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[GunMoth]

Kind of upsetting news, though it could just be my incompitence:

The "badending" TIM pillar from the catalyst.. I just found the actual object with that file name. Its a lighting pack (NOT the TIM pillar. And I dont see the BadEnding name anywhere). I could be viewing the lighting pack OF that object though. I'm a bit confused as to how most of this works. @_@

Funny / cute though: Most of the lighting / texture packs with Jack in them have the file name "OmgJck"

Modifié par GunMoth, 17 mars 2012 - 03:29 .

[KujaTheDarkOne2]

byne wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Cancer Puppet wrote...

If the ending is a hallucination, and there's going to be a DLC, free or paid, then Bioware has cheated everyone who bought the game. Why? Because it will mean that they've sold an incomplete product. Not everyone has an internet connection, so not everyone could receive the "true" ending, either.

Sorry, but as bad as the ending is, I don't believe that Bioware would try to pull that crap. It's a little too much.

Yet, the main argument about the endings is that they are lacking in that feeling of completion and closure.  

So ****ed if you do, ****ed if you don't?

I understand the issue with internet connections (though that doesn't seem to be a problem for anyone on here, obviously).  And I also believe this to be one of the worst business moves regarding a major franchise in this industry. 

But this is at the point of Fallout 3, which the added ending was very successful.  Some people will refuse to download because of personal reasons, and some because they won't be able to of course, but the majority not only have the ability to access it, but also are demanding it.  

Except, even with Fallout 3, sure, my Lone Wanderer died, but she died saving the Wasteland in a way that made sense.

I didnt somehow permanently shut down all trade routes, trap people in certain towns while their families are in other towns unable to ever contact them again, or anything like that.

I also didnt use Wasteland Magic to make everyone part ghoul or anything silly like that.

The ending made some degree of sense, and even had an epilogue showing that everything was looking bright for the Capital Wasteland.

Mass Effect 3's end is like if you got to the end of Fallout 3, and the narrator was like "War. Lets change it."

Thats not what the series is about.

Actually, an end to Fallout 3 that was on Mass Effect 3's level would be as follows: "Hi. I'm a representation of your dead father made of light or a hologram or something - it's not really relevant. But you know how you came here to purify the water? Well the water being radiated is actually something we kept this way on purpose. If it's made pure again, then society will just progress to the point that it ends up radiating it again. So we kept it radiated to prevent you from making it radiated again.

Also, you can purify it if you want, but the purified water would kill some people who have adapted to drinking radiated water. And you're not a murderer, right? So I'll tell you what: we've got two other options. You can control the water, or you can meld with the water."

"That doesn't even make sense."

"Jump into the radiated water, and you will dissolve, and make the water drinkable to everyone! It'll be sort of radiated but sort of pure!"

"You're not even trying to make sense anymore."

"Also all the cars in the world will explode, regardless of the choice you make."

[byne]

KujaTheDarkOne2 wrote...

byne wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Cancer Puppet wrote...

If the ending is a hallucination, and there's going to be a DLC, free or paid, then Bioware has cheated everyone who bought the game. Why? Because it will mean that they've sold an incomplete product. Not everyone has an internet connection, so not everyone could receive the "true" ending, either.

Sorry, but as bad as the ending is, I don't believe that Bioware would try to pull that crap. It's a little too much.

Yet, the main argument about the endings is that they are lacking in that feeling of completion and closure.  

So ****ed if you do, ****ed if you don't?

I understand the issue with internet connections (though that doesn't seem to be a problem for anyone on here, obviously).  And I also believe this to be one of the worst business moves regarding a major franchise in this industry. 

But this is at the point of Fallout 3, which the added ending was very successful.  Some people will refuse to download because of personal reasons, and some because they won't be able to of course, but the majority not only have the ability to access it, but also are demanding it.  

Except, even with Fallout 3, sure, my Lone Wanderer died, but she died saving the Wasteland in a way that made sense.

I didnt somehow permanently shut down all trade routes, trap people in certain towns while their families are in other towns unable to ever contact them again, or anything like that.

I also didnt use Wasteland Magic to make everyone part ghoul or anything silly like that.

The ending made some degree of sense, and even had an epilogue showing that everything was looking bright for the Capital Wasteland.

Mass Effect 3's end is like if you got to the end of Fallout 3, and the narrator was like "War. Lets change it."

Thats not what the series is about.

Actually, an end to Fallout 3 that was on Mass Effect 3's level would be as follows: "Hi. I'm a representation of your dead father made of light or a hologram or something - it's not really relevant. But you know how you came here to purify the water? Well the water being radiated is actually something we kept this way on purpose. If it's made pure again, then society will just progress to the point that it ends up radiating it again. So we kept it radiated to prevent you from making it radiated again.

Also, you can purify it if you want, but the purified water would kill some people who have adapted to drinking radiated water. And you're not a murderer, right? So I'll tell you what: we've got two other options. You can control the water, or you can meld with the water."

"That doesn't even make sense."

"Jump into the radiated water, and you will dissolve, and make the water drinkable to everyone! It'll be sort of radiated but sort of pure!"

"You're not even trying to make sense anymore."

"Also all the cars in the world will explode, regardless of the choice you make."

That made me lol pretty hard.

Joke's on HoloDad though, I blow up all the cars I come across anyways, because explosions are fun.

[musicaleCA]

Rifneno wrote...
My father's still pissed that they cancelled MASH and the man has half a dozen 3G devices.  If people don't have internet, they should probably hop back in the time machine and get out of 1997.  The PC version flat out states that internet connection is a requirement.  The console versions have about a paragraph babbling about needing online to access multiplayer and bonus content.  And frankly who doesn't have even the option to connect their consoles to the Internet?  The only people I know that can't get their consoles online when they want are ones that have mod chips.  And **** them.  With a krogan.

Whle growing up in a rural Canadian town, I only had dial-up. The only way to get high-speed until I was 15...wasn't. Then to get it I'd have to lug the entire goddamn system to town, a good twenty minute drive away. When all was said and done, to get a 1GB download could take upward of 3 hours of my time.

The wording on the box, unfortunately, could be pretty easily interpreted as an internet connection being only required for activation and multiplayer plus bonus content, not to get the complete game. I don't think anyone would think of the true ending as "bonus content". In any event, it'd be a case where it'd be entirely legal to crack the copy-protection on the game if that's what it takes to access it. At least it would here in Canada. Consumer protection laws would easily alow it (until bill C-11 passes; then we're all hooped and won't be able to circumvent copy protection that prevents us from accessing data we paid for).

[Lugaidster]

byne wrote...

Lugaidster wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

VanDex wrote...

So the latest Casey Hudson interview basically states that the existing endings are valid and there's nothing beyond them, right?

No.  That was not stated.  And even if it were, the endings can be what they are with the background still being this theory.  Nowhere does it state that the endings are literally what they are and appear to be, that there is no shenanigans going on behind them.

This is why sometimes I wish devs keep quiet until they can actaully say something in these situations.

I completely agree on the fact that this theory fixes most of the non-sense behind the ending. But it doesn't fix the lack of closure without a DLC. If there were no plans for a DLC, whatever comes later is an afterthough. That's why I feel disappointed. I feel that this theory is the only thing valid out there, it'd be stupid otherwise, but without closure, it's still a bad ending. 

But this theory at the very least leaves open the possibility of closure, something none of the current endings do.

Sure it opens it. It doesn't change the fact that if there was no closure planned, it'd still be a bad ending. That's all I'm saying. I'm not disproving this theory, I'm just making sense of what could come next, this theory true or false.

I just think that Bioware is letting us in gently on the fact that this end was what they planned (Indoc theory or not). As each piece of the puzzle is released, some just stop the complains and go. Several of my friends already said, whatever... their loss. Imagine how it would go if they said upfront "the end is this, nothing comes after it, just before". Everyone would rage like mad and scream and yell. So yeah... They won't let us know until the rage has died down a bit.

As I said, if there was no plan for a closure DLC, whatever comes is an afterthough. To me a retcon would be worse than what we got. I'll wait though, but it does make me feel disappointed that they wanted this to be it (again, indoc theory or not, I'm talking about a possible DLC).

[MaroonMoore93]

Casey Hudson spoke...
So where do we go from here? Throughout the next year, we will support Mass Effect 3 by working on new  content.  And we’ll keep listening, because your insights and constructive feedback will help determine what that content should be. This is not the last you’ll hear of Commander Shepard.  

Even if this does completely go against what he said earlier(ME3 will end Shepard's story in the Mass Effect universe), I'll still be happy. Although that "throughout the next year" part has me worried. Unless the addition is 15+ hours of epic FUHARBY!! Then I'm happy.

Also, worst case scenario for a patch-

Kid: Tell me another story about The Shepard.

Stargazer: Did you buy the DLC? 

Kid:...No... 

Stargazer: Go to bed.

Modifié par MaroonMoore93, 17 mars 2012 - 03:39 .

[Kate815]

KujaTheDarkOne2 wrote...

byne wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Cancer Puppet wrote...

If the ending is a hallucination, and there's going to be a DLC, free or paid, then Bioware has cheated everyone who bought the game. Why? Because it will mean that they've sold an incomplete product. Not everyone has an internet connection, so not everyone could receive the "true" ending, either.

Sorry, but as bad as the ending is, I don't believe that Bioware would try to pull that crap. It's a little too much.

Yet, the main argument about the endings is that they are lacking in that feeling of completion and closure.  

So ****ed if you do, ****ed if you don't?

I understand the issue with internet connections (though that doesn't seem to be a problem for anyone on here, obviously).  And I also believe this to be one of the worst business moves regarding a major franchise in this industry. 

But this is at the point of Fallout 3, which the added ending was very successful.  Some people will refuse to download because of personal reasons, and some because they won't be able to of course, but the majority not only have the ability to access it, but also are demanding it.  

Except, even with Fallout 3, sure, my Lone Wanderer died, but she died saving the Wasteland in a way that made sense.

I didnt somehow permanently shut down all trade routes, trap people in certain towns while their families are in other towns unable to ever contact them again, or anything like that.

I also didnt use Wasteland Magic to make everyone part ghoul or anything silly like that.

The ending made some degree of sense, and even had an epilogue showing that everything was looking bright for the Capital Wasteland.

Mass Effect 3's end is like if you got to the end of Fallout 3, and the narrator was like "War. Lets change it."

Thats not what the series is about.

Actually, an end to Fallout 3 that was on Mass Effect 3's level would be as follows: "Hi. I'm a representation of your dead father made of light or a hologram or something - it's not really relevant. But you know how you came here to purify the water? Well the water being radiated is actually something we kept this way on purpose. If it's made pure again, then society will just progress to the point that it ends up radiating it again. So we kept it radiated to prevent you from making it radiated again.

Also, you can purify it if you want, but the purified water would kill some people who have adapted to drinking radiated water. And you're not a murderer, right? So I'll tell you what: we've got two other options. You can control the water, or you can meld with the water."

"That doesn't even make sense."

"Jump into the radiated water, and you will dissolve, and make the water drinkable to everyone! It'll be sort of radiated but sort of pure!"

"You're not even trying to make sense anymore."

"Also all the cars in the world will explode, regardless of the choice you make."

I love this!!!

[KujaTheDarkOne2]

byne wrote...

KujaTheDarkOne2 wrote...

byne wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Cancer Puppet wrote...

If the ending is a hallucination, and there's going to be a DLC, free or paid, then Bioware has cheated everyone who bought the game. Why? Because it will mean that they've sold an incomplete product. Not everyone has an internet connection, so not everyone could receive the "true" ending, either.

Sorry, but as bad as the ending is, I don't believe that Bioware would try to pull that crap. It's a little too much.

Yet, the main argument about the endings is that they are lacking in that feeling of completion and closure.  

So ****ed if you do, ****ed if you don't?

I understand the issue with internet connections (though that doesn't seem to be a problem for anyone on here, obviously).  And I also believe this to be one of the worst business moves regarding a major franchise in this industry. 

But this is at the point of Fallout 3, which the added ending was very successful.  Some people will refuse to download because of personal reasons, and some because they won't be able to of course, but the majority not only have the ability to access it, but also are demanding it.  

Except, even with Fallout 3, sure, my Lone Wanderer died, but she died saving the Wasteland in a way that made sense.

I didnt somehow permanently shut down all trade routes, trap people in certain towns while their families are in other towns unable to ever contact them again, or anything like that.

I also didnt use Wasteland Magic to make everyone part ghoul or anything silly like that.

The ending made some degree of sense, and even had an epilogue showing that everything was looking bright for the Capital Wasteland.

Mass Effect 3's end is like if you got to the end of Fallout 3, and the narrator was like "War. Lets change it."

Thats not what the series is about.

Actually, an end to Fallout 3 that was on Mass Effect 3's level would be as follows: "Hi. I'm a representation of your dead father made of light or a hologram or something - it's not really relevant. But you know how you came here to purify the water? Well the water being radiated is actually something we kept this way on purpose. If it's made pure again, then society will just progress to the point that it ends up radiating it again. So we kept it radiated to prevent you from making it radiated again.

Also, you can purify it if you want, but the purified water would kill some people who have adapted to drinking radiated water. And you're not a murderer, right? So I'll tell you what: we've got two other options. You can control the water, or you can meld with the water."

"That doesn't even make sense."

"Jump into the radiated water, and you will dissolve, and make the water drinkable to everyone! It'll be sort of radiated but sort of pure!"

"You're not even trying to make sense anymore."

"Also all the cars in the world will explode, regardless of the choice you make."

That made me lol pretty hard.

Joke's on HoloDad though, I blow up all the cars I come across anyways, because explosions are fun.

I was typing it, and at one point I was like "is this even funny anymore, or is it too ridiculous?" And then I read over what I had and made myself chuckle and just went for it. XD

Explosions are so fun. At least when they're cars that you're shooting at. Not as much when they're caused by a red, green or blue burst of energy and are destroying the ability for a fictional universe to properly function.

[Gudmoore]

Was going over the Indoctrination Video again - www.youtube.com/watch

A second Reaper growl occurs that the video maker doesn't address.

Around 06:07 just prior to TIM yelling, "NO!" and forcing Anderson to the ground. Sounds like it was growling regarding Shepard's response. Still resisting Indoctrination and it's getting upset.

Someone mind checking to see if this is true in the actual in-game scene?

Modifié par Gudmoore, 17 mars 2012 - 03:44 .

[njfluffy19]

Indoctrination, go!

[musicaleCA]

Totally Not Swaggacide wrote...

Even if this wasn't Biowares plan I say they steal the idea and make it their own.
Greedy EA gets more money
We get the endings we want
Sounds good to me

Making us pay for it would be corporate suicide, for both BioWare and EA. If they pulled a stunt like that, even people who don't care about ME (or games for that matter) would hear about it. It'd be akin to selling a 7 knife set, bringing it home, finding only six, then being told you need to pay more for the chef's knife. Or going to a theatre to watch star wars and the cut-off the screen just before the mission to attack the Death Star, then demand more money if you want to see the rest.

I trust the indoc theory to be likely correct. Why? Because ending such a successful franchise in such a terrible manner would be terrible, terrible business. Capitalism will be our salvation. (I can hear Marx turning in his grave.)

Modifié par musicaleCA, 17 mars 2012 - 03:48 .

[Lugaidster]

musicaleCA wrote...

Totally Not Swaggacide wrote...

Even if this wasn't Biowares plan I say they steal the idea and make it their own.
Greedy EA gets more money
We get the endings we want
Sounds good to me

Making us pay for it would be corporate suicide, for both BioWare and EA. If they pulled a stunt like that, even people who don't care about ME would hear about it.

I trust the indoc theory to be likely correct. Why? Because ending such a successful franchise in such a terrible manner would be terrible, terrible business. Capitalism will be our salvation. (I can hear Marx turning in his grave.)

A soulless end is as bad as a stupid end. Making an ending DLC for the sake of corporate safety would be stupid IMO.

[Leonia]

I've got to stop reading this thread. I actually dreamt last night that I was being indoctrinated :/

[KujaTheDarkOne2]

Lugaidster wrote...

musicaleCA wrote...

Totally Not Swaggacide wrote...

Even if this wasn't Biowares plan I say they steal the idea and make it their own.
Greedy EA gets more money
We get the endings we want
Sounds good to me

Making us pay for it would be corporate suicide, for both BioWare and EA. If they pulled a stunt like that, even people who don't care about ME would hear about it.

I trust the indoc theory to be likely correct. Why? Because ending such a successful franchise in such a terrible manner would be terrible, terrible business. Capitalism will be our salvation. (I can hear Marx turning in his grave.)

A soulless end is as bad as a stupid end. Making an ending DLC for the sake of corporate safety would be stupid IMO.

A soulless end? Yes, that would be just as bad. But if Bioware provided us a crappy end to replace our crappy end, they wouldn't be doing much to ensure corporate safety, huh?

I'm pretty sure that if they released ending DLC, they would make sure it's good. They either took a risk and made a purposely ambiguous ending so people could interpret it however they chose, or they actually had the Indoctrination theory in mind. Either way, they know people do not like the ending as it is, and people have been giving them plenty of reasons why it's so disliked. To think that they wouldn't be keeping the criticism in mind before they release any DLC is a bit absurd.

[musicaleCA]

Lugaidster wrote...

musicaleCA wrote...

Totally Not Swaggacide wrote...

Even if this wasn't Biowares plan I say they steal the idea and make it their own.
Greedy EA gets more money
We get the endings we want
Sounds good to me

Making us pay for it would be corporate suicide, for both BioWare and EA. If they pulled a stunt like that, even people who don't care about ME would hear about it.

I trust the indoc theory to be likely correct. Why? Because ending such a successful franchise in such a terrible manner would be terrible, terrible business. Capitalism will be our salvation. (I can hear Marx turning in his grave.)

A soulless end is as bad as a stupid end. Making an ending DLC for the sake of corporate safety would be stupid IMO.

I agree (sorry for editing my post on you btw), but they aren't mutually exclusive. Both could be achieved. I think the crux is whether or not we need to pay for it. If we do, corporate suicide no matter how good it is. If it's free, even a modderately better ending might be lauded. ... Or at least stop the flames.

[Roll Equals Cute]

New York still holding the line. Still passionate, remaining civil, and hopeful for something positive (ending-wise) to come out of all this.

[Zokopops]

As the only thing that still makes sense, i refuse to abndon thee........indoc theory 4 ever...

[KujaTheDarkOne2]

leonia42 wrote...

I've got to stop reading this thread. I actually dreamt last night that I was being indoctrinated :/

Did you escape the Indoctrination and go on to destroy the Reapers, your best friend and perhaps love interest at your side?

[Leonia]

KujaTheDarkOne2 wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

I've got to stop reading this thread. I actually dreamt last night that I was being indoctrinated :/

Did you escape the Indoctrination and go on to destroy the Reapers, your best friend and perhaps love interest at your side?

No I realised the Reaper growling noises were just my husband snoring next to me and woke up.

[KujaTheDarkOne2]

musicaleCA wrote...

Lugaidster wrote...

musicaleCA wrote...

Totally Not Swaggacide wrote...

Even if this wasn't Biowares plan I say they steal the idea and make it their own.
Greedy EA gets more money
We get the endings we want
Sounds good to me

Making us pay for it would be corporate suicide, for both BioWare and EA. If they pulled a stunt like that, even people who don't care about ME would hear about it.

I trust the indoc theory to be likely correct. Why? Because ending such a successful franchise in such a terrible manner would be terrible, terrible business. Capitalism will be our salvation. (I can hear Marx turning in his grave.)

A soulless end is as bad as a stupid end. Making an ending DLC for the sake of corporate safety would be stupid IMO.

I agree (sorry for editing my post on you btw), but they aren't mutually exclusive. Both could be achieved. I think the crux is whether or not we need to pay for it. If we do, corporate suicide no matter how good it is. If it's free, even a modderately better ending might be lauded. ... Or at least stop the flames.

If it's not free, I don't think it'd be corporate suicide. A massive wound, perhaps one they never completely recover from? Yes. But I think they'll be able to continue as long as we get ending DLC, even if it's not free.

They'd be much better off making it free, though.

[njfluffy19]

leonia42 wrote...

KujaTheDarkOne2 wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

I've got to stop reading this thread. I actually dreamt last night that I was being indoctrinated :/

Did you escape the Indoctrination and go on to destroy the Reapers, your best friend and perhaps love interest at your side?

No I realised the Reaper growling noises were just my husband snoring next to me and woke up.

Rofl. I wouldn't want to wake up.

[KujaTheDarkOne2]

leonia42 wrote...

KujaTheDarkOne2 wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

I've got to stop reading this thread. I actually dreamt last night that I was being indoctrinated :/

Did you escape the Indoctrination and go on to destroy the Reapers, your best friend and perhaps love interest at your side?

No I realised the Reaper growling noises were just my husband snoring next to me and woke up.

Aw. Well at least you didn't actually get Indoctrinated, eh?

[Lugaidster]

Well, I don't know... I had my hopes high before and they got shattered. I'm not holding it up now. Sticking by because it's fun to see this theories unravel. My faith for a good ME3 end died 9 days ago...

[Sl4sh3r]

Lugaidster wrote...

Well, I don't know... I had my hopes high before and they got shattered. I'm not holding it up now. Sticking by because it's fun to see this theories unravel. My faith for a good ME3 end died 9 days ago...

If your hopes got shattered by what "Casey" said, just remember...

That is EA's PR department behind the "Casey Hudson" name.

http://social.biowar...ndex/10084349/1

Read that and it will make you feel better.

Hold the line.

[MrChowderClam]

Gudmoore wrote...

Was going over the Indoctrination Video again - www.youtube.com/watch

A second Reaper growl occurs that the video maker doesn't address.

Around 06:07 just prior to TIM yelling, "NO!" and forcing Anderson to the ground. Sounds like it was growling regarding Shepard's response. Still resisting Indoctrination and it's getting upset.

Someone mind checking to see if this is true in the actual in-game scene?

Yes, iirc, there is a growl accompanied every time the "dark threads" come into the screen.

Also, it's interesting to note that TIM walks away from the control panel after he shoots shep, even though he says that he will try to control the reapers via the crucible.

Modifié par MrChowderClam, 17 mars 2012 - 04:03 .