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[KujaTheDarkOne2]

Niemack Saarinen wrote...

KujaTheDarkOne2 wrote...

Niemack Saarinen wrote...

Ive lost faith in bioware, the fact that this was there real ending.... meh..

That is not yet proven to be a fact. At this point it's looking fairly likely, but there is still some hope that it as not.

And regardless, Indoctrination theory makes more sense anyway, and still works, even if it wasn't their actual plan. Them making it canon would also make it easier (or indeed possible, since it's impossible with those endings being literal) to add more to the end.

Oh trust me i believe fully in the indoc theory.. but with chris's latest post it just seems they lost touch with the fanbase completely.  Indoc is literally the ONLY way you can explain this ending,  the plot holes and lore errors are compeltely rediculous to be a "Real" ending..  but i fear they're just going to end it like this,  'whatever loyal fanbase this is the ending, sorry if you didnt like it but its the direction we wanted (artsy)   too bad you spent 80$ on a CE edition only to be "Massively" disapointed.    They have time to win us back but i fear they wont- they'll do DLC that involves story lines within the "Main" ME3 story but totally ignore the ending, theres no motivation for me the consumer to purchase any DLC's if i know the ending is the ending and everything i do in the meantime within the base game and "DLCs" is all in vain and still leads to the inevitable crap ending.  

It's possible they have. I dearly hope it isn't so. Because yeah, this theory is the only thing that makes sense.

But if they do dare to release DLC that takes place before the ending before they do anything involving the end, I think they'll notice a very disappointing amount of sales. Because many, many people feel just like you, and indeed I do about that. If it ultimately leads to that end, then what's the point?

[GunMoth]

KujaTheDarkOne2 wrote...

GunMoth wrote...

dagongent2 wrote...

I'm quickly growing exhausted with BW. When I finished the end of Mass Effect 3, I finished with Synthesis. (with the Indoc Theory though, that's not good?) When I had first heard about this Indoc Theory, I had gotten so excited that I stayed for hours and read this thread. (I couldn't post because my new account had recently been made.) But now, I feel hopeless and exhausted. BW better find a solution fast before I give up. :/

I've been keeping an eye out for the funny light hearted things going on in the community as well as thinking about all of the other things I enjoyed in the game. (Marauder Shields. Finding out that Troy Baker did the voice acting for Kai Leng. Little fun facts.)

Honestly, I cried. So did many of my friends who played. (My friend cried when Mordin died. I cried at the friendship Liara Goodbye scene. My other friend cried when Anderson died next to him.) 

There was a lot of amazing things in ME3. It wasn't perfect, but it was pretty powerful. 
I think thats why many of us fight so hard for a new ending. Because the game itself would have been a real pivitol point in the gaming industry if it really delivered the ending well enough. 

This. Just all of this. Even if the ending is never changed, the rest of the game is amazing, and the ending doesn't change that.

Hopefully we'll have new/extended endings soon, so that the whole thing is great, instead of being awful in the very end.

I think that is also why I believe in the indoctrination theory. How could a game that felt so seemless and emotionally powerful have such a poor delivery on literally the last 10 minutes of the game.

I've been thinking of books, films, movies etc. that behaved in the same way. The only thing that REALLY comes to mind is the new version of Battlestar Galactica. Though there was symbolism and references the whole time.

I feel ME3 had a genre shift and went from being a military drama to a ambigous interperative mess during the last scene. 

How?!

[PicdiCr80]

Anyone else notice [Didn't read all the thread] that when you go up the beam to the citadel it's exactly like going up the beam where you crawl on the floor and try to reach the console? This ties in with the theory about how all of the ending premises look familiar.

If you ask me, this is what is happening:

Shepard is moving, alive, still physically functional, but his mind isn't where it should be. He's trying to fight off indoctrination to reach the citadel and activate the crucible, so his mind percieves this as physical ailment, leading to dreams of said physical stress while reaching the beam. Then as we fight through, we finally reach the beam when we beam up (a "second time") before getting to the console.

The kid is then another dream, a representation of indoctrination if you ask me, and then we make our decision on what to do, the "paragon" which is obviously being like Illusive Man, and it's paragon because we are being indoctrinated...the "grey" area, the synthesis, which also has a beam similar to what we've been going through [other beams] which is less what the Reapers want, but good enough...or destroy them.

Anyway, take what you will from this, I'm shattered.

P.S, wanna' say I'm proud to say I managed to get the "best" ending + secret ending on my own...I have no where else to brag about this and feel the snobby-elitist need to, excuse that, cheers!

[KujaTheDarkOne2]

keith123456789 wrote...

Niemack Saarinen wrote...

Ive lost faith in bioware, the fact that this was there real ending.... meh..

never lose hope. when shepered lost on Thessia did he lose hope NO when Liara saw her home planet go down did she lose hope HELL NO you step it up or you are dead weight that needs to be cast aside DO YOU UNDER STAND ME

Inspiring words. Let us all be as Shepard and Liara, and never lose hope!

[crazyeye343]

Holding the line is Seattle, Washington

Modifié par crazyeye343, 17 mars 2012 - 05:37 .

[Niemack Saarinen]

KujaTheDarkOne2 wrote...
It's possible they have. I dearly hope it isn't so. Because yeah, this theory is the only thing that makes sense.

But if they do dare to release DLC that takes place before the ending before they do anything involving the end, I think they'll notice a very disappointing amount of sales. Because many, many people feel just like you, and indeed I do about that. If it ultimately leads to that end, then what's the point?

Yeahh.. no point.. just depression on replaying it  completely again to see the ending.  no motivation what so ever... bah..   You might see a few characters and have them re-fleshed out.. but it doesnt matter in the end.



*Edit. i want my damn blue babies.

Modifié par Niemack Saarinen, 17 mars 2012 - 05:38 .

[dagongent2]

GunMoth wrote...

dagongent2 wrote...

I'm quickly growing exhausted with BW. When I finished the end of Mass Effect 3, I finished with Synthesis. (with the Indoc Theory though, that's not good?) When I had first heard about this Indoc Theory, I had gotten so excited that I stayed for hours and read this thread. (I couldn't post because my new account had recently been made.) But now, I feel hopeless and exhausted. BW better find a solution fast before I give up. :/

I've been keeping an eye out for the funny light hearted things going on in the community as well as thinking about all of the other things I enjoyed in the game. (Marauder Shields. Finding out that Troy Baker did the voice acting for Kai Leng. Little fun facts.)

Honestly, I cried. So did many of my friends who played. (My friend cried when Mordin died. I cried at the friendship Liara Goodbye scene. My other friend cried when Anderson died next to him.) 

There was a lot of amazing things in ME3. It wasn't perfect, but it was pretty powerful. 
I think thats why many of us fight so hard for a new ending. Because the game itself would have been a real pivitol point in the gaming industry if it really delivered the ending well enough. 

Being the weak human I am, I did not want to admit I cried during this game. I did. During the end when Anderson died and Sheperd charged into the Synthesis beam. The music made it more emotional too. But it did not give me any closure, which awakened a little piece of anger inside me. I hope Bioware fixes this somehow that won't cost another dollar from my pocket.

[FLYING GRENADE11]

 

Big Red standing by.

[KaleidoCast]

People4Peace wrote...

KaleidoCast wrote...

k8ee wrote...

KaleidoCast wrote...

Anyone else notice that Shep's idle animation includes what looks like being startled by a sound, then looking for the source? Just something that's been bothering me...

really? I never noticed that... I'll have to check it out. It is different then the ME2 animation then?

Yep, they both have rolling shoulders and shifting about, etc., but they are distinctly different animations. I swear that's what it is, she seems to startle, then looks one way, the other, then back again like she's looking for something. I'll try to find video of it.

Please do because I am really curious about this now.

Thanks.

Ha! Finally found one where you can actually see it. 



at aproximately 1:10. 

[Vaille]

dagongent2 wrote...
The music made it more emotional too. But it did not give me any closure, which awakened a little piece of anger inside me. I hope Bioware fixes this somehow that won't cost another dollar from my pocket.

The same thing happened to me. Bioware fooled me into thinking that the ending was decent for a couple of days, and they used Clint Mansell to do it. 

[Vandicus]

Totally Not Swaggacide wrote...

@Vandicus
I'm not being sarcastic. EA is greedy beyond human belief. I paid for the game so the DLC was not "free"

Many people(including myself) have responded to the "Not free DLC" comment before with sarcasm, namely by listing off many of the free DLCs, such as Firewalker. Plus its idiotic to insist that giving away the ending DLC isn't "free DLC" since that's what everyone means by it. Not to mention your original argument was that any ending DLC would not be free because Bioware never creates post-game content and releases it for free, WHICH IS INCORRECT. There are numerous counterexamples. 

Totally Not Swaggacide wrote...

But something as massive a new ending which includes new graphics, sound, voice, animation is NOT going to be free. Expect to PAY.

 

Please don't change your argument and expect me not to notice. You were not arguing that the "ending dlc with all this new stuff technically doesn't count as free since we bought ME3" you were arguing that we'll have to pay an additional fee for this new content. But as I've said before, there are numerous counterexamples.

Modifié par Vandicus, 17 mars 2012 - 05:42 .

[GunMoth]

Holding the line in California. :U

[Vandicus]

*forums glitch

Modifié par Vandicus, 17 mars 2012 - 05:42 .

[Niemack Saarinen]

Vaille wrote...


The same thing happened to me. Bioware fooled me into thinking that the ending was decent for a couple of days, and they used Clint Mansell to do it. 

Yeah, its like eating chicken McNuggets  with some Beethoven playing in the background. It makes you feel classy and refined like your eating some exotic 3 part meal..but then you realize your eating chicken nuggets and feel robbed of the expierence.

[Totally Not Swaggacide]

@Vandicus
This is me caring about your opinion: Cool story bro

Modifié par Totally Not Swaggacide, 17 mars 2012 - 05:43 .

[Terran235]

I dont know if this has been mentioned, but the biggest clue. No one seems to notice that when he is talking to the little queerboy, HES IN SPACE WITHOUT A HELMET. That's glaring us in the face as much as the reaper codex on indoctrination. Seems like the best clues are the ones that don't seem hidden.

Modifié par Terran235, 17 mars 2012 - 05:43 .

[PlumPaul93]

So has the IT been proven true yet? I was pretty sure it was.

[GunMoth]

That free Witcher 2 DLC that came out is a good example.

[KujaTheDarkOne2]

Niemack Saarinen wrote...

KujaTheDarkOne2 wrote...
It's possible they have. I dearly hope it isn't so. Because yeah, this theory is the only thing that makes sense.

But if they do dare to release DLC that takes place before the ending before they do anything involving the end, I think they'll notice a very disappointing amount of sales. Because many, many people feel just like you, and indeed I do about that. If it ultimately leads to that end, then what's the point?

Yeahh.. no point.. just depression on replaying it  completely again to see the ending.  no motivation what so ever... bah..   You might see a few characters and have them re-fleshed out.. but it doesnt matter in the end.



*Edit. i want my damn blue babies.

I want my blue babies too. So, SO bad.

Modifié par KujaTheDarkOne2, 17 mars 2012 - 05:43 .

[Vaille]

Niemack Saarinen wrote...

Vaille wrote...


The same thing happened to me. Bioware fooled me into thinking that the ending was decent for a couple of days, and they used Clint Mansell to do it. 

Yeah, its like eating chicken McNuggets  with some Beethoven playing in the background. It makes you feel classy and refined like your eating some exotic 3 part meal..but then you realize your eating chicken nuggets and feel robbed of the expierence.

 Yes.

[GunMoth]

Terran235 wrote...

I dont know if this has been mentioned, but the biggest clue. No one seems to notice that when he is talking to the little queerboy, HES IN SPACE WITHOUT A HELMET. That's glaring us in the face as much as the reaper codex on indoctrination. Seems like the best clues are the ones that don't see hidden.

That's actually more of an interperative artistic element. One could assume its some type of field that the citadel is projecting. For example: The docking bay in ME1 has one I believe.

[Terran235]

NO YOU ARE TEH LIES! :'(

[GunMoth]

Terran235 wrote...

NO YOU ARE TEH LIES! :'(

I'm a skeptic who tends to believe in crazy theories at the same time. 
Its like: If someone's athiest and doesn't believe in the afterlife but loves watching those "worlds most haunted places!!11" specials on TV. 

Modifié par GunMoth, 17 mars 2012 - 05:47 .

[KujaTheDarkOne2]

GunMoth wrote...

Terran235 wrote...

NO YOU ARE TEH LIES! :'(

I'm a skeptic who tends to believe in crazy theories at the same time. 
Its like: If someone's athiest and doesn't believe in the afterlife but loves watching those "worlds most haunted places!!11" specials on TV. 

Aren't there a lot of people who do believe in god/s but don't believe in ghosts?

Your analogy confuses me.

[Vandicus]

GunMoth wrote...

That free Witcher 2 DLC that came out is a good example.

Firewalker, Shale, Bring Down the Sky,  Zaeed, Arc Projector, Cerberus Armor and Weapons. Its clear that the person is trolling though, and rather poorly. If one can only evoke a rational and well reasoned response from the recipient of trolling, they should consider a new way to entertain themselves on the net.