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[GunMoth]

KujaTheDarkOne2 wrote...

GunMoth wrote...

Terran235 wrote...

NO YOU ARE TEH LIES! :'(

I'm a skeptic who tends to believe in crazy theories at the same time. 
Its like: If someone's athiest and doesn't believe in the afterlife but loves watching those "worlds most haunted places!!11" specials on TV. 

Aren't there a lot of people who do believe in god/s but don't believe in ghosts?

Your analogy confuses me.

Ghosts would imply some form of afterlife. :U Anyway! Indoctrination theory.

Modifié par GunMoth, 17 mars 2012 - 05:48 .

[dagongent2]

Terran235 wrote...

I dont know if this has been mentioned, but the biggest clue. No one seems to notice that when he is talking to the little queerboy, HES IN SPACE WITHOUT A HELMET. That's glaring us in the face as much as the reaper codex on indoctrination. Seems like the best clues are the ones that don't see hidden.

Honestly, if I was Bioware, I would not include a helmet. To me, that would ruin the atmosphere of the ending (It was bad anyway so it doesn't matter...)

[ragek1001]

What if the last sequence in the game is the actually the  visual manifestation of Shepard fighting Reaper indoctrination? Given that Shepard was being subtlely influenced by the Reapers and their tech since ME1.

1) "Control": After some point, perhaps after the laser hits him Shepard loses the mental battle completely and is controlled by the Reapers. He surrenders his will and he is taken over. This is Paragon/good for the Reapers as their are no more obstacles in their path.

2) "Synthesis": Means Shepard cannot handle the indoctrination and his mind succumbs and his mental health deteriorates causing the destruction of his body. Much like Saren in ME1 who had cybernetic implants, Shepard has synthetic implants- and meets an end similar to Saren. The body collapses annd burns away, leaving dust in its place. And the Reapers remain in power.

3) "Destruction": Shepard overcomes indoctrination by seeing through the deception of the Reapers. After much agonizing choices, he completes the primary objective of all the ME games- he kills all the Reapers. This is bad/ renegade in the Reapers eyes, as one of their potential indoctrinated agents goes against their orders.

[kyg_20X6]

Did I miss something? Everything I've heard is that they did the endings a certain way but now they've seen how the fans have reacted they want to work with them to deliver content that will give them what they want. Jessica's recent forum posts asking for input, calling it a 'collaboration' and asking for specifics on what people want. Talk of how Shepard's story isn't over. Talk of compiling feedback.

It seems to me we've made an impact and they're listening. I don't know where all this dispondency is coming from. Did I miss something?

[KujaTheDarkOne2]

GunMoth wrote...

KujaTheDarkOne2 wrote...

GunMoth wrote...

Terran235 wrote...

NO YOU ARE TEH LIES! :'(

I'm a skeptic who tends to believe in crazy theories at the same time. 
Its like: If someone's athiest and doesn't believe in the afterlife but loves watching those "worlds most haunted places!!11" specials on TV. 

Aren't there a lot of people who do believe in god/s but don't believe in ghosts?

Your analogy confuses me.

Ghosts would imply some form of afterlife. :U Anyway! Indoctrination theory.

But, I mean, athiests don't necessarily not believe in any sort of afterlife. It's mostly the not believing in god/s thing, from what I understand.

But yes, anyway, Indoctrination theory is still sound and is still a good thing for Bioware to use as canon, even if it is not what they originally planned!

Also blue babies. Because I really want them, and I can get 'em via Indoc theory.

[KujaTheDarkOne2]

kyg_20X6 wrote...

Did I miss something? Everything I've heard is that they did the endings a certain way but now they've seen how the fans have reacted they want to work with them to deliver content that will give them what they want. Jessica's recent forum posts asking for input, calling it a 'collaboration' and asking for specifics on what people want. Talk of how Shepard's story isn't over. Talk of compiling feedback.

It seems to me we've made an impact and they're listening. I don't know where all this dispondency is coming from. Did I miss something?

Some people are just easily discouraged.

We all need to hold the dang line!!! What would Shepard do?

[Totally Not Swaggacide]

@ragek1001
I prefer the destroy ending and how you phrased it

[GunMoth]

"I have background in PR, so I'll reiterate everything my more experienced friend here has said, but add one thing.

They very possibly will be looking for ways to provoke people either into silent hopelessness or trying to get you to exhaust yourselves by way of giving them "feedback" over and over again. Marginalization (like saying "some of our most passionate fans") has the double effect of seeming like a provocation, with the goal of making you throw your hands up, Don't let it.

Remain Civil. Remain Steadfast. IMO this is a battle that the gaming industry needs to have, vis a vis the trends developers and publishers have taken in the last few years."

On the PR thread.

[People4Peace]

KujaTheDarkOne2 wrote...

Niemack Saarinen wrote...

KujaTheDarkOne2 wrote...

Niemack Saarinen wrote...

Ive lost faith in bioware, the fact that this was there real ending.... meh..

That is not yet proven to be a fact. At this point it's looking fairly likely, but there is still some hope that it as not.

And regardless, Indoctrination theory makes more sense anyway, and still works, even if it wasn't their actual plan. Them making it canon would also make it easier (or indeed possible, since it's impossible with those endings being literal) to add more to the end.

Oh trust me i believe fully in the indoc theory.. but with chris's latest post it just seems they lost touch with the fanbase completely.  Indoc is literally the ONLY way you can explain this ending,  the plot holes and lore errors are compeltely rediculous to be a "Real" ending..  but i fear they're just going to end it like this,  'whatever loyal fanbase this is the ending, sorry if you didnt like it but its the direction we wanted (artsy)   too bad you spent 80$ on a CE edition only to be "Massively" disapointed.    They have time to win us back but i fear they wont- they'll do DLC that involves story lines within the "Main" ME3 story but totally ignore the ending, theres no motivation for me the consumer to purchase any DLC's if i know the ending is the ending and everything i do in the meantime within the base game and "DLCs" is all in vain and still leads to the inevitable crap ending.  

It's possible they have. I dearly hope it isn't so. Because yeah, this theory is the only thing that makes sense.

But if they do dare to release DLC that takes place before the ending before they do anything involving the end, I think they'll notice a very disappointing amount of sales. Because many, many people feel just like you, and indeed I do about that. If it ultimately leads to that end, then what's the point?

Exactly. I highly doubt or at least I hope that Bioware isn't that stupid to pull something like that. I actually believe Bioware already has additional content for the ending...which we will get via DLC. I know a lot of people don't have hope but what's left if you don't have hope? And I honestly think a lot of evidence points to post-end DLC. Just like a lot of evidence supports the Indoctrination theory. As far as I am concerned that is canon. And Bioware should make it canon if it isn't already because I doubt they could come up with something better nor something that could fix those plot holes...

EDIT: As an atheist, I don't believe in an afterlife. Which is yet another reason why I don't want my Shep to die because she doesn't have a second chance and I know she isn't going to meet Garrus at the bar in "heaven" But maybe if the endings were good I would've let my Shep believe in it for the sake of her relationship

EDIT: And in case I wasn't clear, 99.9% (if not 100% because otherwise they shouldn't call themselves atheists) of all atheists don't believe in a god/deity nor an afterlife. However some agnostics may.

Modifié par People4Peace, 17 mars 2012 - 06:02 .

[Totally Not Swaggacide]

@Vandicus
Shut up really. No one thinks you're smart and I'm not trolling. You're clearly not an intilligent person so I will not give an intilligent response.

This exchange is over.

[KujaTheDarkOne2]

ragek1001 wrote...

What if the last sequence in the game is the actually the  visual manifestation of Shepard fighting Reaper indoctrination? Given that Shepard was being subtlely influenced by the Reapers and their tech since ME1.

1) "Control": After some point, perhaps after the laser hits him Shepard loses the mental battle completely and is controlled by the Reapers. He surrenders his will and he is taken over. This is Paragon/good for the Reapers as their are no more obstacles in their path.

2) "Synthesis": Means Shepard cannot handle the indoctrination and his mind succumbs and his mental health deteriorates causing the destruction of his body. Much like Saren in ME1 who had cybernetic implants, Shepard has synthetic implants- and meets an end similar to Saren. The body collapses annd burns away, leaving dust in its place. And the Reapers remain in power.

3) "Destruction": Shepard overcomes indoctrination by seeing through the deception of the Reapers. After much agonizing choices, he completes the primary objective of all the ME games- he kills all the Reapers. This is bad/ renegade in the Reapers eyes, as one of their potential indoctrinated agents goes against their orders.

I mean, um, yeah. Have you... have you read the OP?

[Vandicus]

We haven't quite established what each of those three purely mental(at least according to our theory) events physically result in. We've actually had some people suggest so that the players won't have to change their decision companions will wake them up, while this series of endings suggests that the players who choose wrong get a "You lose" screen or something equivalent much like sleeping with the Ardat Yakshi companion.

[GunMoth]

Vandicus wrote...

We haven't quite established what each of those three purely mental(at least according to our theory) events physically result in. We've actually had some people suggest so that the players won't have to change their decision companions will wake them up, while this series of endings suggests that the players who choose wrong get a "You lose" screen or something equivalent much like sleeping with the Ardat Yakshi companion.

In the OP: 
2. Choosing to control the Reapers allows them to live. Reapers win. They will still exist.

3. Choosing to combine organic and synthetic life: Reapers win. They will still exist.

4. Choosing to destroy all synthetic life: Reapers loose. Shepard lives. Reapers die. 

[KujaTheDarkOne2]

Vandicus wrote...

We haven't quite established what each of those three purely mental(at least according to our theory) events physically result in. We've actually had some people suggest so that the players won't have to change their decision companions will wake them up, while this series of endings suggests that the players who choose wrong get a "You lose" screen or something equivalent much like sleeping with the Ardat Yakshi companion.

Ah, I see, that makes sense.

That would be slightly disappointing, though. I mean, as crappy as the decisions are, I think it'd be nice if all of them were in some way viable. I think someone suggested many, many pages ago something like you would wake up and keep playing, like you would with the destroy ending, but after doing some stuff, you lose control, as Shepard does the Reaper's will. And then your companions have to stop you or something. Basically, sad/bad ending, but you still get to actually play some more, you know?

[GunMoth]

 OOPS WRONG SECTION. ACTUAL OP:
-Choosing Control - You can not control them, they control you. Shepard says as much to the Illusive Man moments earlier.

-Choosing Synthesis - Allows everyone in the galaxy to be manipulated by Reaper code, like they have done to the Geth multiple times now.

-Choosing Destroy - Breaks the hold the reapers have on Shepard's mind.


Ugh I even responded to the wrong post. Great. I'm getting too sleepy. ;_; 

Modifié par GunMoth, 17 mars 2012 - 06:07 .

[keith123456789]

Let us never forget those who died to ensure victory against the reapers thane mirranda Tali Zora Vas Normandy Legion..... If we let bioware keep these endings there deaths would be in vain. we fight or we die. you can give up but i will not go silently into the night i will fight to the end WHO IS WITH ME

[Terran235]

Miranda died? I dont remember her dying in my playthrough. Is that a different ending?

[KujaTheDarkOne2]

keith123456789 wrote...

Let us never forget those who died to ensure victory against the reapers thane mirranda Tali Zora Vas Normandy Legion..... If we let bioware keep these endings there deaths would be in vain. we fight or we die. you can give up but i will not go silently into the night i will fight to the end WHO IS WITH ME

Miranda and TALI died in your playthrough!? That's so sad (especially Tali)!!!   D:

[kent80082006]

Terran235 wrote...

Miranda died? I dont remember her dying in my playthrough. Is that a different ending?

I think she has to be loyal in order to survive, and you need to persuade her father to let go of Ori

[keith123456789]

KujaTheDarkOne2 wrote...

keith123456789 wrote...

Let us never forget those who died to ensure victory against the reapers thane mirranda Tali Zora Vas Normandy Legion..... If we let bioware keep these endings there deaths would be in vain. we fight or we die. you can give up but i will not go silently into the night i will fight to the end WHO IS WITH ME

Miranda and TALI died in your playthrough!? That's so sad (especially Tali)!!!   D:

ya i did not have enough paragon to save her and i needed the geths firepower so i thought

[Vandicus]

Terran235 wrote...

Miranda died? I dont remember her dying in my playthrough. Is that a different ending?

Miranda can die in suicide mission I suppose, and Tali dies under pro-Geth circumstances if a number of other requirements aren't fufilled.


*EDIT

Kai Leng'd 

Modifié par Vandicus, 17 mars 2012 - 06:11 .

[Terran235]

That sucks. Legion died on mine, it was so beautifully pulled off that i actually loved that scene. I was pro geth with paragon choice.

[KujaTheDarkOne2]

keith123456789 wrote...

KujaTheDarkOne2 wrote...

keith123456789 wrote...

Let us never forget those who died to ensure victory against the reapers thane mirranda Tali Zora Vas Normandy Legion..... If we let bioware keep these endings there deaths would be in vain. we fight or we die. you can give up but i will not go silently into the night i will fight to the end WHO IS WITH ME

Miranda and TALI died in your playthrough!? That's so sad (especially Tali)!!!   D:

ya i did not have enough paragon to save her and i needed the geths firepower so i thought

That's the saddest of times. But to answer your question, I am with you! Their deaths will not be in vain! Specifically Thane and Legion, on my part! Also Mordin!

[Gudmoore]

Seriously peeps, read the OP.

[kent80082006]

Vandicus wrote...

Terran235 wrote...

Miranda died? I dont remember her dying in my playthrough. Is that a different ending?

Miranda can die in suicide mission I suppose, and Tali dies under pro-Geth circumstances if a number of other requirements aren't fufilled.


*EDIT

Kai Leng'd 

Miranda dies when she confronts her father in one of the cerberus missions if she's not loyal back in ME2

Modifié par kent80082006, 17 mars 2012 - 06:15 .