it is realy nicely done.


That's so cool! I had no idea! Kaiden is no longer alive in my MaleShep's game, but alive in my FemShep's. I was super sad to shoot him down after he confessed his love to me. :/

So I'm glad he had a happy romance with you in an alternate universe! :D

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KujaTheDarkOne2 wrote...

GavinUK86 wrote...

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

The statement doesn't conferm anything.
Go back to crying in the corner GavinUK86.


oh just shut up.

anyway, sounds like the ending we have is just the endings. 

not the last of shepard obviously just means there is more dlc. set before your attack on cerberus. like the save the game loads after you finish.

i still hope there is some way they can explain more about the endings but as far as i can tell there wont be.


Considering how harsh the backlash has been over the endings, it's still possible they'll release new endings via DLC. He didn't state they had no intention of doing that, and he DID state they were keeping the fan reaction over the ending in mind.

And if they do release new endings, then Indoctrination theory would make it quite easy to do so.

I will admit his statement makes it seem less likely that the Indoctrination theory was their plan all along, though. Which is quite depressing as it relates to their writing competency.

^this
And he can stick his upcomming DLCs where no sun is shining. I am not buying. I did buy all ME2 DLCs but this time I will not give a ****. I hope the majority will do the same.

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njfluffy19 wrote...

KujaTheDarkOne2 wrote...


Considering how harsh the backlash has been over the endings, it's still possible they'll release new endings via DLC. He didn't state they had no intention of doing that, and he DID state they were keeping the fan reaction over the ending in mind.

And if they do release new endings, then Indoctrination theory would make it quite easy to do so.

I will admit his statement makes it seem less likely that the Indoctrination theory was their plan all along, though. Which is quite depressing as it relates to their writing competency.


How could the creators who developed this expansive universe allow so many holes to puncture through what they created? It just makes no sense, but then again, we might all just have a case of wishful thinking.

Either way, I'm depressed again. :crying:


Just Hold The Line!! Japenese reinforcment are coming!!

#15816
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byne wrote...

MatthewGold wrote...

http://social.biowar.../index/10089946

"But we also recognize that some of our most passionate fans needed more closure, more answers, and more time to say goodbye to their stories—and these comments are equally valid. Player feedback such as this has always been an essential ingredient in the development of the series."


Oh boy, just what I wanted. A statement linking to two articles praising the ending, none critical of it, and implying its only some of the most passionate fans who want more closure.

Bioware, I dont want more closure. I'd settle for just any closure at all, but I didnt get even that.


That wording really irked me too. :/

#15817
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Valk72 wrote...

njfluffy19 wrote...

KujaTheDarkOne2 wrote...


Considering how harsh the backlash has been over the endings, it's still possible they'll release new endings via DLC. He didn't state they had no intention of doing that, and he DID state they were keeping the fan reaction over the ending in mind.

And if they do release new endings, then Indoctrination theory would make it quite easy to do so.

I will admit his statement makes it seem less likely that the Indoctrination theory was their plan all along, though. Which is quite depressing as it relates to their writing competency.


How could the creators who developed this expansive universe allow so many holes to puncture through what they created? It just makes no sense, but then again, we might all just have a case of wishful thinking.

Either way, I'm depressed again. :crying:


Just Hold The Line!! Japenese reinforcment are coming!!


*lip quiver* OK. :crying:

Modifié par njfluffy19, 17 mars 2012 - 02:00 .


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Gyspy Jive wrote...

So, I was reading on a guide for ME3, and read this:

"If you choose the ending where Shepard destroys the Reapers, EDI dies along with all other synthetic life. However, if either of the other endings are picked, EDI will emerge from the crashed Normandy with Joker if Shepard encouraged them to be together."

Does that show that it really could all be just a hallucination? All of it an attempt to indoctrinate, to "assume control" of Shepard? Or does it go against the indoctrrination theory with EDI dying if her and Joker are not encouraged to be together? 


This isn't correct. EDI will still exit in a destroy ending, as long as she was one of the two companions chosen to accompany you on your final run.

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Im sick of getting the Stupid sly comments with smiley faces on twitter. Either we are right, or you can just come out and say "no your wrong, that is the ending"

Seriously your stringing alot of people along. It gets frustrating.

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DangerSandler wrote...

Michael Gamble on Twitter just now (referring to content in the works) "But you won't know what we are making until we're good and ready to talk about it! ;)"

Oh, we already know: MULTIPLAYER ****. 

#15821
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byne wrote...

Hopefully Bioware will realize that the endings have made any DLC that doesnt address the endings irrelevant. Why would I want to help Aria take back Omega, ultimately resulting in stranding her on a space station with no way to get supplies after the Relays explode?

Why would I want to do any kind of DLC to improve the state of the galaxy and/or galactic relations, will all my work will be rendered pointless with no Relays?


If the message still hasn't gotten through to them, hopefully it will when hardly anyone buys their 'before the ending' DLC.

Because I can't help but think the majority, myself included, feels exactly as you do. What's the point of extra stuff happening before the ending, when it all ends so terribly for everyone in the galaxy?

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njfluffy19 wrote...

Valk72 wrote...

njfluffy19 wrote...

KujaTheDarkOne2 wrote...


Considering how harsh the backlash has been over the endings, it's still possible they'll release new endings via DLC. He didn't state they had no intention of doing that, and he DID state they were keeping the fan reaction over the ending in mind.

And if they do release new endings, then Indoctrination theory would make it quite easy to do so.

I will admit his statement makes it seem less likely that the Indoctrination theory was their plan all along, though. Which is quite depressing as it relates to their writing competency.


How could the creators who developed this expansive universe allow so many holes to puncture through what they created? It just makes no sense, but then again, we might all just have a case of wishful thinking.

Either way, I'm depressed again. :crying:


Just Hold The Line!! Japenese reinforcment are coming!!


*lip quiver* OK. :crying:

IF YOU GIVE UP HOPE NOW BIOWARE AKA REAPERS HAVE WON. WE WILL HOLD THE LINE WE DEMAND BETTER ENDINGS

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I don't have anything to add other than two things:

1.) All of you, pat yourselves on the back. OUR theory, as a community, makes sense of this slipshod ending of BioWare's. WE nailed it.

2.) HOLD THE LINE. Do not give in. Public relations WANTS you all to get bitter. Don't. Be firm, be strong, and continue to be smart. Don't get angry so they can dismiss us as whiny. Be a true Mass Effect fan. That's all.

#15824
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njfluffy19 wrote...

KujaTheDarkOne2 wrote...


Considering how harsh the backlash has been over the endings, it's still possible they'll release new endings via DLC. He didn't state they had no intention of doing that, and he DID state they were keeping the fan reaction over the ending in mind.

And if they do release new endings, then Indoctrination theory would make it quite easy to do so.

I will admit his statement makes it seem less likely that the Indoctrination theory was their plan all along, though. Which is quite depressing as it relates to their writing competency.


How could the creators who developed this expansive universe allow so many holes to puncture through what they created? It just makes no sense, but then again, we might all just have a case of wishful thinking.

Either way, I'm depressed again. :crying:


I genuinely don't understand how that mess of an ending could be considered a decent one by any of their writers. So many holes, the entire universe they'd created destroyed by the loss of the relays, "we kill you to prevent you from making things that would kill you". Just all of it, besides some of the Illusive Man/Anderson/Shepard stuff was absolutely horrible writing. How could they think otherwise, with all the quality they'd written before? I just don't know. :(

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Thanks everyone for your thoughts.
I wonder how much influence we have in threads like this...

We better not just get DLC that is random, i.e. Aria with the Omega situation. If so Bioware/EA can count me out.

It's an extended/fixed ending or nothing for me. I wouldn't see the point playing anymore Mass Effect if the ending stays the same.